93% critics and 56% fans on rotten tomatoes. I’ve seen it flipped the other way, but that’s a big ass gap. Looks fishy to me.


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Kylo Ren is much better at being Anakin Skywalker than Anakin Skywalker.

I was just left disappointed..... But I can also see alot of what Clay is saying. I will definitely go see it again. Maybe it takes a couple viewings. And maybe some are right i'm just nitpicking and it wasn't exactly what i expected.

I was instantly unhappy when Kylo broke his helmet.... I was so waiting for him to come off that ship to face luke with either his helmet or vaders helmet on.

i could see alot of what he's saying in this video, and may clear up some questions as to why snoke chose ben

Vader's helmet on!? WTF? :) See this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Everyone has their own ideas, dreams, thoughts, visions of what they think should happen that it can't possibly come close to meeting anyone's expectations.

Not hating on you bro... but Ren coming out with Vader's helmet on would have been weird as **** IMO!

Yes, he was already regarded as Supreme Leader in TLJ.

Hux addressed him as such.

Rey got the half of the lightsaber with the Kyber crystal

I love kylo's helmet, and he's always worn it to be vader like. So when he crushed it and the way his ark, the i take it is going, he wants to rule, he wants the ultimate power. He wants to be vader and finish what he started. So it wouldn't have suprised me if he came out in vaders helmet to face luke and again finish what vader started or couldn't. Although i'd rather him just keep his own helmet as i think it's badass. I think the ultimate goal is in episode 9 kylo's transformation to the dark side and turning more into vader will be complete. Even thru this whole movie he was way more aggressive and nasty, Force choking and pulling people like vader. Snapping and putting his foot down that he was in charge. Very Vader.

Not saying what i thought would be badass should be done just my own "would have been epic" moment in my head.. lol

Wow, I really hated the way that guy talked

ya his voice is annoying, but i think he has valid points

Vader's helmet is all jacked up too though. I think snoke just embarrassed him into not wearing helmets all together

THIS!

6 or 7/10. I was expecting much more.. had a rogue one vibe. Kinda wish disney never picked up the franchise oh well.

Heard a rumor Luke dies trying something Loki does regularly. Bummer if that’s how they killed off the last Jedi.

Kylo could have someone make him a Vader helmet. This already happens in the US.

Yes, he could have... Or he could have just not smashed his helmet. I think the point was that he wasn't going to hide behind helmet anymore

Or he was just upset.

That seems to happen with him a bit.

i think he smashed his helmet cause snoke basically called him a failure and that he would never be vader. So he got pissed and smashed it. But then you can see him change. Becoming more comfortable with who and what he is by the end of the movie. Bet he's back in a helmet for episode 9.

Also - the fight scenes just seem un inspired.. I mean I don’t need John wick level destruction but it seemed so by the numbers and like a practice session. The parts I loved about all’s attest films were the one on one connections, where thy zeroed in on all conflict and made you side with a character - all those moments were heavily over shadowed by another big resistance battle scene - just like force awakens and rogue.. I wanted a different take while keeping the struggle weave into the storyline but maybe I’m askin for too much.

Was there a bigger waste of a character than phasma?

Star Wars Episode VIII SPOILERS thread
 

This was my point when I argued with Dane over the Force Awakens. I’ve always considered these turn your mind off fun. Just didn’t enjoy most of this one. Mostly the resistance parts though. Glad some enjoyed it.


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I think Gareth Edwards should get the keys to the trilogy. I just think he gets it more. I think Johnson had been a good director. but I just didn’t like his work here. Part of the blame might be just throwing him in the middle. I’m hoping I’ll like a second viewing more but I’m not rushing to do that, and it maybe video before I do.


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isnt that true with almost all movies? Superheroes, Action movies, Sci-Fi etc. you must just accept plot line holes, suspend believability, plot twists that make no sense. That's just going to the movies in 2017.

We'll have to agree to disagree here, Broheim.

Rogue One, as far as complete film making goes, is the best film in the Star Wars Galaxy.

Impeccable casting, direction, set design, story, VFX, battles, score (yes, the best score since The Phantom Menace, which IMO is William's best work) and third act.

The third act in Rogue One was unbelievably awesome. The last five minutes were absolutely epic.

Episode VIII just didn't know when to end, kind of like Revenge of the Sith.

I was bored for the last 45 mins of the movie. It was a sound film by all means but.. there’s just something in the forcing lacking.


Also what was that kid at the end all about? Didn’t he force grab that broom?

I rewatched rogue one and I off base in my hate. I agree with you there.i do remember this series IS child friendly and that might get in the way of things. The dialogue of kylo ren just seems uninspired and not creative - I connected more with Ian and Hayden’s back and forth more so and for various reasons I guess. I think another thing is the score.. it just seemed clunky and trying tooo hard to sound like star wars of past and instead I creating a new atmosphere. The movie felt way to long
People also said it was way darker and I didn’t get that vibe at all -shrugs- rogue one nailed that vibe

Sure, I just didn’t find it that fun personally.


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I think it depends on the style.

Marvel films want us to believe that their stories are happening in the world at large, today. Unlike many people, I have issue with that in certain films.

