Yep. This season has been god awful by Kansas standards.

Yeah yanno, we were mocked as a #1 seed until tonight....

Just a flat out beat down and tanking of a season.

And that’s not happening no matter what now. Gonna have to work to stay on the 2 line.

3 line is a real possibility.

Harris isn’t even willing to take an open 3 down 8 with 25 seconds left. Yeah, that’s not great.

This program has become stale.

Baffling. Zero pride tonight with everything in the line.

They will fold under the pressure of the big dance.

They’ll be a 1 or 2 seed at the end. Still easily have one of the best resumes going.

I don’t know about folding under pressure but this team just really isn’t that good. It’s probably the worst defensive team in the Self era. They’ve got a small shot in the tournament because it’s a complete crapshoot but it won’t be much more than that.

Clemence was about the only one who gave a shit in that game and actually pushed back during his brief time. The others were willing to get rolled over from opening tip and showed very little effort or fight. Showed all over the embarrassing rebounding and second chance numbers.

Would love it if he started playing Clemence more (especially over Lightfoot who literally gives nothing at all on either end) but the ship has probably sailed on that this year.

All of this.......expect another massacre like the USC game last year in 2nd Rd.

Self hasn’t done a very good job with this squad this season. I know the homers don’t wanna hear it but it’s true lol. The lineup combos are hilariously bad. You wanted to get more athletic but to only trot the same guys out there as last season essentially. Weak.

I can not remember the last time I have been disappointed but this team is a major disappointment this year

Since the threat of NCAA sanctions started hanging over the team they haven’t landed top 10 players like they use to before.

when I was pushing for more playing time for Clemence earlier this year, you told me he wasn’t good enough? McCormack was the better option?

Yeah, that definitely never happened. If you're convinced it did, show your work. This is every post I've made referencing Clemence in this thread (with a few others expressing my distaste for McCormack).


Pre-season optimism on July 6, 2021:
Regarding Clemence being better than everyone thought he would be on November 10, 2021:
Regarding Clemence potentially losing minutes on November 26, 2021: A post blasting McCormack from November 26, 2021 that remains true:
Regarding Lightfoot starting over McCormack on January 3, 2022:

Regarding this being the worst defensive team of the Self era, focusing particularly on the defensive failings of Martin and McCormack in the pick and roll on January 31, 2021:

Agreeing that Clemence should be playing over Lightfoot on February 19, 2022:
On Clemence tonight:

KU made the F4 four years ago, were the best team in the NCAA in 2020, and will be the 1 or 2 seed in the tournament this year with something like 30 wins at the end of the year. If that's a down period for KU, we're definitely spoiled.

I'm not sure anything he would have done would have mattered all that much other than playing Clemence more tbh. The kid's shown flashes of being a very good player when he's been out there and he's not gotten a chance for reasons that are unclear. It's not like he was ever going to bench Ochai, Braun, or Wilson.

As far as the guard position (Harris), Remy has been injured most of the time and then a total disaster defensively at other times to the point that Self can't trust him at all out there and Yesefu is shooting 24% from three and looked lost for half the year.

obviously, not you. Mistaken identity. :thumb:

No problem. My consistent thread with KU bigs this year has been playing Lightfoot not at all and Clemence more while also criticizing McCormack for his usual inconsistencies/flaws (although I still believe he has some value against other big-oriented teams).

Glad I didn’t get to watch the game today. Score looks like it sucked

I cannot wait to get a real natural shooter in here (Gradey Dick) and some real athletes (Zuby & Rice) and length (Udeh Jr). We have all of that coming in next year. Need a transfer PG but everyone knows Harris is still going to get 30 mpg either way.

The sad part is we probably are on probation next year.

There is zero chance we are on probation next year

The biggest problem with this team and why its so inconsistent (IMHO) is because we've tried to replace true guards with wings, mostly because we don't really have a competent alternative. The trio of Harris/Remy/Yesufu have been severely lacking (even if each is for a different reason).

Seems every game I end up envious of our opponent's lead guard, and wish we could trade any 2 of the above for them.

