Stupid to restructure PM. We have 28M in space.

Only restructure if $ is needed otherwise it just makes PMs cap hit more than it needs to be in future years.

Do you ignore reality? There was no slow playing of negotiations. Hill wasn't going to sign until the free agent WR carousel got sorted out and that included Adams who was widely presumed to get record-breaking money.

In what alternate reality would it have made sense for Hill to agree to his extension earlier than that?

I'd say to stop because you're embarrassing yourself, but that hasn't stopped you in months.

Or if Clark Hunt had any sort of presence to not be a reactionary idiot.

We actually have less than that after these last 8-ish small signings, but your point stands.

We kept Frank Clark and gave Hill away for peanuts. As everybody in our division improved their roster over the off-season.

I don't know what the hell Veach is thinking. But you don't let a hall a fame player go in his prime. Especially when your Franchise quarterback already has exactly dog shit for weapons at the wide receiver position.

It would be a sad day if Kelce left.

EDIT: 9 signings.

Luq Barcoo
Blake Bell
Deon Bush
Geron Christian
Corey Coleman
Chad Henne
Elijah Lee
Derrick Nnadi
Austin Reiter

Lol...maybe he thinks waddles a QB

Dorsey was Andy Reid puppet get over Dorsey he got fired and can't keep a GM job anywhere.


No matter the draft picks we pick you are going hate them and bitch and moan about them. No matter what the Chiefs do you don't like. Did Veach **** your wife? Or when is the last time you got laid man? I'm in a lot of pain from breathing issues but I'm not a miserable fan that can't enjoy all the success that Andy Reid and Veach gave us. Also as the years go by so will any draft pick from Dorsey they won't stay here forever.


Veach revamped our offensive line that was depleted in one offseason. This is going be one of the best offensive lines in the NFL that will be like Dick Vermiel Offensive line only nastier Trey Smith likes to bully linebackers or any defender he is going pancake. We haven't had a losing record under Andy Reid and we won't again this year we will be in contention for a Super Bowl.

You are just a hater . The first pick of the Draft you will pop off how bad of a pick it was and so on every pick you won't like . Please go find another team or something. We are still building a dynasty and now we got the tools to do it because of a trade that nets 5 draft picks. One guy that defenses figured out or 5 fresh flesh that develop and dominate.

Look how many people rip on you and you still don't ****ing get it. I'm going say Veach ****ed your wife or your sister or your mom.

I'm surprised they got what they did considering it was contract time and Adam's big deal. Id hardly call those picks + cap room, 'peanuts'.

Peanuts? We got 5 draft picks. Holy shit that's a pretty good haul and gives us ammo in the draft to get solid players and revamp our D line and get pass rushers and we have our own picks so we are loaded with picks. This may go down as best draft ever next to drafting Patrick Mahomes.

Veach was thinking long term success and whats best for the team. No way was Tyreek worth the most WR money because that screws our cap space and not be able retain Orlando Brown

I don't know how the numbers compare up exactly. But it feels like we received better compensation in the Jared Allen trade. Allen was a great player but Hill is a hall a famer. Either way I am not trading Hill for anything less than multiple first round picks.

Other than Mahommes he was the best player on our team. Super bowl teams don't trade away a hall a fame player in their prime.

OH NOES, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

I love Hill. I wish him the best in Miami. Hell, I root for him except when he plays against us. BUT....Professional Football is a business. He went to get PAID.I will root harder for his replacement. Veach negotiated the best deal he could. I'm good. We good.

I know exactly what the feeling in the pit of my stomach was, what I felt the morning Willie Roaf retired. Predicted 4-5 years of pain that day, and it turned out to be a decade. More confidence in a bounceback here, but the enormity of the setback is about the same. Confidence in a bounceback is hopefulness more than confidence, to be fully frank. But it is hopefulness. Future is wide open, but a lot of people need to learn from a lot of mistakes so we can be successful in more diverse ways, if we don't have '**** it, reek down there somewhere' to save our bacon in tight situations.

Is como the dumbest Chiefs fan on CP?

Yes sir! Love that show!

Patriots did it all the time how'd that work out for them? Not wanting to be like the Patriots but getting rid of players just before their prime is up and hauling in draft picks Patriots got rid of HOFers for their team. If you can upgrade multiple possessions of need and fix many things and get younger and stronger and save cap space for a rainy day or an acquisition can't resist.

