I’m playing now, but how’bout 2 firsts and Rice for Tyreek and Simmons. We find a way to keep Smith and Brown… we just lay into speed receivers with Hill, Worthy, and Brown and let them fly all over the field lol

Delete your account.

lol fair.

Can the fatties just this once have their own goddamn thread without people talking about Tyreek ****ing Hill????

What if it’s Tyreek at possibly LT

Amen.

I agree with this logic. If McVay doesn’t want him back on a relatively reasonable contract at a premium position, then it does warrant some reflection on how good of a player he actually is. I get that we can’t be too picky given the hole we have there, but it’d be nice to get a long term solution there and not have another Jawaan Taylor - a high priced, average player.

That's why you get a contract that makes it easier to cut him if needed.

Most aren’t gonna sign a contract like that. He’s a young player, at sought after position. There will likely be many suitors. He won’t sign a contract he doesn’t like.

If he’s as good as you guys think there’s absolutely no reason for him to sign anything but a top of the market contract.

Are you out of your mind! 2 firsts and Rice?

Tape looks solid to me.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ladies and Gentlemen, LT (77) Alaric Jackson cutups from the Rams divisional game against the Eagles. <a href="https://t.co/JtDDjvc8NR">pic.twitter.com/JtDDjvc8NR</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1893396204005851569?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Beat me by 4 minutes. I would say that was a very solid performance. He doesn't get pushed back nearly as much as Thuney and keeps his feet moving quite well. Didn't see any plays where his apparent T-Rex arms were a disadvantage. He's going to get paid. Bigly.

Sign him, Blurt!

He did a great job against Sweat...*sigh* if we only had him in the SB

That tape shows a good reason why you can potentially not worry as much about arm length.

When you have 32-33" arms, it can be a problem to handle speed to power and long arm moves. But when you are also 6-7/330 on top of that, you have enough size and weight to re-anchor against those moves.

Sweat and the Eagles didn't do anything different to Jackson than they were doing to Thuney... but it didn't work against Jackson. He wasn't instantly blow into his QBs lap on every single play.

I ****ing hate that that fat piece of Shit Orlando Brown Jr ****ed us over and then signed for cheap with the Bengals.

Would have been tolerable for only $16 million APY.

Would have been a totally different Superbowl if we had this guy, refreshing to see the Eagles DE get it sent back to him a bit. I love Thuney but he is a LG for a reason. With this type of LT play Mahomes has 40+ TD's and like 6 int's

Didn’t he have one of the worst OL rankings last season? He’s not worth that imo.

yeah.

He's not good enough, but he's still better than we had all year.

Here's what I think, if anyone is interested.

I assume a Mahomes restructure at the least is the plan.

Plan A: If you can sign Jackson for sub $20m per for like a 4 year deal, you go ahead and do it. Weight the cap hits to '26 and later to stagger with a likely Thuney retirement/ Taylor cut. I think Morris is the more natural fit at RG, he's got the heavy legs to be a mauler in the phone booth. Kingsley you groom as swing tackle this year and hopefully take over for Taylor at RT in '26.

Plan B: If you think he can return to form, you re-sign Humphries as your stop-gap and compete with Kingsley for a full off-season. But if a Conerly falls to #31 you'd better grab him. If this all happens, you again move Morris to RG.

I don't think Stanley or Matthews hit the market. I don't think Cam Robinson is a guy I want to pay big bucks to. So I think these are the best risk/reward options.

We offered more and he played himself. Got exactly what he wanted. I do t hate him lol. Right now I’d like to have him back to develop Kingsley behind if we’re being honest.