Reminds me of the years we'd have to rely on Thaarpe to run the show.

But who scores?

Maybe it could be attributed to potentially the transfer portal, and maybe Remy's injury, but HCBS is having a real tough time with rotations this year. Like, they're really, really bad.

It's March and he still really hasn't figured anything out.

That loss to TCU is the team we should all expect come NCAA Tournament time, unfortunately.

These last two losses are not surprising. Baylor and TCU are both really good teams and it's so hard to win on the road against good teams like that. KU's lack of toughness on the boards and against a team with some length was exposed Tuesday though. Unfortunately, it exposes us for what we really are, a three seed. Capable of making a run, but vulnerable to a bad matchup. AND, very reliable on outside shooting. If Ochai gets out of this little shooting funk we can make a run. If Ochai gets out of the scoring funk, and Wilson/Braun are hitting, watch out.

We may still end up with a two seed, and should if we win these two and the first round next week. It just hasn't felt like anything better than a good 3 seed, or maybe a lower 2 seed.

Hopefully, we learn from Tuesday, and make some contact on the opponents' better rebounders.

Yeah the rotation has been weird. I think the inconsistency in the big men (David and Mitch) hasn't helped. Then you get a few good minutes from KJ or Clemence. BS even said he probably hasn't given some of the other bench players enough opportunity to improve their time. BS also said he wants to be 9 deep, IF Remmy is healthy. Who does that leave off? Clemence and KJ?

And after hearing an interview from BS a week ago, I would have though Remmy wasn't going to get a shot to play much at all! I"m guessing we see it his ideal rotation tonight and Saturday. Then next week he gets Clemence and Jo more playing time like he did with De Sousa.

I'm fully ready and expecting Self to play Clemence zero minutes after the toughness, grit and tenacity he played with in his 1.5 minutes of action in the last TCU game. The only player that really played with that tenacity.

He’ll get 30 seconds again, but it’ll be the best 30 seconds you’ll see.

Clemence got a concussion on Tuesday, not sure he is available tonight.

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It's been a few mins and my espn+ hasn't started buffering yet. Amazing!

Self doing jumping jacks right now and fist pumping

Lightfoot as the first man off the bench

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Can Remy actually score if he doesn't take 20 shots a game? His shot had always looked gross and not making anything, and doesn't seem to have any ability to drive to the hoop. Injury aside.

He's not Lagerald Vick obviously, but I'm not sure there's anything that Ochai does particularly well on a basketball court other than shoot.

He's more of a volume scorer, but I think his confidence is basically gone at this point. Huge difference from earlier in the year.

So Lampkin can taunt Harris after blocking him but Lightfoot can't taunt Lampkin after dunking? Yeah that's a load of shit.

Bullshit aside, he moves very well without the ball. And obviously his explosiveness on the lobs jumps off the screen.

He can defend with the right matchup, but it might be an effort thing.

He also has a good feel for long rebounds.

Obviously not Vick. I almost forgot about that dude ROFL

21 is who some of you were batching about not playing more? LMAO

7 offensive boards in one half.

Yes, I suppose getting open off screens to the extent he does is a skill. Can't create, pass, dribble, rebound, or defend at a high level though. He'll need to pick up his defense if he wants to stick in the NBA (thinking someone like Danny Green is something to shoot for).

That was a very disappointing half considering the start they got off to. Staring at a potential 3 game losing streak and no B12 conference win for the 2nd year in a row unless the defense and execution picks up.

Have you seen Lightfoot play over the last 6 years?

The HOF coach has I'd trust him. That dude won a **** ton of games with Kevin Young. Kevin Young!

Kevin Young actually rebounded and defended. This team could badly use somebody like that.

TCU's just got better athletes than us and it is pretty glaring.

These kids are more talented what you are seeing is guys in their own heads

Like Kentucky over again. Our hope for a NCAA will rely on matchups, or the team hitting a bunch of 3’s.

Mitch Lightfoot is more talented than what I'm seeing in my head?

You must be from the Qubec part of Canada.

Just going to need a whole lot of luck really, but that's the norm with that tournament.