DC films aren't happening in the real world today. They may take some elements but for the most part, it's a Comic Book world. That may be why people don't like them as much as Marvel but who the hell knows?

Star Wars had set a decent set of ground rules in The Original Trilogy. Rogue One followed those rules. The prequels kind of expanded upon those (The Rule of Two, Midichlorians, Virgin Births, etc.) but it wasn't too crazy.

The Force Awakens mostly stayed within those confines but eliminated The Sith and expanded upon the Empire's weaponry.

The Last Jedi? Holy moly.

But after today's discussion, I'm looking forward to seeing it again at 1:45 PST in a completely different theater. Hopefully the experience will be better.

And was I tripping but did that little boy use the force to grab that broom?

You might be right that Yoda knew the books were gone.

Yes

It does indeed! :)

I think that group of kids is supposed to be the next generation of Jedi.

Wtf did I just watch

The humor has always been juvenile.

I know, it'll take a day to process and develop an opinion with this

I thought there were a couple things I knew fans would hate but I'm surprised the reaction to the film across the Internet is quite this negative.

Who knew making a film which is pretty much a giant middle finger to hardcore fan's would piss off Fanboys.

I'ts been almost 24 hours and I'm still angry about this movie.

What the movie looked like to me 90% of the time.

https://imgoat.com/uploads/35b90b4568/66996.gif

Currently it's at 56% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes

5.0 audience approval on Metacritic

ROFL

I haven't seen it yet, and will probably wait a week or two to go. After seeing reactions like this, my expectations will be so low I'll probably really enjoy it.

Phasma/that third guy that name evades me: smoke meant nothing.. I’m guessing snoke will still play a role in 9

I do not understand this reaction at all.

Can't speak for everyone but I've stated my issues. The stupidity of the whole set-up and weak story are what did it for me. There were just too many missed opportunities of what could have been.

The multiplier was that I was expected more from Rian.

There were cool things that I really liked - Snoke and Luke scenes were all interesting. The Praetorian Guard battle (though you have to admit it should probably have started a tad bit earlier lol) was well done. It just felt like there was about 45 minutes of actual story that got padded with nearly two hours of side-quests that went no where.

But in answer to your questino I think a lot of it has to do with what could have been and what is there is just really, really weak.

Agree with all of this. Except Poe. I really hate Poe because his humor is just stupid and he's pretty perfunctory in every way.

I'd add...

I thought it was pretty good. First hour was pretty slow but it really picked up after that. They really need to cut back on the silly one liners though. Star Wars is much better when it takes itself serious.

I am not completely sure how I feel about Last Jedi yet. I liked more things than things I did not like.....but there is no way on God's green earth that Episodes I or II are better than it.

We ran into some people we knew who were leaving as we were waiting in line, and they were gushing that it was the best one they'd seen.

After leaving the theater and having some time to digest it, I don't agree with that assessment at all. It was fine, and certainly better than the prequels, but there are a lot of things that either fell flat or made no sense to me:

Why spend the entire first film with the audience knowing Snoke is the Supreme Commander, give him the standard bad guy, "I fooled you all" speech, and then kill him off? Where did he come from? Who trained him? They turned a compelling character into General Grievous.

If Leia can preserve herself from death in the vacuum of space and propel herself back into the bridge of the ship, why can't she move some rocks that are in her way?

Why did they modulate Kylo Ren's voice through the first half of the movie, even when he was next to Rey and not a force projection, and then have his normal speaking voice over the latter portion?

Why was everyone on the verge of tears, or crying throughout the entirety of the film?

Star Wars has always had clunky humor, but a lot of the humor in this movie was too forced, IMO, and borderline inappropriate for the tension of certain situations. Snoke tapping Rey on the head with the lightsaber when she tried to pull it, and her comments about shirtless Kylo during one of their mental encounters took me out of the scene, as well as his "They were nothing...nothing," line.

Also, I don't think Adam Driver is a compelling antagonist at all. He's overacting the entire time, trying to over-emote with a shaking visage and tear-filled eyes. I don't
think his performance was much better than Hayden Christensen.

Maybe this is my nostalgia speaking, but I don't think that every old character has to die in the new series. I spent the entire last sequence thinking, "Please, don't kill Luke Skywalker." Is the story harmed by having him merely exhausted after the force projection? Obviously, he can still exist in future installments as a force ghost, like Yoda, but I think his corporeal form had more to offer for the next film.

Luke can't be corporeal in the next film.

No more than Obi-Wan or Yoda could be in Jedi.

If a ****ing Jedi Master is running around there's no reason for Rey to do anything. She barely had a dramatic hand in this movie's climax as it was.

I actually wished that Leia had died instead of Admiral Holdo, because it would have been the IDEAL death for her, and cleared a path for Poe to do more in IX.

So the protagonist actually has something to do. C'mon.

I'm actually conflicted about whether or not killing Snoke was the right thing to do (he's an interesting character, but I think his backstory is more interesting than anything he had left to do in this story), but if you don't A) how does that scene advance forward otherwise and B) how does Kylo really get set up as a real villain.

Now he is. It served it's purpose.

