You asked for a player that made an impact his rookie year and I gave you one. Are you changing the question to make a point? If so, what is your point?

Based on expectations, Dorsey sucked this year. Whether it was him, the coaching or something else - we don't know yet.

Okoye:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#00133f"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2007</td><td align="left">HOU</td><td>16</td> <td>32</td> <td>23</td> <td>9</td> <td>0</td> <td>5.5</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">2008</td><td align="left">HOU</td><td>14</td> <td>24</td> <td>15</td> <td>9</td> <td>2</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
Dorsey:

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#c60024"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2008</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>46</td> <td>32</td> <td>14</td> <td>1</td> <td>1.0</td> <td>1</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>

:drool: Brilliant response, as expected.

They've got him going head on with the guard, not attacking gaps like he was doing in college.

not much to expect when you act like a fuggn dick

How did Dorsey suck? REALLY!

Here's Ron Edwards stats from the 2007 season.

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="stathead" bgcolor="#c60024"><td colspan="20">Defense Stats</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"><td width="8%" align="left">YEAR</td><td width="8%" align="left">TEAM</td> <td>G</td> <td>TOT</td> <td>SOLO</td> <td>AST</td> <td>PD</td> <td>SACK</td> <td>FF</td> <td>REC</td> <td>INT</td> <td>YDS</td> <td>TD</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"><td align="left">2006</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>20</td> <td>15</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> <td>2.5</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"><td align="left">2007</td><td align="left">KAN</td><td>16</td> <td>26</td> <td>23</td> <td>3</td> <td>1</td> <td>3.0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

So the Rookie Dorsey is an improvement over the previous tackle. I'm not saying that Edwards is good or even average, but he was an upgrade over a veteran. He did not bust.

Based on YOUR expectations.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense wouldn't expect a kid who is playing out of position and getting double teamed because he's playing next to Jason ****ing Babin to do any more than he did.

I guess guys like Sapp and Haynesworth were disappointing too.

:rolleyes:

OK, I agree with you. I still think that they're giving him something easier to do at first because he's a rookie. This past year was used to learn the defensive schemes, get used to the game, etc. This offseason is now used to better his technique because the easier things are 2nd nature.

LMAO

I said "Raging crackhead". "Raging".

Get...Herm...the ****...out of the way. Assuming he's a "sticking point" in this negotiation.

Sure, it's tough to evaluate rookie DT play. As a unit, they were the worst in the league. Allocating blame among the various players and coaches for the putrid performance is tough, also. Nonetheless, given the performance of the front four as a whole, I don't see how anyone cannot be disappointed with the whole lot of them. And you're kidding yourself if you think Dorsey would go # 5 or higher in a redraft of the same players.

I guess on the flip side, we'd be wrong to be impressed with Albert and Flowers...since it's too ****ing early to do that.

And Tamba Hali.. don't forget him sucking over at RDE. Were most teams able to double team Tank and Glenn?

Good point. The only thing is that Albert was changing a position, so everyone was ready to give him a little more leeway and didn't expect him to come in with barely any experience and be pretty freaking dominant. I don't have an argument for Flowers though.

I actually think Penz was the only one proclaiming Dorsey a bust.

How often did he collapse the pocket? Did he stuff the run? He was part of a unit that was the worst in NFL history as well as Chiefs history. A top 5 pick and supposedly best player in the draft is supposed to elevate those around him. He was part of the problem. Does it mean he can't turn things around, no. To say he had a good year because he has a few tackle stats on a team that gave up around 5 ypc and couldn't get off the field is an abuse of stats.

It's too early to pencil them in as pro bowl starters for the next 5 years is probably a better analogy.