LT Pressure % (Pressures/Pass Block Snaps)

0<4% - T. Wirfs, L. Tunsil, G. Bolles, T. Armstead, J. Mailata, D. Dawkins
4<5% - R. Slater, W. Little, B. Raimann, C. Darrisaw, A. Jackson, C. Lucas, T. Williams, P. Johnson Jr, O. Brown Jr, J. Matthews
5<6% - K. Miller, C. Edoga, B. Jones, T. Smith, T. Guyton, T. Fuaga
6<7% - R. Stanley, B. Coleman, A. Thomas, O. Fashanu, J. Moore, T. Decker, C. Cross, J. Wills, V. Lowe, I. Ekwonu, D. Moore Jr
7%+ - J. Latham, W. Morris, C. Robinson, L. Borom, J. Hudson III, J. Noteboom


LT Negative Play % (Pressures + Penalties/Total Snaps)

0<4% - T. Wirfs, T. Armstead, J. Mailata, B. Raimann, R. Slater, C. Lucas, A. Jackson, W. Little, G. Bolles, T. Williams, J. Matthews, P. Johnson Jr, D. Dawkins, J. Moore, L. Tunsil, C. Darrisaw, T. Decker, C. Edoga
4<5% - R. Walker, D. Moore Jr, K. Miller, O. Brown Jr, R. Stanley, A. Thomas, B. Coleman, T. Fuaga, B. Jones, T. Smith
5<6% - C. Cross, J. Latham, I. Ekwonu, O. Fashanu, V. Lowe
6<7% - W. Morris, C. Robinson, T. Guyton
7%+ - J. Wills Jr, L. Borom, J. Hudson III, J. Noteboom

https://i.ibb.co/WNHKgktf/LT-Ranks.png

Looking at last year's stats, go after Alaric Jackson if he hits FA. If not, maybe bring in competition in Jaylon Moore but focus on the draft.

Based on injury history and this performance, Ronnie Stanley is playing with fire. The rest basically aren't worth it at all.

If you can trade for Armstead, he's stellar. Doubt it's a possibility.

Yeah man those reps against the Eagles have me all aboard the Jackson train

Just because he got ****ed doesn't mean his idiocy has given this franchise a giant ass headache the past two seasons.

I don't know if his presence would have been all we needed to swing the scales back in our favor in the SB, but I doubt it's as much of a massacre as it ended up being.

Jacobs said in that same thread theres a lot of misinformation about his arm length.

What I found was 31.5” arms. What’s the real deal?

Saw 33 7/8

Well heres the deal, I got bad news and good news

Just found out he has the same arm length as Gary Coleman, but the good news is he has apparently found a workaround for it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There were conflicting numbers. The NFL website has listed below. The combine was cancelled in 2021, so numbers were done at Pro Days of the school. There is another number out there. So I guess it is somewhere in between. <a href="https://t.co/9AgiPiM8Md">pic.twitter.com/9AgiPiM8Md</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1893421830964142578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You use the same embed code for CP just as you would any sleek "modern" server

Yeah, I've seen two numbers 32-1/2" and 33-7/8". Mockdraftable has 32-1/2" as well. Not sure what it actually is but he plays just fine with whatever the hell it is.

No...modern forums automatically show the preview with just the link.

Hey **** you! We live and die with this old cougar of a forum!

I love this forum but dangit just want to know how to posts tweets with a preview

1. Click the 3 dots
2. “Embed tweet”
3. Copy/paste code into post

I still think Walker Little could be a longshot possiblility with a new coach and GM in Jacksonville. His contract is for three years. It is a contract that could be traded without wrecking either team. It would most likely be a draft day trade as Jax would have to like someone on the board at 5 to play LT going forward.

I'd love to see the Chiefs pay $20 million/year to a guy who just handled the same pass rush that destroyed our OL.

I don't care how short his arms are. He could be a double amputee for all I care. Protect the franchise at ALL costs.

Thanks man

EXACTLY, we should override any narrative about size/length statistics if a player flat out can ball. Mahomes is not 6'4 - 6'5 which is ideal QB size to see over offensive line.

Also, I just looked up the stats in that Rams/Eagles game and the Rams had 7 sacks, a 10-7 team played the Eagles in their house a lot more competitively than the Chiefs did on neutral field. Our pass rush has a lot of issues it seems as well, so many holes to fix this offseason.

Isn't that an almost identical build to Thuney?

Just seemed awfully easy for teams to get to this chest and shove him back once they committed to it.

But Jackson's been starting for 2 years now and it doesn't seem to have happened to him yet.

I'd just be surprised if he could've been that effective with T-Rex arms. I mean 32.5 inch arms on a 6'5" guy would be pretty surprising.

Mmmm, cougars.

Feels like it was off the rails vs the Texans but they made it work. Eagles just had a way better LB and safety to help cover Kelce.

