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Big 12 Hoops Week 9 Power Rankings: Iowa State Leads Pack Into New Year

Big 12 Men’s Basketball Power Rankings – Week 9

Iowa State Cyclones – Impressive 12-0 start; firmly the team to beat at this stage of the season.
Oklahoma State Cowboys – The Cowboys are right on the Cyclones’ heels and primed to ascend to the top spot if Iowa State stumbles.
Baylor Bears – Baylor has two wins over ranked teams (Kentucky and Colorado). Their only loss was to No. 2 Syracuse.
Kansas Jayhawks- Very young, but exceptionally talented. This bunch is going to get better as the season progresses. Look out in February and March.
Oklahoma Sooners – The Sooners were tripped up in their final nonconference game, but this team is playing much better than the experts first thought.
Texas Longhorns – Off to an 11-2 start to the season, the Longhorns have been playing much better in their last few games.
Kansas State Wildcats – The Wildcats started the season 2-3 but have won eight straight to build theur record to 10-3 with one-loss Oklahoma State coming to Manhattan on Saturday.
TCU Horned Frogs – TCU is 9-3 heading into Big 12 play. The Horned Frogs only won 11 games all of last season.
Texas Tech Red Raiders – Tubby Smith’s bunch faces their toughest test of the season with league-leading Iowa State coming to town on Saturday.
West Virginia Mountaineers – Based on the early going, it appears it is going to be another long season for head coach Bob Huggins.

Big 12 Hoops Week 9 Power Rankings: Iowa State Leads Pack Into New Year - Talking 12 - A Big 12 Sports Site

In football. Follow the convo dumbass. How did that fruit bowl effect the football program other than it going in the shitter?

Nobody wanted KU in the heat of realignment and they still don't. The football program is that embarrassing.

Apologies. Correction, this is no longer accurate as of this afternoon. Kansas isn't the #2 RPI team any longer:

http://www.realtimerpi.com/

So next year, when the BCS is gone again, the Orange Bowl win is just an Orange Bowl win - right?

Surely they're not going to milk the 'prestige' of having this short-term failed experiment attached to a single victory for the next decade or anything - right?

UMASS is the second best team in the country...yep. Nailed it.

#5 SoS. You get rewarded by playing tough schedules. Cheap wins might fly in CoMo, but in the real world they don't.

I would welcome them to UCF's conference, Would upgrade the basketball portion of our conference and would be an automatic win in Football for us.

Congrats on those road games you didn't win. In the real world, Mizzou is top 25. Thanks for your concern, though.

They're also #20 in the RPI.

Kansas would probably be an automatic win in a FCS conference.

But they were still in demand. Keep fooling yourself into thinking that basketball was even an afterthought when realignment was going on. The only time that basketball was considered was when the basketball only schools of the former Big East broke away from the ashes of that conference after the schools that the other guys wanted left.

boom

Good stand by OU.

Lets not act like Nebraska wasn't starting a 3rd string redshirt freshmen and didn't have a bunch of injuries either. Pelini out coached Reicht and that's saying somthing.

Banner time?

Agreed, but the loss of Murray can't be underestimated. UGA with Murray is better than Nebraska with Martinez.

You're celebrating rankings in the middle of the season? This contradicts the majority of what I read you say. :hmmm:

Dumbass strikes again.

I'm surprised it took that long for the thread to get back to the top.

I've learned so much from Saul, the guy from Florida and the other MU fans.

It's fun rooting for all the teams in your conference and not just one. There are so many chances to be happy.

#boomersooner

I imagine many ku fans are doing just that.

I don't give a squirt of urine if OU wins or not. I don't take pride in others accomplishments like some fan bases do (cough cough). We could probably play a "sauls greatest hits" though on all his OU rants this year.

Obviously I'm joking. **** OU. I've hated them since the day I was born.

I'm amazed anyone who would wear SEC shirts, or hold up SEC signs. It's pathetic. Root for your team and what your school wins. Otherwise what's the point?

The last few comments in this thread describe perfectly why Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M and Mizzou all left the Big 12. There is ZERO conference pride in the Big 12, their own teams **** each other over and their conference commish fails to go to bat for them when necessary. The Big 12 is everything the Big 8 was not. The conference was ruined by the inclusion of the Texas schools. It ruined the Big 12 and made it what it is today.

That's why so many fans of Big 12 teams don't take any pride in their conference and don't understand why SEC fans do. It's called loyalty. Something the Big 8 once had, but has long since gone . . . . .

I wanted Oklahoma to win. Don't some dipshits in a meaningless pissing match sway your opinion. Texas is the only team guys root against, but honestly I wanted Texas to get Saban to shut the SEC crowd up a little.

Sorry if I lumped you in with many others that have posted in here, but my point still stands.