Keeping Tyreek would have cost this team ability to improve on both sides of the ball and others that deserve a nice pay day you can say goodbye too.

Keeping Tyreek at the cost he wanted would have been detrimental to this team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A final note on <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> trading Tyreek Hill to <a href="https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MiamiDolphins</a>. Hill wanted to beat Davante Adams deal or had no interest in staying in KC. No team discount in play and team was concerned about him being a distraction without a deal getting done. Best move for both parties.</p>&mdash; Jeffri Chadiha (@jeffrichadiha) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeffrichadiha/status/1507049274453987335?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly this. The window is shut now for awhile. No guarantee if /when it will open again. You keep him, the window remains open. It is for that reason that I'd have kept him, since he was under contract, and probably paid him next season. Sure we got draft picks, and a chance to re-tool quickly, but Varch can't miss on them. Regardless, none will be another Reek.

It's a LITTLE more than hindsight, it's relevant to assessing the propositions that Mahomes alone can fix all problems that get thrown at the franchise and Reid and Veach don't make mistakes.

So basically what you are saying is that Hill was the entire reason we were competing for Superbowls.

BULL ****ING SHIT

Our window is open every year we have Patrick Mahomes. We will have a better defense because we traded Tyreek Hill and we can find other WR in the draft. We don't need another Reek he couldn't out jump DBs to catch the ball and tipped for interceptions . We are going have a stout defense because we traded away Tyreek Hill and our offense will be humming along just fine because Patrick will spread the ball around. We've played games without Tyreek and still put up 30+ points. Our offensive line is a cohesive unit that will be in the business of pancaking defenders. We revamp our defensive line we can win the war in the trenches. This trade is a blessing and will pay off for years to come. Maybe some rookies will struggle but every player starts somewhere. Tyreek was a 4th round pick we can find a stud WR in just about any round.

This trade is best for Chiefs to stay competitive for a long time and compete for championships. Our offense will be just fine and our defense line is going be stout so relax. We have not had a losing record under Andy Reid and we wont' this year either.

Nobody is saying either of these things.

It's also a tough move to make when your franchise player signed a deal that is flexible to help the team. Do you then give big money to the guy being completely inflexible also?

Tyreek got his ring and getting paid mattered to him more than anything, looks it was just time to move on.

Literally nobody is saying that.

When you have an elite HC/QB/GM trio, you have A LOT more room for error though.

Sneed, mother ****er!

Bolton.

Gay.

Fenton.

And I still believe in Thornhill.

Name 1 player of Hills caliber that New England traded away in their prime.

Oh I know it will just right now it is a tough pill to swallow. I feel like though we picked CJ over Hill and I think that was the wrong decision. I would have rode with Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce until their wheels fell off but that is just me.

He acts like every ****ing GM hits on every ****ing pick.

He still doesn’t understand that every pick is a dart throw. Dude needs to change his name to bleeding vagina.

Plenty have said exactly that, and every time I suggest it's an idiotic take, I get tons of pushback and passionate anger.

Let’s be clear… in order for the Chiefs to “win” this trade, Veach needs to land an instant WR1 in the draft.

If the likes of Miami, Cincinnati and Minnesota can all hit on instant impact WR1’s in recent drafts then there is no excuse for Veach not to aggressively identify/draft a WR1 and for Andy Reid and his coaching staff to ensure the rookie WR has immediate success.

If the idea is to replace Tyreek with a combination of broke dick complimentary (at best) free agent WR’s and then draft Pringle/DRob-level replacements in the middle rounds of the draft… then the trade is a failure.

You don’t waste a season with a 26 year Patrick Mahomes by doing a “reset”, or “step back”… it’s still Super Bowl or bust.

Don't if this was posted or not but sounds like we were close until the Davante deal.

You'd have to show some examples of it, otherwise, most are going to just chalk it up to you being emotional. Like staylor said...

I don't think anyone really knows what Veach will do in this situation. It's partly his own fault because he's traded picks for players, but Veach has only had 1 first round pick in 4 years, and that was pick 32 at the end of the 1st round so that barely counts. The team has been so good he's barely had any top 50 picks even.

Case in point, people get hella mad every time I characterize the franchise in recent years as Entourage, Vinny Mahomes and a bunch of Turtles. But they also get hella mad that I explain myself in detail, because it's all 'babbling.'

And here, Meck and DJ make the EXACT SAME POINT in a more verbose manner, and everyone says, 'huh, makes sense.'

