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KC_Connection 02-18-2025 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17972659)
He and Bronny will be taking the NBA by storm.

Bronny would be a much better fit at the 4 for this team.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-18-2025 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17972629)
Yes.

I would replace KJ before Dickinson but Self will never do that. Perhaps Self will get angry with Hunters antics. That would be fun.

One has a much higher ceiling.

That is our only chance to actually be what we call...good.

Yeah, a team that's already somewhat offensively-challenged would obviously be better by replacing the most consistent scorer with a player who has limited offensive skills.

That would be one of the easiest teams in the country to defend.

Imagine playing a pickup game, and there's a dude on your team who's bigger than everybody else and getting triple-teamed, while still outscoring and outrebounding everybody on the court. He also passes well out of the double team.

BWillie's takeaway: "We'd have done so much better without that guy!"

Brilliant.

KC_Connection 02-18-2025 03:08 PM

It's obvious that just removing Dickinson from the roster and replacing him with Flory or anyone else currently on it would destroy the team. The stats suggest they wouldn't even be a tournament team the last two years if he wasn't on it.

The actual argument, I think, is whether you could have better spent the $2M you're paying Dickinson on someone else and/or a collection of players that would improve this team more than he has.

Considering his production level (top 3 in college basketball) and the fact that you're still hamstrung with KJ Adams playing 35 minutes a game in any scenario, I still don't think even that really accomplishes anything. You're not finding a better player than Dickinson on the market and any group of players you get still aren't getting significant minutes as long as Self's favorites remain on the roster.

lawrenceRaider 02-18-2025 03:16 PM

Adams and Harris seriously lower the ceiling for the team. Harris peaked (or simply had his deficiencies hidden by a very talented roster) on the title team.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-18-2025 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17972724)
It's obvious that just removing Dickinson from the roster and replacing him with Flory or anyone else currently on it would destroy the team. The stats suggest they wouldn't even be a tournament team the last two years if he wasn't on it.

The actual argument, I think, is whether you could have better spent the $2M you're paying Dickinson on someone else and/or a collection of players that would improve this team more than he has.

Considering his production level (top 3 in college basketball) and the fact that you're still hamstrung with KJ Adams playing 35 minutes a game in any scenario, I still don't think even that really accomplishes anything. You're not finding a better player than Dickinson on the market and any group of players you get still aren't getting significant minutes as long as Self's favorites remain on the roster.

Apparently it's not obvious to some.

KC_Connection 02-18-2025 03:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Flory Bidunga&#39;s stats in his 4-game stretch as a starter (the first four starts of his career): 11 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 3 blocks, 74% FG, 29 MPG.<br><br>KJ Adams&#39; stats in his 14-game stretch where Kansas is 7-7: 7 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block, 46% FG, 29 MPG.</p>&mdash; Rock Chalk Blog (@RockChalkBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1891960103634403648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The students need to do the Flory chant again on Saturday.

smithandrew051 02-18-2025 04:39 PM

KCC, these stats are meaningless when you don’t consider each player’s presence.

Mr. Plow 02-18-2025 05:27 PM

Nobody (outside of maybe BWillie) is saying bench Dickinson. I think most of us are saying he's not the great player you 2 think he is. He isn't the problem on the team, but he's slow, easy to guard..... outside of his over the head cross court pass out of a double to the corner.... and he's an average defender. KJ and Harris are the problems, less so Harris, because in order to be decent Dickinson needs way better players around him than he currently has.

Bearcat 02-18-2025 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 17972729)
Adams and Harris seriously lower the ceiling for the team. Harris peaked (or simply had his deficiencies hidden by a very talented roster) on the title team.

Thread logic says we can't blame him for anything now.

BWillie 02-18-2025 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 17972832)
Nobody (outside of maybe BWillie) is saying bench Dickinson. I think most of us are saying he's not the great player you 2 think he is. He isn't the problem on the team, but he's slow, easy to guard..... outside of his over the head cross court pass out of a double to the corner.... and he's an average defender. KJ and Harris are the problems, less so Harris, because in order to be decent Dickinson needs way better players around him than he currently has.

Harris with enough shooting is not a problem. Harris, KJ and Hunter is criminal. Its why we've been bad for two seasons. Harris is one of our better scorers on this team, though. Which is hilariously sad.

Dickinson is just not a winning basketball player. Some guys arent. They are stat chasers and analytics cannot properly account for them. If you watch KU bball and come away thinking Hunter Dickinson is the thing that could make us a championship contender or not I wonder if your eyes work. The player this team can most ill afford to lose is probably Mayo. Then it's probably Harris even though it should be Bidunga but he's not allowed to play enough to matter as much aa he should. Then down the list would be Dickinson.

smithandrew051 02-18-2025 08:01 PM

Dajuan Mayo KJ Flory Dickinson

Odd starting lineup

BWillie 02-18-2025 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17972912)
Dajuan Mayo KJ Flory Dickinson

Odd starting lineup

Dear god

smithandrew051 02-18-2025 08:09 PM

“KJ is a problem because he can’t shoot, let’s move him to the perimeter”

George Liquor 02-18-2025 08:12 PM

Dajaun already laying bricks

Mr. Plow 02-18-2025 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17972912)
Dajuan Mayo KJ Flory Dickinson

Odd starting lineup

Terrible


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