Texas ruined the Big 8/12 and its why many Big 12 fans today don't understand conference pride/loyalty and look at SEC fans like they're crazy when they celebrate that very thing.

It's really a shame, but it is what it is.

I've been awake for 2 1/2 hours this morning and have yet to see anyone wearing an "SEC" shirt or have to listen to some idiot scream "SEC SEC SEC" in my face.

It's been glorious.

So you rooted KU when the Big 8 was around? If not, what you just wrote is complete nonsense.

When will that dumbass Saul slink back in here and show his face again? Should be great theater!

So, because OU upset Alabama, that makes someone who predicted otherwise a dumbass?
Is that today's thesis?

It looks like you sat out the past six months of this discussion on OU sully. Why don't you continue that trend a while more.

Good win for OU. They finally beat a good team.

For a bunch of fans who don't care, some of you are sure beating your chests.

Uh oh... I'm pretty sure Sagarin had Alabama winning this game. In fact, I'm sure every computer did.

My Atari certainly did NOT.

I am sure Prison Bitch's computer will magically re-calibrate its formula to say that OU was the better team all along.

Good on OU for showing up. So now we know that there's one quality football team in the Big 12.

We are mocking you, Saul. If that wasn't being clearly communicated by now, let me reiterate it.

Cool. Still waiting for the SEC to show us one.

"Conference pride" is for programs that have to leech off others' accomplishments because they can't win shit themselves.

Scoreboard.

LMAO

As an alum from a school that knows a thing or two about winning championships...I call BS.

I'm not amazed that you (continually) don't get it.


FTR, I don't own any SEC shirts or signs.

Maybe I will learn now that my team plays in the best football and basketball conference.

Not likely, since your claim is fallacious.

No longer a KU fan, I see.

Must have jumped on the Florida or Kentucky bandwagon.

This is actually a pretty interesting point.

I was raised over split eras; being born in the early 80s I remember the Big 8 but have a more vivid recollection of the Big 12. My folks, OTOH, were obviously long-time Big 8 supporters.

My parents, to a person, supported other members of the conference during bowl games, tournaments, etc... I, OTOH, pretty much rooted against all of them.

It does seem like there was a camaraderie that came from the Big 8 that never existed in the Big 12. The camaraderie exists in the SEC as well. Honestly, I think it's a good thing. I think there's some truth to the position that the lack of 'ties' within the conference is why some schools looked to leave.

Setting that aside - damn OU looked good. That's arguably the best I've seen an offense look this year. Stoops and his OC absolutely abused Saban and Smart last night. That's the first time in a long time I've seen Alabama get outcoached. And AJ McCarron couldn't have looked more like Matt Cassel if he tried. By the mid-2nd quarter, he was staring at the rush and things just fell apart from there.

Hat's off to an OU - they were inconsistent this year, but they look like they have a keeper at QB and they were firing on all cylinders last night.

Kirby Smart - you probably want to slow down on packing boxes for your HC gig; I'm pretty sure your phones got a lot quieter this morning.

Saul is way beyond conf pride. It's at Defcon 5 level for that clown, and his everyday posting on OU was downright stalker behavior. That's why he's being called out. Don't spam six months of nonsense, it wastes our time and the admin's bandwidth.

Really? Show me a post I made before yesterday referencing Oklahoma or their game against Alabama. I'll help you out by showing every post I made containing either OU, Oklahoma or Sooners in the past month. (Spoiler alert...you're full of shit.)

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/search.php?do=process

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/searc...archid=1025897

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/searc...archid=1025899

Nice to know you are so care so much about the admin's and their bandwidth. :p

Says the guy who actually does post about the SEC and Mizzou every day.

Nice try. I don't give two squirts about most SEC teams. I did have fun laughing at Florida but who didn't? Mizzou is the only team I actively root against in that league. If they had moved to the BIG like they wanted to, I doubt the sec would even be talked about much here

Yes.
You've made my point.
You tried to belittle another poster because you imagined he posted about OU "every day."
In reality he didn't, but you actually DO post about Mizzou and/or the SEC nearly every day.

I'm not going to dig into like PB but it's nice that you'll be a bit humbled from here on out.

The daily posts you make digging up any numbers and/or opinions about how the "Big Whatever" sucks just got dropped on your flagship football team last night by ours.

Now...time for basketball.

I'm old enough to have seen the Big 8 and I can tell you there was more camaraderie in the conference than what was in the Big 12....it was much more in Basketball than football because it was pretty much OU and Nebraska every year for the football title.

The Coaches were closer....I think that other than on the Basketball court Johnny Orr and Norm Stewart were the best of friends.

It's good to know that one bowl game means that much when the Big 12 wins, but the past decade of SEC beat downs don't mean anything.