Thuney playing tackle wasn’t natural for him. Playing an inside the leverage and hand usage is a lot different than covering the outside on an island.

Really sucks they didn’t at least try Humphries after the first 3 drives, especially since Caliendo was getting destroyed seemingly every down by Milton Williams.

The thing I like about Alaric Jackson is he’s 320 lbs and strong enough to not get walked back into the QB the whole game. He also knows how to use his hands and there’s something to be said about that. Mitch Schwartz was very similar. He didn’t have tackle length for his arms but his size and technique made it so hard to beat him.

yeah this is the only forum i’ve been on that makes you do all this lol

His wingspan is statistically average for an offensive tackle at 83" (69th percentile). Not sure how he could have T rex arms with that wingspan.

Wingspan isn't as useful as arm length in terms of determining how you'd 'punch'.

The distinction would be how much of it is made up by torso. If you have a broad torso but short arms, you may have an average wingspan but still have shorter arms. And the broad torso/shoulders won't help you when you're trying to reach and keep someone off you.

Again, I'm not saying he has 32.5 inch arms. That seems on the shorter side for someone with the remainder of his build. I'm just saying that if he does, it's worth a little concern. And when you look at someone like Thuney, it does happen that way sometimes.

I can't find a wingspan for Thuney as a comparison.

Interestingly, you look at someone like Trey Smith -- that's a broad damn dude. wingspan of 82 1/8 (so smaller than Jackson) and arm length of 33 3/4.

Quentin Nelson -- 82 5/8 and 33 3/4 respectively.

Someone like Leatherwood who's reach seemed to force him inside -- 84 5/5 and 33 7/8.

I mean you're not wrong -- the proportions don't seem to work out. I can't find anyone in the 83" wingspan range who's arms are shorter than 33.5 inches. I mean just trying to find arm lengths in the 32s is a struggle and brings me to guys like Joe Tippman and his 80 3/8 wingspan. Cody Mauch was 32 3/8 and 78 7/8.

Creed is at 32 1/2 w/ a 79 1/2 in wingspan.

I just can't find anything remotely comparable in trying to find a guy with a wingspan that long and arms that short. The proportions seem pretty much impossible. Even someone like Slater is at 80 1/8 and 33.

That 32.5 just seems wrong. That or he's just a damn strangely built guy -- but that would seem to run contrary to his relative effectiveness at the position over the last couple of years.

I'm more inclined to believe that the arm length measurement just isn't a good one and based on just about any other proportion I can find out there, if his wingspan is 83" (which would check out based on his height) then his arm length is likely to be in the 33.5-34 range.

I don't know if this is just a bad/lazy scouting report but w/r/t Jackson:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/...ackson-OL-Iowa

Under strengths:

"Tall, reliable blocker with long arms, good agility and a solid initial punch. Knocks rushers off their route."

I mean I'd figure a 6'5" with 32 inch arms would kinda jump off the tape if you're putting a scouting report together, wouldn't it?

Yahoo profiled him as a priority UDFA and said: "Jackson has the size and length to play pretty much any position he wants. He’s 6-foot-5 and 321 pounds with 33 7/8-inch arms and a massive wingspan of 82 3/8 inches."

https://sports.yahoo.com/versatile-o...135823146.html

Meanwhile SI specifically cites his "underwhelming arm length..."

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/alaricjackson

Ourlads says "Arm length is an issue:

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/player/43776/

Man -- the **** if I know. But he played good football. And he's young.

Sign him if you can.

He’s started at tackle for two years. Who gives a crap what his arm length is? You have two seasons and a bunch of preseason games to see how he actually plays.

This is the key for me.

100% agree with holding it against a draft prospect where you’re trying to project how they’ll translate to the NFL.

I just can’t understand it being a major determining factor for a guy already in the NFL who is young and seemingly on an upward trajectory.

Here's the last stupid bit of internet sleuthing I'll attempt on the subject:

https://steelersdepot.com/2021/04/20...laric-jackson/

Steelers depot is actually usually a pretty decent source for information on the guys they've scouted. Moreover, Jonathan Heitritter is an Iowa based fitness guy who worked with Iowa's strength and conditioning program. He references it in the article and ALSO says that Jackson is at 33 7/8.

