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Chris Meck 01-16-2023 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 16741642)
He's a clear cut upgrade for a number of teams
yeah,he's somewhere around QB15ish.

backinblack 01-16-2023 09:19 PM
really hope Mark and Josh are watching Tom Brady play tonight, and maybe changing their minds

you really think he will do better next year on the Raiders than he is doing in this game?

Eureka 01-16-2023 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by backinblack (Post 16742327)
really hope Mark and Josh are watching Tom Brady play tonight, and maybe changing their minds

you really think he will do better next year on the Raiders than he is doing in this game?
Well he’ll have great weapons and an offensive coordinator he’s familiar with so there could be something there. Might be a good fit if they draft a rookie to sit.

Guess I’d rather go with Stidham.

lawrenceRaider 01-17-2023 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by backinblack (Post 16742327)
really hope Mark and Josh are watching Tom Brady play tonight, and maybe changing their minds

you really think he will do better next year on the Raiders than he is doing in this game?
Raiders need to spend the money they saved from moving on from Carr on the defense first. Fixing the right side of the OL second. Then hope a QB falls to us in round 2 and getting a stop gap vet on the cheap for 2023.

kccrow 01-17-2023 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16741265)
Carr has a no trade clause. Is he going to play ball with the team showing him the door like that?
If I were him, I'd tell them to get ****ed. If he gets cut instead of traded he's probably going to make even more money (especially guaranteed), can absolutely pick his destination (not that he can't in a trade, but a team may be less willing to part with draft picks than merely sign him), and the team he goes to isn't giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick (which it's likely going to take to get him) which only helps his new team.

Carr has the Raiders by the balls. He should squeeze extra hard.

Wisconsin_Chief 01-17-2023 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16743101)
If I were him, I'd tell them to get ****ed. If he gets cut instead of traded he's probably going to make even more money (especially guaranteed), can absolutely pick his destination (not that he can't in a trade, but a team may be less willing to part with draft picks than merely sign him), and the team he goes to isn't giving up a 1st or 2nd round pick (which it's likely going to take to get him) which only helps his new team.

Carr has the Raiders by the balls. He should squeeze extra hard.
Absolutely, but he seems like too nice of a guy to do it.

He should proceed with the exact mindset you just laid out, but he's kind of a pussy. Hopefully his agent is smart enough to make him realize he owes the Raiders exactly jack and shit.

Hog's Gone Fishin 01-17-2023 10:59 AM
Raiders should trade Carr to Denver straight up for Wilson. Wilsons a proven leader and would make the Raiders instant contenders. All Denver needs is a QB that wears Mascara to get them over the hump with that great defense.

Then they can legit battle for 4th place.

TLO 01-17-2023 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 16743129)
Raiders should trade Carr to Denver straight up for Wilson. Wilsons a proven leader and would make the Raiders instant contenders. All Denver needs is a QB that wears Mascara to get them over the hump with that great defense.

Then they can legit battle for 4th place.
The Chargers might give them a run for 4th place with their cap situation

kccrow 01-17-2023 11:21 AM
There are only about 10-12 QBs a year that throw for over 4000 yards and Carr did it for 3 straight seasons before McDumbass arrived. Somehow, McD decided Carr was total shit just "a few weeks" into the season and then the offense was worse than it was the year before despite better players.

Raider nation should probably come to grips with getting a shit coach and probably not be so gleeful their QB is going elsewhere.

If he goes to the NFC South, he's winning that division and getting a chance to play for the championship he desires. Carolina makes the absolute most sense to me from his perspective. He'd have a WR capable of being top-5 caliber to throw to, a good running game, and a fairly solid defense behind him if the offense is good.

As for Carolina, they have two 2nd round picks. Absolutely swing one for Carr. I wouldn't trade my 1st, but I'd give my higher 2nd. Take Mayer at the 9th pick so he has a TE to pair up in the passing game with DJ Moore.

jdubya 01-17-2023 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16743112)
Absolutely, but he seems like too nice of a guy to do it.

He should proceed with the exact mindset you just laid out, but he's kind of a pussy. Hopefully his agent is smart enough to make him realize he owes the Raiders exactly jack and shit.
If only all of us could get screwed by the Raiders as badly as they screwed Derek. Just a few years ago he was the highest paid QB in the NFL. His net worth is hovering around $80 to $100 million. Poor guy......Raiders should be ashamed

htismaqe 01-17-2023 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16742212)
Not an unreasonable post.

But I will tell you, don’t buy in too much. You’re on it. Ziegler matters more than McD. Especially right now. I’m guessing McDouche can scheme. If Ziegler can’t get Dudes that can play in, the message gets stale quick. The saying goes it's not about the X's and O's its about the Jimmies and Joes. Its kind of right, scheme matters not if personnel is shit. but it does matter.