The Big 12 won a game against a good SEC team. They may even do it again tonight. Celebrate it like its a title. It's as close to a title as Big 12 teams get, it would seem.

What a load of nonsense. Mizzou cried about cheaters their whole history. They left with ongoing disputes in the KU football series tally and the KSU basketball tally. Tubbs won the Big 8 in Allen and cut down our nets. KSU tore down our goalposts. OU-osu hate each other. KU-MU nuff said.

Might want to also consider that it was old Big 8 schools like Colorado and Mizzou that cast deciding ballots against KC and Bob Frederik when the league ended.

This. The fan bases in the MVC have a camaraderie similar to the SEC. We all hate each other when we play but OOC or in the NCAAs we all root for each other. The Big 12 schools seem to be for themselves.

Wrong on that one champ. It was Colorado, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State that did KC over.

I unblocked you long enough to read this.....once again you are so FOS that it makes me laugh. Your complete and utter nonsensical anger towards MU leaves you with a total lack of credibility.

You should go back and try to re-think your history or at the very least take off your hate-filled glasses which for some reason are glued at the other end to your posterior.

I remember reading that right after Stewart found out that he had cancer it was Orr and Hartman that were some of the first people to reach out to him. The coaches didn't hate each other some of the fans did. But not as much as your limited memory likes to recall...spin it any way you want but there was tons more camaraderie in the Big 8 than the Big 12.

They did too. Never said they didn't. The two Oklahoma schools are in a state that basically considers themselves North Texas so their action wasn't surprising. But Mizzou did cast the deciding vote for the SWC commish 7-5.

The piece of shit SWAC ruined the Big XII. It shouldn't be a surprise that members the dirtiest conference in the history of collegiate athletics took a steaming shit all over the new digs.

FWIW, I always hated other Big 8 teams. I hate all the other SEC teams, too. The only thing their winning does is make Missouri's wins look better. Aside from that, the cousin-****ing Confederates can all die of chromosomal anomalies as far as I'm concerned.

If Missouri is going after a kid who is a SCAR lean, I want SCAR to get choked on chunks of their eviscerated spleen against whomever they play

I don't think the Big 8 could have survived (as a top-tier or near-top-tier conference) this long without embracing the Texas schools. Maybe there was a better way to absorb Texas and aTm without shifting the center of gravity to Dallas and making the northern teams afterthoughts, but the Big 8 needed Texas to survive, IMO.

This.

Big 8 needed Texas population. SWC needed other states for tv. The original proposal of the Big 8 taking Texas and A&M would probably have been the best. But Texas is going to be the big gorilla in any conference it goes to.

I agree, and the Big 12 was doomed from the start. In some respects, it's impressive that it lasted as long as it did. I pulled for Texas when we were in the same conference for the same reason I pull for the rest of the SEC today. A strong Texas was good for Mizzou in that players in Texas wanted to play for Texas, and the next best thing was playing against them. Mizzou got loads of players simply because they wanted to be in the same conference.

In the SEC, there is a similar phenomenon on a much larger scale. I pull for the conference to the extent that it helps Mizzou. The exposure, recruiting, money, prestige, etc. all combine to provide advantages that other programs don't have. The best players want to play in the SEC. The best coaches want to coach in the SEC.

There is a cycle that has become self-sustaining. The national narrative is that the SEC is the best. The more the recruits hear this, the more they want to play here. The more recruits we get, the more success we have on the field. The more success we have on the field, the louder the narrative gets...and they cycle, feeds upon itself and gets stronger and stronger. Literally no other football conference has this going for it. The Big East was getting to that point in basketball, but basketball can't carry a conference, and their lack of football success doomed the conference to failure.

At the end of the day, it's hilarious to me that certain posters care so much about who I cheer for. It's so bizarre that anyone in the world would care about what teams a guy they will never meet cheers for that it makes me cheer for them even more just to watch posters work themselves into a frenzy.

Being associated with Texas (the most powerful brand in college sport) has done wonders for all of the Big 12 teams. The dollars being brought in and success that pretty much all Big 12 schools have experienced has been enhanced by merging with the Texas schools.

UT is probably the 3-4th best football program in the conference right now and the 2-3rd strongest in basketball. This speaks to how the level of play has been raised for the other schools.

With 10 teams now each school gets to showcase their own brand as opposed to living under the banner of "the conference". The SEC has cornered the market on conference recognition but what this has done lessened the impact of individual universities. Oklahoma defeating the flagship football program of the SEC carries some success for the conference sure...but more for Oklahoma. Which is exactly how the Big 12 prefers to operate.

Teams like Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, and now Baylor have seen their athletic programs boom while being members of the Big 12 when in the Big 8 they were known simply as regional schools that competed in sports.

It's strange to me that other schools would want to give up so much of their own identity to play in a conference that has a hard time distinguishing schools from one another...

Want proof?

