I would like to watch the patient bleed out slowly

you're probably right but do you really think they're going to go away from Carr next season? it's the raiders man they're going to stick with him

I just don't see how they can stick with him at $33 million next season. His cap hit damn near doubles.

Now maybe, given that Adams cap hit doesn't really increase much next season, they can get him to restructure for a season and then move on from him the following year. That might make the most sense - you probably don't want to burn the last cheapish year of Adams with a rookie QB before his cap hit goes up to $25 million.

But like I said - that just feels like delaying the inevitable. What looks like it will be BETTER for them next year? What young ascending talent do they have? Crosby will still be good - but he'll cost 3 times as much with a $20 million cap hit next season vs. 6 this year. Chandler Jones goes from 32 to 33 years old and his cap hit goes from $8 million to $19 million. Kolten Miller's in his prime but his cap hit goes from $7 million to $18 million. Renfrow goes from $3.5 million to $14 million.

And there's no way out on those guys. Crosby, Jones, Miller and Renfrow will cost $47 million MORE on their cap next season than they do this season and at best you'll get the same level of play from them (and probably reduced play from Jones). Go ahead and re-structure if you'd like - you're just moving that pain down the road so you can feel it as Adams is aging and getting more expensive and Carr DEFINITELY needs to cut or be restructured as his base salary passes $40 million.

The Raiders are ****ED. Just absolutely properly ****ed. They pushed a ton of chips in for this season and it is NOT going well.

Jesus tapdancing Christ, Raiders - what did you do?!?!

They have $42 million in dead money on their cap this year. Because of that they only have $144 million in active player contracts on this year's cap and STILL only created $9 million in rollover.

Because of that god-awful amount of dead cap, they had to structure these deals to play money into next year. In 2023, because of those raises, they have $172 million already committed to plays and STILL have $23 million in remaining dead money for nearly $200 million committed to next year's cap as it presently stands with only 30 players under contract.

They're sitting in an almost identical cap situation to us right now but that's without easy money like cutting Frank Clark sitting out there. Meanwhile, they don't have any 'value' players on their roster starting as early as next season.

That team is an absolute ****ing mess. I can't see a way forward that doesn't include cutting Carr. If they keep him, they're bringing back this same shit sandwich of a team with no meaningful areas on improvement that can be expected.

Cut Carr and draft a rookie QB. They will have a high pick.

It's what a smart organization would do.

Which means there's about a 30% chance the Raiders do it.

If I'm betting, I'm guessing they turn that $32 million in base that Carr is owed next season into a signing bonus that spreads the hit out. I'm betting they give him a 4 year 'extension' that takes his base down to near $1 million and spreads the remainder over 4 years (so $8 million/yr). In exchange for doing so, I'm betting Carr gets additional guarantees on his 2024 salary thus tying him and Adams together for 2 more years.

His cap hit falls from $33 million to $10 million next season, spikes to $50 odd million in 2024 (with probably $30 million or so of dead money) and then he gets cut at the same time Adams does.

They are in a rough spot here.

That's what happens when you hire an ESPN talking head to be your GM

They pushed all their chips to the middle of the table. The problem is they did it in an extremely clumsy, short sighted fashion. This truly was their "in it to win it" year and they couldn't even kick a field goal against the damn Saints. Watch, the Raiders will sign the honey badger in a year after the Saints dump him to fix all of their secondary problems.

They, like the Saints, should start selling off resources or anything not bolted down. But they won't.

And a HC that won a SB a long time ago.

FYP

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LMAO

That's the thing, though - most of these guys are "bolted down" due to the structure of their contracts.

What would be truly fascinating would be a QB trade. I wonder if the Falcons, given that they have some real weapons in place, would be interested in a deal for Carr and what the cost might be.

Mariota won't do anything for Oakland - but would Ridder? I mean if the Raiders could get Carr moved for Ridder and a 2nd, they'd be crazy not to, IMO.

And the Falcons, given the soft-ass NFC South, would have to be viewed as favorites the moment Carr hit the roster. Because unlike Mariota, he could/would put Pitts and London to decent use.

I mean that obviously won't happen for a hundred different reasons, but damn it'd be interesting. Move Jacobs for a 3rd rounder and see if you could get Antonio Gibson back as a potential rehabilitation candidate for a 5th? He's still cheap next season.