And it’s a problem. Nick Caserio is on record saying he had to go talk to Kraft about trades Belicheat would do without consulting ANYONE in personnel. Obviously Franchise Killer Pioli didn’t know ****all about personnel.

And the detail stuff might be fine for Belicheat who has shit locked down, but it typically isn’t for teams that blow ass. Essentially mental capacity is limited and using it on dumb shit (like gum wrappers and interrogating staff about leaks - like Pioli) leads to missing the boat on big shit (like oh hey, maybe we should figure out if Casshole can play). Ultimately you work on the big shit first and once you’re competent then you can dial in on the little shit.

Maybe McDouche has figured that out. But reading between the lines, it sounds like Cheatriot shit. Pioli sent some goon looking mother****ers to games to make sure everybody was compliant on the sidelines. Nevermind the tire fire on the field. Clark also had to settle some legitimate employee lawsuits because Pioi was a Nazi. Maybe he’s figured it out maybe he hasn’t.

All I can say is good luck. I’m a never a Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag kind of guy, but maybe it will be different this time.
It won't be.

McDouche benched Carr 1) because they didn't want to pay him if he got hurt and 2) he wanted to get his Patriot boy Stidham on the field.

It's the same Patriot Way shit they always do and it never works. Hell, it doesn't even work in New England anymore now that they don't have Brady.

Eleazar 01-17-2023 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16743268)
It won't be.

McDouche benched Carr 1) because they didn't want to pay him if he got hurt and 2) he wanted to get his Patriot boy Stidham on the field.

It's the same Patriot Way shit they always do and it never works. Hell, it doesn't even work in New England anymore now that they don't have Brady.
I really don't understand the incestuous need for anyone associated with the Belichick tree to glom onto players the Patriots have cast off. They've historically been really good at letting guys go at the right time, before the value proposition went downward, and trading for people like Stidham is exactly the kind of thing the Patriots don't do.

New World Order 01-17-2023 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16742856)
Raiders need to spend the money they saved from moving on from Carr on the defense first. Fixing the right side of the OL second. Then hope a QB falls to us in round 2 and getting a stop gap vet on the cheap for 2023.
Mcdaniels is on the verge of getting fired.

He's going to have to be aggressive and get a qb.

Wisconsin_Chief 01-17-2023 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16743258)
If only all of us could get screwed by the Raiders as badly as they screwed Derek. Just a few years ago he was the highest paid QB in the NFL. His net worth is hovering around $80 to $100 million. Poor guy......Raiders should be ashamed
Not saying he got screwed at all, just that if the Raiders want to move on, he should get the most out of the situation for himself.

His contract is structured in a way that he can take full advantage of, and he should absolutely do so.

Red Dawg 01-17-2023 12:23 PM
Why would Brady want the Raiders? I can understand his coach is there and they do have good skill players, strong running game but the defense is trash and it's in the AFC. Despite what we may think of the other teams in our divison they are not easy outs. Chiefs twice, Chargers twice and Denver defense twice. Then to get to the SB Bengals, Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Miami and the Browns will be better and settled in with Watson. The best team are in the AFC and he's almost 46 and take hits.

Raiders would be foolish to take a 1 year flyer on a 46 year old QB that is declining. The only team that could get away with it is SF and maybe they don't want him. Raiders may be the only team willing and has a good enough roster for him to say yes.

Gronk would join him for one last try.

Sassy Squatch 02-02-2023 08:27 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derek Carr from the top rope �� <a href="https://t.co/IA4i4FJmpm">pic.twitter.com/IA4i4FJmpm</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1621304496990068738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

MahomesIsTheMVP 02-02-2023 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16786343)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derek Carr from the top rope �� <a href="https://t.co/IA4i4FJmpm">pic.twitter.com/IA4i4FJmpm</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1621304496990068738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Pro Bowl games were pathetic.

irafreak 02-03-2023 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16786343)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Derek Carr from the top rope �� <a href="https://t.co/IA4i4FJmpm">pic.twitter.com/IA4i4FJmpm</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1621304496990068738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I've always kind of liked Derek carr. That was great.

MarkDavis'Haircut 02-03-2023 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 16743324)
Not saying he got screwed at all, just that if the Raiders want to move on, he should get the most out of the situation for himself.

His contract is structured in a way that he can take full advantage of, and he should absolutely do so.
My fellow Raiders fans think he should fall on the sword for the management that benched him. ROFL

Coochie liquor 02-03-2023 11:38 PM
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Valiant 02-04-2023 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16743198)
There are only about 10-12 QBs a year that throw for over 4000 yards and Carr did it for 3 straight seasons before McDumbass arrived. Somehow, McD decided Carr was total shit just "a few weeks" into the season and then the offense was worse than it was the year before despite better players.