Two of those guys were top 10 picks though. And even then it's really hard to find a WR who will impact right away, Chase and Jefferson have basically rewritten history with what they've done. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Keeping Tyreek and his contract would have made things significantly harder. Only 1 draft pick in the top 60, no cap space.

Regardless of Tyreek staying or not we need a replacement for Charvarious Ward, Chris Jones (contract ends after 2023) , Frank Clark and Okafor/Ingram. Dude our DL and corner situations are BAD.

We now have 4 picks in the top 62 and cap space open to solve those problems. This is a very good draft for WR, DL and corner. We have a great opportunity.

It’s up to Veach and the scouts to find the right players

Catch 22, . . . I devote the time to track down and document everyone who has said it, . . . you shrug and call me obsessed.

And then all I've done is waste my time and given you another reason to do what you want to do all along, deride my positions without rebutting them.

You disagree, that's fine. You assert I'm making shit up or lying, or having an ulterior motive, . . . not as fine.

So basically, you are on the "Mahomes is only good because of his weapons" train, that everyone outside of KC seems to be on.

I don't agree. The measure of success does not hinge on adequately replacing hill. The measure is what Veach does with the draft picks acquired. The chiefs should still contend.

I'm not the one that said....

Nobody is saying that. People may be saying that because of those 3 we have a better chance than average, but nobody is saying just BECAUSE of those 3 we will overcome any mistakes.

You are the one who said it, it's not on me to prove it.

We are going to lose the ability for Mahomes to run around and have Tyreek use his speed to get open down the field and play streetball, but defenses were basically selling all the way out to stop that already.

The other missing factor here is we have Andy Reid. He's going to get the most out of the guys we do have.

The Chiefs didn’t become the Chiefs under Andy Reid through free agency.

All these guys we talk about. Mahomes, Tyreek, Kelce, Jones. They were all drafted.

That’s how you win in this league. Draft well

The train I am on is great/Tyreek-caliber playmakers gives any QB and team a better chance to have success… seems pretty obvious.

Veach needs to go draft an instant WR1.

Are you serious? Franchise tag hill next year and then trade him, which is what the packers did with davante Adams. There is No reason to trade hill this year.

Here comes the shit talking

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Como is Tyreek Hill. That’s a huge twist.

I don't remember anyone ever saying signing Clark was going to cost us Hill down the road, and I'm quite certain Veach didn't expect that either.

Clark was a position of need 3 years ago so they tried to fill that need. No way to know the WR market was going to go absolutely insane in 3 years and Hill was going to decide he wanted be #1 in pay with no budging. Frankly I'm still shocked he pulled this shit.

So yea its hindsight.

I do know my biggest wish for this offseason was a better defense. Still hoping for that.

Pretty sure Dorsey was out of KC and it was Veach/Andy in 2019 who were Tyreek’s biggest advocates when many wanted to end his football career after the (false) child abuse allegations.

Show some class/appreciation, Tyreek.

I would point out the flaw in your idea but its been explained to you about 50 times and you still keep regurgitating the same shit and ignoring what you are being told.

You assholes have me agreeing with Marcellus. Come on now.

Yea, that kind of rubs me the wrong way to be honest.

**** him. I was sad/sentimental yesterday, now he’s the enemy like everybody else.

This is going to make the narrative drivers upset

I can’t tell if he’s trying to replace Reid’s name with Dorsey or if he’s saying to add Dorsey to that list. Either way I don’t really give a shit.

The curtains are starting to be lifted. Kind of see why Veach traded him now. Dude was a selfish prick and didn’t want to restructure to get money instantly and now this.

Him and Rosenhaus tried to strong arm us into paying him a ridiculous salary.

Yeah. Veach did the right thing

That's the thing, EVERYTHING optimistic goes back to Mahomes being a supernatural talent.

And we just eliminated his most potent force multiplier, but everything is going to be fine because Reid and Veach are awesome [for drafting Mahomes] so they won't use our draft picks to assemble a historically bad defense like they did, or a bunch of scrub WRs outside Tyreek, like they did. They'll do awesome rebuilding an entire team because they drafted Mahomes.

The irony is, if people were correct about my ulterior motivations, I would be super stoked about this. If I hated Mahomes, and wanted a return of Marty ball, I'd be ECSTATIC that Mahomes lost his security blanket and our best chance to return to championship form would be to draft defense and a running game.