And you have a half a season to find out if you have anything but a quality backup in Ridder. If you don't, you've ensured that 1st rounder is pretty damn high and you can move for your QBOTF.

C'mooooooon, NFL owners. Just let me run a team for a bit. Pleeeeeeaaaaase. I'll even take the shitty ol' Raiders.

Why would the Falcons give up on Ridder though?

They don't have that much in him; a 3rd round pick.

And they evidently don't think enough of him right now (despite by all accounts being a very smart player) to displace a complete bum in Marcus Mariota.

So I don't get the impression they're in love with the guy.

It's way too Maddeny to ever happen, but I'd really like to see what that team could do with credible QB play.

I guess the question the Falcons have to ask themselves is if this isn't a window OPENING for them and if so, could Ridder be Carr with a dick cap hit as soon as next season.

That might well be the case. It ain't like the NFC South is gonna be orders of magnitude better with the Saints still digging out of cap hell and likely to lose Kamara and the Panthers/Bucs still not having a QB.

You may be right - they may be smarter to just ride it out and hope for 2022 while planning for 2023. But if they aren't high on Ridder, they've shown themselves to be feisty enough to likely keep them out of the top part of the draft. In which case, isn't Carr a really nice option going forward for them?

It comes down to how they view Ridder and right now they view him as something less than Mariota. Which is...odd.

You would be a fantastic GM but like George Carlin used to say, “There’s a club and you ain’t in it.”

If anyone should be trading for Carr....it's Indy. It stinks of a move that they would make.

Indy needs to suck it up and take a stab at the draft for one.

I just saw Pittman put up the worst drop I've seen since Orson Charles - for all the issues they've had at QB, there's a real chance that they just don't have the skill position players they need to excel.

LMAO My Condolences.

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Ehlinger almost certainly isn’t the answer, but that was an absolutely perfect pass. Pittman had plenty of room to run too. Plus they still had a timeout.

Pittman catches that, and the Colts have a real chance of winning.

Sweet! Maybe we can put a nice streak ala donks on them too!

Oh God, PLEASE!

Couldn’t happen to a better team

Can't trade Carr for anything. He has exactly two winning seasons in 8 years. And let's be honest, he has just way too many games like yesterday's where he just can't lead a team to even be competitive against a team that doesn't even have a QB.

And this time he even had an All-World WR in Adams, and still couldn't even lead his team to any points. The savage thing to do would be to just cut him if they can't get anything at all for him and get anyone in the building that makes their team more competitive. I say that because right this second I don't know which QBs are really available in 2023.

Karma for the BS Chris Jones penalty on the game ending sack that would have sealed a win for KC.

2 different teams traded for Carson Wentz. Someone will trade for Carr if he's available.

Just because you can score 100 on the written test, doesn't mean you can be a brain surgeon

Sadly this is the truth.

Between this thread and Quesadilla Joe's hall of fame worthy performance in the donk's thread, it's a reminder of how great it is to be a Chiefs fan, now and forever.

Yeah, I see your point. However, a lot of GMs would point to the fact that Wentz did the heavy lifting the year PHI won the SB, and that Carson (somehow) has managed to have 3 winning seasons out of six, while Carr has had just two winning seasons out of 7.

Personally, I'd never trade for either of them, but if somehow, I was forced into it, plus the fact that Wentz has managed to have two winning seasons out of the last four, while Carr has had just one, I guess I'd be forced to take Wentz.

But I'd be unhappy about it the entire season, and I would be looking for a replacement every day he was my starting QB.

Honestly the most Raider thing that would happen is they do trade Carr to say Indy and he manages to win playoff games for the Colts for a few years.

If you posted that stuff about Mariota on Raiders boards, you would be cursed. Those dipsticks think Mariota is good. ROFL

Still ranked too high.

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LMAO

Except MM is doing more, with less. His players are running through walls for him. Raiders looked finished last week

Man,,, they really suck this year.
True story

You just have to wonder what the hell they're doing over there when they have a future HOF WR, a top 10 RB, the fastest TE in the NFL, a perennial All-Pro EDGE and whatever else they have, and they can't win a game. They can't score a single point against the Saints. A team using a TE as a QB.