Raider nation should probably come to grips with getting a shit coach and probably not be so gleeful their QB is going elsewhere.

If he goes to the NFC South, he's winning that division and getting a chance to play for the championship he desires. Carolina makes the absolute most sense to me from his perspective. He'd have a WR capable of being top-5 caliber to throw to, a good running game, and a fairly solid defense behind him if the offense is good.

As for Carolina, they have two 2nd round picks. Absolutely swing one for Carr. I wouldn't trade my 1st, but I'd give my higher 2nd. Take Mayer at the 9th pick so he has a TE to pair up in the passing game with DJ Moore.
Why trade when you know they have to release him? You then get to create a contract you both want instead of guaranteeing his current one.

Carr holds all the cards. He is ****ing over the raiders my not extending the period.

Don't get me wrong, raiders were wise to bench him so he didn't get hurt. But now they have no leverage.

Eureka 02-04-2023 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Valiant (Post 16788297)
Why trade when you know they have to release him? You then get to create a contract you both want instead of guaranteeing his current one.

Carr holds all the cards. He is ****ing over the raiders my not extending the period.

Don't get me wrong, raiders were wise to bench him so he didn't get hurt. But now they have no leverage.
Today the Raiders allowed Carr to talk to certain teams who have already agreed on compensation if a trade transpires.

old_geezer 02-04-2023 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 16788373)
Today the Raiders allowed Carr to talk to certain teams who have already agreed on compensation if a trade transpires.
Seriously, if I was Carr I'd politely tell the Raiders that I'll talk to them in a couple of weeks. :evil:

RunKC 02-04-2023 02:15 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN: Lot of Saints buzz about them being a landing spot for Derek Carr.</p>&mdash; Chris Rosvoglou (@RosvoglouReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/status/1621515465435779074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FloridaMan88 02-04-2023 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16788391)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN: Lot of Saints buzz about them being a landing spot for Derek Carr.</p>&mdash; Chris Rosvoglou (@RosvoglouReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/status/1621515465435779074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He’d easily be the best QB in that trash division.

The Franchise 02-04-2023 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16788391)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From ESPN: Lot of Saints buzz about them being a landing spot for Derek Carr.</p>&mdash; Chris Rosvoglou (@RosvoglouReport) <a href="https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/status/1621515465435779074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
With what ****ing money?

Eureka 02-04-2023 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by old_geezer (Post 16788377)
Seriously, if I was Carr I'd politely tell the Raiders that I'll talk to them in a couple of weeks. :evil:
He could do that. The Raiders could also play hardball.

Probably best for both to work out a trade of Carrs liking. Many reasons why he'd want to keep his current contract.




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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16788409)
With what ****ing money?
With the picks they got from the Broncos (1&2) they could ask the Raiders to absorb a big chunk of the salary for a decent compensation. Saints would get a decent QB, have a good defense, and play in a division that really has no leader. Seems like a no brainer for the Saints to trade Sean Payton for essentially Carr with a reduced cap number.

tredadda 02-04-2023 05:41 PM
Will this thread continue when he’s no longer a Raider?

Buehler445 02-04-2023 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 16788483)
He could do that. The Raiders could also play hardball.

Probably best for both to work out a trade of Carrs liking. Many reasons why he'd want to keep his current contract.






With the picks they got from the Broncos (1&2) they could ask the Raiders to absorb a big chunk of the salary for a decent compensation. Saints would get a decent QB, have a good defense, and play in a division that really has no leader. Seems like a no brainer for the Saints to trade Sean Payton for essentially Carr with a reduced cap number.
Even then they’d still have to take a sawzall to their defense to get under the cap.

irafreak 02-04-2023 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16788675)
Even then they’d still have to take a sawzall to their defense to get under the cap.
Yeah no way I'd want to go there if I'm carr. Yeah you might win the division but there are better options. He holds all the cards.

mlyonsd 02-04-2023 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 16788670)
Will this thread continue when he’s no longer a Raider?
I hope he goes into the NFC and wrecks it only to make it to a SB where PMII smacks him again.

The Franchise 02-04-2023 07:40 PM
The Saints are $57 million over the cap. Trading for Carr would be the dumbest shit they could do.

jdubya 02-05-2023 11:39 AM
Carr the flag football pro bowler is about to put on a flag football clinic. I hope GMs will get hardons watching the game.