What team do you think of when someone says "Tigers"?

Im old enough to remember those days also and I'm going to disagree. There was never any camaraderie towards KSU from the Big 8 schools. All this waxing rhapsodic about how it was so much better before the Texas schools arrived is unmitigated horseshit. You (and your parents obviously) have forgotten that the Big8 was going to be picked apart unless they merged. And it was a merger the Big8 sought out. Not the other way around.

And in the Big 8, once Snydz arrived and started winning football games, I clearly don't remember Nubs, MUtts, Sooners or Buffs being all "conference pridey" about it.

Matter of fact, I recall a whole lot of fans hating that they couldnt get their guarranteed win in football. Forgive me for raining on this little fictional tale of Big8 conference pride.

I think of Missouri, but I don't think that really proves anything because it has more to do with my personal rooting interests than anything objective.

BTW, Texas is still the best football program in the Big 12 even if their team is in a down cycle at the moment.

I'll politely disagree....maybe from your perspective it appeared that way. (BTW, I didn't mention my parents as neither was a MU fan...in fact my mom loathed sports)

And while you see it as (using your words) "unmitigated horseshit" I'm sorry you felt that way. Was KSU really looked down upon that bad or were feelings of inadequacy that high in that town. From your perspective it must have been.

I don't disagree that the Big 8 sought out what was remaining of the SWAC...they felt they had to. But to act like the schools hated each other as much as you infer reeks of hurt feelings.

I think Oklahoma is the best program. Texas is second.

But where things stand right now I think UT slides in #3 behind OK State.

I disagree with your last line...or maybe just a single word of it. Texas wouldn't be THE big gorilla in any other major conference. They would be A big gorilla. The biggest market outside of Texas in the Big 12 is Oklahoma City.

Outside of Texas, there are 9.6 million people living in states with Big 12 teams. Florida has 20 million, and Georgia has 10 million.

Texas is the only state with teams in both conferences, and it has over 26 million people. Take them out of the equation, and here are the states in the two conferences and where that ranks them nationally...

4. Florida. SEC
8. Georgia. SEC
17. Tennessee. SEC
18. Missouri. SEC
23. Alabama. SEC
24. South Carolina. SEC
25. Louisiana. SEC
26. Kentucky. SEC

28. Oklahoma. Big 12
30. Iowa. Big 12

31. Mississippi. SEC
32. Arkansas. SEC

34. Kansas Big 12
38. *West Virginia Big 12



*West Virginia is the smallest state with a BCS school. (Kansas is the third smallest). The Big 12 literally has three teams in states smaller than any state represented in any other BCS conference except for the B1G with Nebraska...whom they poached from the Big 12.

It's impressive that the conference has experienced even the limited amount of success that it has given the demographic imbalance. The problem is that realignment cost the conference it's three biggest markets outside Texas (Denver, Saint Louis, and KC), it's most successful program (Nebraska football), and ripped a gaping hole in Texas (aTm to the SEC).

Oklahoma is easily the best program in the conference.

There were 2 major votes: Headquarters and commish. CU voted against KC and Mizzou voted against Frederick. The old Big 8 schools couldn't band together. Only KSU-Kan-ISU-Nubs stuck together.

The Big 8 needed the SWC to survive obviously, but thank god Texas demanded to only bring ATM, Tech and Baylor. The original agreement was to bring all 8 of them inc Rice, Houston, SMU, etc.....

Just hideous logic. Your numbers are so laughably misleading. Yeah, Texas has 4 Big 12 schools vs 1 SEC but lets toss that out of the comparison entirely . Awful.


And of course Florida has 20M folks. They are all captive SEC fans of course with no alternatives. If what you said had any basis in reality it'd be reflected in tv comp.

Based on what?

My recollection was that the Big 8 really only wanted Texas and A&M. Politics got involved to bring in Baylor (thanks to Anne Richards) and Tech (some Senator got them in ).

I have no memory at all of the Big 8 trying to bring in the entire SWC. The SWC was crumbling and its members were looking everywhere. The Big 8 struck hard and had a home for the 2 most attractive options that would allow them to continue playing each other.

Shocking that Bitch and Wicked are scissoring over their overlords victory

You'd think chafing would have set in by now.

Texas has two schools that people care about, and one of them is now in the SEC out-recruiting the Longhorns. Texas is still more of a Big 12 state that an SEC state by far, but losing aTm was not insignificant by any stretch.

As for Florida, of course there are a lot of FSU fans. The Gators are still the biggest draw in the state, though. The fact that they don't dominate the state the way LSU does prevents them from having an oversized share of political pull with the conference. The SEC is extremely balanced in that regard...so balanced, in fact, that we don't need exit fees. Without exit fees, the Big 12 would look like a kitchen at a restaurant where someone yelled "INS".