If you put Taylor Heinecke under C for LVR, they'd be better than 2-5. I mean, if Josh McDill-hole is half the offensive genius he's supposed to be anyway. Or is Carr even more terrible a QB than anyone has ever suspected?

Or is Carr just cursed?

It's inexplicable.

I'm going to lean into it being McDouche. Because **** all things Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag.

That's a safe bet.

Based on what I've seen thus far, it is McD trying to pound a massive square into a small round hole.

Josh has done the impossible, stop Hunter Renfrow from stealing DB's souls.

Some of it is Carr having tunnel vision. They should have never traded for Adams.

Rich Bisaccia won 10 games with LESS talent on the roster and a team that saw it's head coach be outed as a racist and their rookie WR kill a lady.. There is no other plausible explanation, it's McDaniel.

Think Adams had like 3 games in the last 4 seasons with Rodgers where he got less than 40 yards receiving. He already has 3 with the Raiders.

Why the **** didn't they just take the interim tag off Bissacia and at least let him have a full year with the team to see what he had. Given all the turmoil surrounding the Raiders last year, the fact he got a 7-5 record and a close loss in the playoffs to the Bengals should've been enough to earn him that job.

ROFL

FYP

You forgot to mention the Saints having the Red Rifle and a certain safety that likes to make “business decisions”.

This is one of the risks with having an elite receiver. While they are capable of dominating, many QBs tend to look for them to the detriment of the rest of the team.

They missed mascara.

McDaniel buying his time until they get a QB in the next draft

he knows the Carr won't take him anywhere

Mariota has won 4 games with worse offensive talent and a 31st ranked defense.
LMAO

looool

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The last QB he drafted was Tebow.

Let that sink in.

Well thank God Raiders aren't that smart theyd maybe more competitive this year

Raiders still suck

Absolutely pathetic.

Led two of their last four games by 17-0.

Lost both.

Raiders way.

With all that talent, except QB who is only serviceable, they should be way more competitive then this.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Number of games <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> lost after leading by 17+ in 628 regular season and playoff games before Josh McDaniels arrived: 3<br><br>Number of games Raiders lost after leading by 17+ in 8 games w/ Josh McDaniels as head coach: 3</p>&mdash; Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/1589364080611307520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ridiculous

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only teams in NFL history to lose 3 games in 1 season they led by 17+ points:<br>2022 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a><br>2020 Chargers<br>2003 Falcons</p>&mdash; Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshDubowAP/status/1589364140677955584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At least Te can cry himself to sleep with a handful of 100 dollar bills.

I picture staylor26 looking like Mark Davis. Total douchebag.


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there's only like three players on the team that aren't pissing me off, Crosby, Jacobs, and Hollins. The rest, and everyone else affiliated with the team from the coaches to Mark himself, are so useless. Paying this ****ing star receiver this much money when he couldn't make a catch if he was coated in stick um...

ass team is aids

You're obsessed with him. Dude owns your soul.

Yeesh

Raiders might be competitive in like 18-20 years or so. They're getting it together slowly.

LOLOLOLOL

Explanation is simple. They have Patriots Way failure trash as HC.

I mean, they are competitive

Just not good

And they still have 10 games to add to their legacy. ROFL

He’s obsessed with me.


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Do not want to play them with nothing to lose. Hate playing teams like that.

I gives me great pleasure knowing the faid are still irrelevant, because **** them

I thought I couldn't hate the Patriots any more than I already did, but here we are.

Best way to cure yourself of this is to just become a KC fan.

Judging the last 8 years, Derek has his best games in the first half of the season and then the wheels come off…….can’t wait to see what this turd does the rest of the season lol.

At least I can feel with confidence the Raiders will dump this fraud after this season. If they do so, the cap hit is rather low.

Davante Adams airs frustrations after Raiders again blow 17-point lead


JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The shock in the Las Vegas Raiders' locker room was palpable after their latest record-setting come-from-ahead loss, 27-20, at the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.

And while defensive end Maxx Crosby had "no idea" if there was a silver lining in the defeat, slot receiver Hunter Renfrow said the goal was to "not walk around like it's a funeral" and stay positive. Quarterback Derek Carr preferred to keep his most private thoughts to himself, while receiver Davante Adams spoke freely.