Gun to my head, I'm saying the 33 7/8 is right and the 32.5 is wrong. There's too much about it that just doesn't pass the sniff test and the sources for the longer arm length seem better to me.

Maybe he was “in the pool” the day he measured shorter.

Matters if you aren't sure how he'll translate from scheme to scheme.

I don't know the Rams pass pro scheme well enough to say with any confidence how much different theirs would be than ours. But if they're doing things designed to cover for that sort of weakness -- well, we've seen how reluctant Andy is to try that.

So if they're going to go into FA and spend real money, they're going to go for a guy like Robinson instead if they think they'd have to 'cover' for Jackson's arm length.

But again, it ain't like they won't have some way of figuring this sort of thing out. That's mostly what the legal tampering period is for at this point. And the tape is the tape.

If they sign him, I'm not gonna worry a bit about the arms because they aren't worried. If they DON'T sign him...well then who gives a shit? He probably sucks anyway.

His build is almost exactly like Dion Dawkins, sans the length. Probably doesn't have near the foot quickness either, but I do appreciate that he's a big ****er that would be hard to run through.

That’s fair.

If the Chiefs don’t sign him, he’s clearly a worthless piece of shit who belongs in prison.

This guy gets it...

I've got shrinkage! Draft me!

Yeah DL gonna be the best value at the end of rd 1 unless it pushes an offensive player down the board.

How many DL go rd 1? Maybe 8?

Abdul Carter
Mason Graham
Jalon Walker
Mike Green
Mykel Williams
Walter Nolen
Shemar Stewart

Nic Scourton or Derrick Harmon could have enormous value for us

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SportsCenter</a>: This years defensive line class is absolutely loaded—the best group overall since 2019. We could see 10 or more picked in the first round. <a href="https://t.co/cMcFxIhbv1">pic.twitter.com/cMcFxIhbv1</a></p>&mdash; Jordan Reid (@Jordan_Reid) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jordan_Reid/status/1894032113877344354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DL is a MONSTER group this year.

I think when we're on the board the pick will be pretty clear for us and it's gonna be a DL. There's a ton of talent and it's awfully deep at the position. Scourton is a guy that I keep coming back to but it seems 50/50 at best that he's there (and that 50/50 is probably optimistic).

I feel like the 2nd round DEs in this class are all better prospects than FAU was and the DT class is unreal.

yeah - there are probably a dozen DL that are likely to go in the 2nd or 3rd that I'd have taken over FAU.

I wasn't high on FAU, but the DL class is that good.

I think we'll hear more and more about it being a special class as draft season progresses. We do NOT want to be chasing OT in this draft, fellas -- it's just not the time.

Overpay for Robinson if you need to. Sign Humphries if you have to. Pray that Jackson hits the market if you have God's ear.

But don't go nuts chasing a LT prospect -- this ain't the class to do it. The pure talent isn't there and the opportunity cost would be ENORMOUS. I mean the idea of trading our 1st and 2nd to go up for someone like Conerly at the cost of Scourton and Deone Walker just makes me throw up in my mouth.

We could set this DL up for a half-decade if we get things right this year. Let's do THAT.

If you can't gimme Armstead or Jackson, just bring back Humphries for a duel with Suamataia and company

Either go big, or trust more in your scouts and coaches

Yes!

Really gonna be a fun combine/pro day OT off season! Wish the Combine would hurry up and start!

Yeah. I don’t see how you draft a project tackle over this kind of prospect.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nic Scourton is well-rounded edge prospect.<br><br>He’s 6’4, 285lbs yet moves incredibly well and is known for his signature spin move. He’s also one of the better run defenders in this class.<br><br>78 pressures and 12 sacks in the last 2 seasons at Purdue and Texas A&amp;M. Top 50 player. <a href="https://t.co/FNFSnptJWC">pic.twitter.com/FNFSnptJWC</a></p>&mdash; NFL Draft Files (@NFL_DF) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DF/status/1888653946258125288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Or this…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oregon DT Derrick Harmon <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BuildingTheBoard?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BuildingTheBoard</a><br><br>Harmon spent three years at Michigan State where he was a solid run stopper (81.1 PFF grade vs the run) but wasn&#39;t much of a factor as a pass rusher. Before the 2024 season he transfered to Oregon and completely transformed his body and… <a href="https://t.co/XshQVDXon1">pic.twitter.com/XshQVDXon1</a></p>&mdash; Chicago Football Connection (@CFCBears) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFCBears/status/1893085380829700536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 21, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Feels like 2016 when we got Chris Jones, which was also a loaded DL class.