French class was never my strong suit in high school.

How do these ****ing nobody JAGS for TCU make every shot they take? Christ.

These no name JAGS are more talented and better players.

They are far beyond better coached and it’s showing in the score board.

As excited as I was about March with KU.

My give a shit meter is broken.

Never gets old watching Dave miss a two footer

This team has low BB IQ.

My god. This is embarrassing

Big upset, they should storm the court.

Harris!

Sharing the big 12 is embarrassing after this late season collapse.

I think this season is not like most cause they had to get back breathing normally from wesring mask plus uncertainty if they were going to play.

Huh?

Did Remy even play in the 2nd half?

I'm almost a foot shorter than McCormack but would have no problem telling him he's a pussy to his face, he'd just fade away as he tried to punch me.

Hahah that Miles guy shot a 2 with 3 seconds left down by three. The even dumber part was Harris tried (and successfully blocked it). The only way you can lose is if you foul them on the two. Really lucky on Harris part. You just dont guard them if they wanna go inside the 3 point line in that scenario or foul hard.

Remy had no business playing in the 2nd half based on how he looked in the 1st half. Yesefu was definitely fine out there in the 2nd half too and Harris actually showed some confidence for once on his open shots (which he absolutely has to do to open things up for the others).

That was a pretty good win to pull out considering everything that was going against them with about 10 minutes left.

Yes, that was pretty dumb all around. Once Miles starts driving that to the basket with like 3-4 seconds left (I can't imagine Dixon drew that up), just let him go.

I guess I was wrong. We were up by 4 so not quite as bad.

No, we were up by 3 at the time Miles drove the ball.

Ok thats what i thought..someone on the Phog said I was wrong. This is the perfect example of a play that worked out but it was a super Bone headed thing to do by Harris. Worked and we won though but you gotta be smarter than that next time.

He is so soft for a 6'10" 250 lb. guy that is more muscle than fat. So frustrating to watch.

Yeesh, the Phog. Had to eject from that place years ago. So toxic.

I'm done with the Remy experiment. I think had he not gotten hurt and had more of a leash earlier in the year he could have been integrated more but he is the polar opposite type of player that Self prefers. If you listen to Self interviews about Remy earlier in the year - Remy came to them, not KU to Remy - and KU was kind of puzzled because this isn't really a system suited to a ball dominant little guard that likes to dribble around. But you can't really say no to the Pac 12 All-Conference player if he wants to come.

At this point, Yesufu is just the better option and there isn't enough time to do anything otherwise. I really can't get over how bad of a defender Remy is. It really is something. He defends by flopping because he knows he can't stay in front of a guy. Yesufu should help us in the years to come as well and his shot will start falling more now that he's getting comfortable.

I think once the big tournament starts it won't even matter. Coach Self is gonna roll with Harris and probably for 35 minutes. Jo might get the other 5, and Self will use the injury as the excuse for limited Remmy time. It's too bad. I really like Remmy's ability to get 10 to 15 foot good looks off the dribble. We tend to go through dry spells offensively and I think we struggle getting good looks in the final seconds of a shot clock. Remmy seemed like a good go-to in those situations.

Harris is going to get 35 minutes and will continue to get that role for two more years. I just hope that doesn't mean Jo leaves us.

The charge call at the end of that half on Braun was a disgrace. Shouldn't be rewarding that kind of defense at any level of basketball.

Might lose this game if Ochai continues to choke. 0 for 7 now and missing 3 footers.

You don't miss MOJ and EDF? LMAO

He has been cold for four games. 9 for his last 35 threes. It’s just tough to stay that hot all season. All good shooters go through a tough stretch. It’s not choking, it’s human. I just hope he gets hot for the NCAA tourney

There's cold and there's missing every shot you take all game. He looks nervous as hell right now (which isn't surprising considering it's his last home game). Isn't even getting to his spots.

He's just taking worse shots. He's trying to play hero James Harden ball but he isn't James Harden. Most of his threes are rushed jumpers that he takes because he just decides that he has to shoot because he's our #1 guy.