"There's no reason why we should be losing games like this, and it's frustrating," Adams said at his locker after a lengthy talk with Carr. "If we played for a s---ty team, then it's one thing. But that's not what it is."

What it was, though, was Las Vegas losing its third game of the season after holding at least a 17-point lead -- 20-0 against Arizona, 17-0 at Kansas City and 17-0 in Jacksonville -- to fall to 2-6 under new coach Josh McDaniels. This after being 10-7 and a playoff team last season under interim coach Rich Bisaccia, who took over in Week 6 after Jon Gruden resigned.

The Raiders' three losses after leading by at least 17 points this season ties the mark for most such losses by any team in NFL history, and it's been done only two other times: by the 2020 Los Angeles Chargers and the 2003 Atlanta Falcons, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. The Raiders had never had two such losses before this season.

Over the past two weeks, the Raiders were shut out by the New Orleans Saints and then blew the 17-point lead, marking the eighth time in league history a team has been blanked and blown such a lead in consecutive games, regardless of order -- the first time it's happened since the Cleveland Browns did it in 2009. The Raiders, who also accomplished the ignominious mark in 1997, are the only team to do it multiple times now.

Entering this season, the Raiders had won 52 of their past 54 games, dating to 2000, when leading by at least 17 points.

Perhaps most galling for the Raiders in general, and Adams in particular, was how fast they had started by throwing the ball to Adams. In building a 17-0 lead, Adams had nine catches on nine targets for a season-high 146 yards and two touchdowns. It was the first time in his nine-year career Adams had at least 100 yards receiving and multiple receiving TDs in a half.

The rest of the game, though, Adams had one catch, for no yards, on eight targets.

"The way we were attacking in the first half was working, to a certain extent," Adams said. "I feel like we got away from that and started playing the game a little different, and that's not the way we've got to do it."

Still, Adams would also say he was not taking a shot at his coaches or McDaniels' scheme.

"But at the end of the day, if I'm rolling in certain situations like that, or if the pass game is something that's helping us move the ball and win games, then, obviously, that's the idea," Adams said. "You want to stick with what's working."

Even, as Adams said, the Raiders want to have a balanced offense, with one of the top running backs in the league in Josh Jacobs.

"So, I understand that part of it," he said, "but I also understand the part that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's kind of the way I think ... so at the end of the day, we don't need to make it any spicier than it needs to be, but I think y'all feel me on that.

"We did a decent enough job to still put ourselves in a decent position moving into the second half, and then, we just basically fell apart. I don't even know how else to even characterize it. But it's frustrating. Ain't no way we should be losing games at the rate we are, let alone the way that we are, and over the middle at the end of the game, I've got to make a play on that ball."

Carr, meanwhile, kept a relatively tight lip when asked about the Raiders blowing their third 17-plus-point lead.

"There is a lot I want to say, you know, but if I'm honest, I don't need to say it here," he said. "There are things that will be said [internally] ... things in house that we'll talk about man to man and all that kind of stuff that could be addressed."

McDaniels, who is 7-23 as a head coach after a 6-0 start with the Denver Broncos in 2009, said most of Adams' success in the first half came against single coverage.

And a week after apologizing for the showing in the 24-0 loss in New Orleans, he said the latest collapse was a result of not playing well for 60 minutes. The Raiders also spent the week practicing at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida.

"I don't sense that our team relaxes when we have that situation, but obviously that might be the wrong thing, you know what I mean?" McDaniels said. "And so, we've played, like I said, some stretches of football that are good. Good enough to get ahead and produce a lead, but that's not what this league is about."



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I wouldn't count on that. Just when things come together, another disastrous decision will be made.

Like dumping Carr for nothing (wasted draft picks or whatever) in the off season.

Raiders cut Abram, another first round bust

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A surprise: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raiders?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raiders</a> are releasing former first-round pick safety Johnathan Abram, per source. <a href="https://t.co/E8BjfpRvhT">pic.twitter.com/E8BjfpRvhT</a></p>&mdash; Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1590069194988867585?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just glad he'll be gone the next time we play them.

He sucked, but he'd still go out there and head-hunt. Just because he couldn't defend you, doesn't mean he can't injure you.

**** that guy. Dirty prick.

Wasn’t he supposed to be the second coming of Ronnie Lott?