Killing Snoke removes any possibility of IX being a ripoff of Jedi, at the very least, and with Jar Jar Abrams lurking that's a very good thing.

We're set up now for a Kylo/Rey Hux/Poe showdown in IX and it's going to be fun.

I would assume that nudging oneself in the zero gravity of space is far easier than picking up large boulders against the pull of the planet's gravity. Much in the same way the little boulders that luke moves when he is training with Yoda are easier for him to lift than the xwing buried in the swamp.

I feel like a major theme of this movie is "You're asking the wrong questions." That being said, why not let this play out? Just because it isn't addressed in the remainder of this movie doesn't mean they're done with the character totally.

The Force manifests itself in different ways in different people.

Because they're being pushed to the brink of what they can handle in different ways.

I don't like Adam Driver. But he's way better than HC.

Chewie is alive. Leia has to die, due to unforeseen circumstances. The first film was supposed to be Han's, this one Luke's and the third was supposed to be Leia's. Can't do that now.

The story isn't harmed, but there's not much else left for him to do. He's trained Rey as much as he was trained by Yoda. We also may not be done with him.

On track for $220 million, maybe more.

Interesting, it got an A grade from Cinemascore.

http://deadline.com/2017/12/the-last...ds-1202228444/

https://www.cinemascore.com/

The issue with this is that it presupposes that the only thing a Jedi is supposed to do is train an apprentice then die. Part of this film is about the fallibility and arrogance of the Jedi's methods, but in the end, he does what everyone before him did despite an awareness of that arrogance.

Stayed up til 2 AM skyping with my cousin about this movie last night.

I almost lost my voice. LMAO

This is such a fun movie.

The real answer is "who cares."

You can nitpick a thousand things just like that in the original trilogy.

This movie was completely enjoyable in an original way no Star Wars movie has been since the 80s, and manages to pull off most everything in a believable manner.

If you didn't like it, you hate fun. :#

Maybe you need to stop indexing everything against what happens in a Star Wars movie and start analyzing it from the perspective of plot and narrative consistency.

It's not a bad film, nor is it unenjoyable, but it's also not a 93-percent-positively-rated film either.

Got tickets for one o clock showing. Opted out of the 3D at noon.

Your barometer of what is “fun” is broken.

Unless boring and stupid, to you, is “fun.”

Yeah, good move. I didn't enjoy the 3D at all.

I just thought of it as a false flag--she's continually waiting for a reveal that will never present itself because it's ultimately unimportant. Sometimes we look for significance in areas that aren't.

I’m taking the 7 year old to see it tomorrow.

Luke is going to Gandalf the White it in Ep. 9 before sailing off to the Grey Haven Galaxy.

Count on it.

As a Star Wars film...yes it is.

We're not dealing with great cinema here. This isn't The Shawshank Redemption. The plot doesn't have to be airtight.

You know how easy it is to sit here and poke holes in every Star Wars film?

You might as well be saying "why didn't the Death Star just come out of hyperspace closer to Yavin IV?" or "why didn't the gunners take out the pod R2-D2 and C-3P0 were on, just to be safe?"

That's what you're doing with TLJ.

Possibly. The idea of who or what they might be interests me, but it's not critically important, imo. That would have been a pretty deep way (for Star Wars, anyway) to show that the subject is a nothingburger.

How badass would it be if he did something totally deus ex machina and took out a Star Destroyer or something?

That's actually what I thought was going to happen at the end. He was going to walk out there and make all the Walkers fall into each other like dominoes. Or destroy the thin salt flats beneath them, resulting in all of them falling underground.

Basically I saw that as The Force telling her that it's not important who her parents were. It's important who she is.

Which is really what The Force told Luke in ESB, anyway...from a certain point of view. :D

No, the prequels were boring and stupid.

This movie wasn't even close to those piles of garbage.

Jedi had R2-D2 zapping Salacious Crumb into the ceiling and saving C-3P0 from getting his eye ripped out...this movie had BB-8 piloting a ****ing AT-ST out of nowhere. ROFL

Same kind of fun. Made me feel 12 again. Thank you Rian!

I did not feel TLJ was boring or stupid, as well.

Man I'm reading shit with people bitching about the Porgs.

THE PORGS.

Because they didn't "advance the plot."

****ing come on, fam. The goddamn critters in Jabba's Palace didn't advance the plot for shit, either. You might as well be bitching about the giant frog-thing that tongues it's dinner in a brief cutaway in Jedi.

Haters of fun.

When Rey hit sucked into the dark side hole like you said and then seeing herself in the enter its mirror and asking who her parents are and seeing a reflection of her. I think it's saying it's unimportant who they are

Should have subtitled this, but smooth move, Rian. LMAO

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b01d429cc8bd59

Damm sitting front row I hate front row my neck is going be crimpt

Oh, and another cool thing...I just remembered Luke used Astral projection in the Dark Empire comics. So awesome to see it in a movie.

https://i.imgur.com/eOUes69.jpg

Oh yeah...and to be honest, astral projection IS canon.

Heard it is the best movie since that of Empire Strikes Back in the franchise there!

A VERY good thing this did not make it into the film.

https://i.imgur.com/XyIKzQ7l.jpg