Love Scourton and Harmon, just don't think they make it to us.

There's a legit chance both of those guys are top 20 players. I'm not going to hold out hope for either, especially Scourton. But eh, strange things happen and I could be wrong.

Hell, I'd be happy as **** with Tuimoloau and Walker or some near combination.

Agree on the DL class.

You can try to hit a longshot HR on an OT ... or you can dip into the DL (or even double-dip in the first two days).

It's a pretty easy call.

Are we sure one of them won’t fall? I mean look at this DL class man.

Abdul Carter
Mason Graham
Jalon Walker
Mike Green
Walter Nolen
Shemar Stewart
Mykel Williams

That’s 7 before including James Pearce (should go rd 1 despite off field stuff).

Scourton and Harmon make that 10. It’s gonna be close

I feel Shemar Stewart, man the production just doesn't meet the potential. Maybe if he just permanently bumps down inside he'll be alot more productive. Mykel Williams, I feel the same but to a slightly lesser extent.

Harmon and Scourton just seemed to flash more pure disruption than both of those guys for me.

Harmon feels pretty likely to me.

Flip the odds on Scourton and you won't be too far off, IMO. 2-1 against on Scourton; slightly worse than 40/60. 2-1 in favor on Harmon; slightly better than 60/40.

Fun with stupid combined probability games says there's about a 75% chance ONE of them ends up available to is at that point.

But hey, I could live with Williams and Walker just fine...

Stewart would be the most likely of that group to slide. And I think Pearce still goes top 15 - the talent is LOUD.

Stewart and Walker. Or Willams and Sanders. Or Harmon and Princely. Or Grant and Tuimoloau.

There are literally dozens of double dip scenarios that aren't incredibly unlikely and could all fundamentally transform our DL.

I’ve also seen Donovan Ezeiruaku in the mix there too. It’s a really stacked class.

And objectively our 3 biggest problems were LT, offensive playmakers and pass rush. LT seems like it’s not worth it this year, Worthy and Rice help the playmaker issue as well as a strong RB class and the pass rush.

I’m not sure living off of Spags blitzes is sustainable long term. Great at it but man you can only blitz so many ways before teams can see it enough.

We should probably double down in rd 1 and 3. Chris is gonna start aging soon and if we draft well enough we could be in a position to not pay Karlaftis if he wants elite money.

Man.

The more I look at the DL class, the more I just hope KC goes and grabs Alaric Jackson and double dips at DT and DE in the first two rounds.

Totally worth it.

Rams sure didn’t regret it last year…

Yup.

Use free agency for the places that this draft isn’t great.

Play to the strengths of the draft.

Give me Jackson, a pass catcher (probably Hollywood), and a DB in free agency.

Load up that DL and grab a RB in the draft.

You can bargain hunt for the rest.

I’m game. Assuming we do find a quality LT in FA and my preference would be to keep Smith, if so, then the draft is wide open for BPA.

Gotta get cheaper at RG. Can’t have a massively expensive IOL with two expensive tackles too.

Thuney will probably be extended to help. One more year of Taylor, so we’ll see some relief.

I just can’t see undoing to the relief with another expensive guard contract.

Drafted Nourzad, Kingsley, and Wanya. One of them needs to be the answer to get a rookie contract starting.

if you hit on the DL picks, you can even splurge on Robinson if the floor of Jackson concerns you.

The answer to LT is free agency.

While we hope that we can use FA for LT, that doesn't mean it will be a reality.

The draft also has good LT prospects, it just doesn't have many of them.

I also understand not wanting to blow capital to move up for one because of the value there will be at other positions in the 2nd and 3rd round but that doesn't mean you dismiss LT.

No matter what, LT is the 2nd most important position in the sport