I want the franchise to succeed with the lot we have at present. If everything goes well, good players are drafted, emerging talents start paying dividends, units start gelling in schemes, etc., well be well positioned to do so.

But that's the story for EVERY franchise in a parity league, and no one outside Mahomes and Kelce have an outsized pedigree in performing above average in their respective roles.

I'd love to think, with all our draft capital, Spags and Reid are philosophically set to mold WHATEVER talent we collect into WHATEVER form of excellence maximizes that talent. Maybe we're a bruising running team [with the O-Line we've assembled, that would be a shortcut. Maybe we get a ravenous set of pass rushers. Maybe we luck into a Chase-level WR that miraculously drops to us. The possibilities are endless.

But they're philosophically set in their ways and dependent on long learning curves to get teams to perform exactly as they envisioned in their head and drafted in their existing schemes. Which means we're more likely in for a lot more beautiful ideas that the personnel have trouble executing, for at least a while.

Nick Wright is all of us. LMAO

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If you has the chance to be the highest paid at your job you'd do the same. Stop with the false narratives.

That’s fine. I’m happy for him. I’m glad that Veach did what was best for us.

NFLN carrying Tyreek’s presser in Miami.


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Yup agree Veach did a great job given the situation now if he can hit this draft out of the park we'll be fine

I agree with the approach of layers but if we're being honest about what set us back year was a series of mistakes made by Veach in the past. Poor drafting/Clark trade at the edge really sticks out

No I wouldnt I'd go work at place i enjoyed the most because id be confident enough in my abilities to know ill be well off either way. Especially if the place i enjoyed the most hey played a huge part in getting me to where I was.

Money isn't everything to every person and there's numerous examples of people turning down high paying jobs for a variety of reasons.

Yeah you would turn down millions. Sure you would.

You are not paying attention.. Cap space and picks..

Tyreek Hill coming up in Miami on NFLN.

Veach is really set for this draft. We can package our two new picks to get to the top 15. We can use our two firsts to get into the top 10. Or we could use the two new picks with our first and go all the way to a top 5 pick and get someone who is best at his position.

Or just stay pat and get four potentially solid players.

This isn't you going from delivering pizzas and giving blowjobs on the corner to getting millions a year Billay.

This a 20%ish increase in pay and no I wouldn't leave my job to move to a more expensive area for a 20% pay increase.

I don’t expect anybody else to, but I absolutely would.

I understand why somebody wouldn’t though.

“My agent wanted me to kiss him on the mouth…”

Funny being lectured by someone who makes less money than me lol. It's still millions of dollars God damn you are such a moron

LMAO dude we all know you aint making shit.

I think the only argument for taking less is how much different is your life at $20m/year vs $25m/year. But I also think 0 taxes, loving the area, and the weather definitely factor in. Not sure he even gets to the playoffs with Tua but happy for the guy. Wish it had worked out but time to turn the page…

Really? Cause I can live adequately on low income because I don't spend money on much. And I fail to see how an earning window of making 21m or 30m is do or die.

You'll never be able to convince me otherwise because I simply don't value things and money the same way others do. Plus there is always more opportunity if you work for it. I mean it's not as though football players never make another dollar again after they quit playing.

I agree with this. Its not like this was his first big contract or he wasn't going to very wealthy anyway. Maybe KC should have signed him for longer a few years ago now that I think about it.

Mahomes left $ out there.

Kelce left money out there.

Hill went for the max $. Its certainly his right but again that comes with criticism as well from fans at times.

This reminds me of Pujols going to the Angels. Hopefully like with Pujols and the Cards its a blessing in disguise.

I think Tyreek would be doing just fine if he accepted the contract the Chiefs offered him.

Tyreek was screwed out of getting his legit market value in his previous contract extension in 2019 because that took place during the child abuse smear campaign… I don’t blame him for trying to make up for that now and get every possible $$$.

This. I don't understand how that's a dis on the Chiefs or whatever...

...but mostly, I don't give a shit either...

I'm sure I make more than you. You work in a warehouse loser lol

You’re missing the overall.

People act like Hill’s talent is in a vacuum. It isn’t. His contract, age, and other needs factor in.

Yes, this team is substantially better by replacing Hill with a lesser talent provided they upgrade at RT, DE, CB, and add depth. Why is this hard for people to accept?

We won’t be replacing Hill’s talent, but we can absolutely field a better team with the resources this trade nets us.