DJ's left nut 02-05-2023 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16788794)
The Saints are $57 million over the cap. Trading for Carr would be the dumbest shit they could do.
I think the Saints bring Dalton back.

Oh they'll toss some feelers out there and maybe getting that 1st rounder from Denver changes the calculus for them a bit. But it's Miami's 1st, right? The 1st round caliber QBs are gonna be gone by then. And they need too much help to package those picks and move up just yet, IMO.

So they keep Dalton for a bridge year. He was perfectly average for them last year and he probably won't cost much to retain. Now they could elect to move on in pursuit of just bottoming out and getting their QB next season, but if that's their plan, they'd probably be better served to simply trade this years first rounder for a 3rd rounder and a 1st next year or something. Then they enter next year's draft with 2 picks in the first and they just send some scrub like Mariota out there to die this year.

DJ's left nut 02-05-2023 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 16787237)
I've always kind of liked Derek carr. That was great.
Isn't that a self-own?

What am I missing here?

Sassy Squatch 02-05-2023 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16789296)
I think the Saints bring Dalton back.

Oh they'll toss some feelers out there and maybe getting that 1st rounder from Denver changes the calculus for them a bit. But it's Miami's 1st, right? The 1st round caliber QBs are gonna be gone by then. And they need too much help to package those picks and move up just yet, IMO.

So they keep Dalton for a bridge year. He was perfectly average for them last year and he probably won't cost much to retain. Now they could elect to move on in pursuit of just bottoming out and getting their QB next season, but if that's their plan, they'd probably be better served to simply trade this years first rounder for a 3rd rounder and a 1st next year or something. Then they enter next year's draft with 2 picks in the first and they just send some scrub like Mariota out there to die this year.
Miami's first was forfeit due to Ross tampering with Brady and Payton. New Orleans now has the 49ers first from the Chubb trade.

jdubya 02-05-2023 01:27 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with a friend of mine who is very in tuned with Packers/Aaron Rodgers situation.<br><br>Aaron will be a <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> in 2023</p>&mdash; Sam Barrington (@Sam_Barrington_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sam_Barrington_/status/1622032267102093313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Let the off-season wild rumors commence lol

Rainbarrel 02-05-2023 02:22 PM
McDaniels must have really changed or this would be a constant battle

irafreak 02-05-2023 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16789299)
Isn't that a self-own?

What am I missing here?
That's the beauty of it. He's okay with it. Carr has always seemed like a real person.

lawrenceRaider 02-06-2023 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 16789474)
McDaniels must have really changed or this would be a constant battle
McDaniels has had the best success when he had a QB who was willing to fight him. Brady used to really scream at him.

BleedingRed 02-06-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16789415)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with a friend of mine who is very in tuned with Packers/Aaron Rodgers situation.<br><br>Aaron will be a <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> in 2023</p>&mdash; Sam Barrington (@Sam_Barrington_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sam_Barrington_/status/1622032267102093313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Let the off-season wild rumors commence lol
With his no trade clause..... DOUBT

If Rodgers goes anywhere it will be 49ers

Lzen 02-06-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16789415)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with a friend of mine who is very in tuned with Packers/Aaron Rodgers situation.<br><br>Aaron will be a <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> in 2023</p>&mdash; Sam Barrington (@Sam_Barrington_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sam_Barrington_/status/1622032267102093313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Let the off-season wild rumors commence lol
How does this work? Is there a trade in progress? Otherwise, wouldn't this be considered tampering since free agency doesn't start until next month?

DrunkBassGuitar 02-06-2023 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16789415)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just spoke with a friend of mine who is very in tuned with Packers/Aaron Rodgers situation.<br><br>Aaron will be a <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> in 2023</p>&mdash; Sam Barrington (@Sam_Barrington_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sam_Barrington_/status/1622032267102093313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Let the off-season wild rumors commence lol
Raiders looking at the Broncos thinking "hell yeah lets do this"

Coochie liquor 02-06-2023 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16790157)
With his no trade clause..... DOUBT

If Rodgers goes anywhere it will be 49ers
Nah, Pack already said AFC only.

Also

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smithandrew051 02-06-2023 09:20 AM
The Packers would be really dumb to only want to trade Rodgers to the AFC. Love likely isn’t going to make them competitive next year (or maybe the following year), so they should just take the absolute best compensation possible. Who cares if you help an NFC team make the Super Bowl?

Keeping him out of your conference only makes sense if you think your team is a contender to go to the Super Bowl. The Packers weren’t even a playoff team with him.

Shields68 02-06-2023 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16790207)
The Packers would be really dumb to only want to trade Rodgers to the AFC. Love likely isn’t going to make them competitive next year (or maybe the following year), so they should just take the absolute best compensation possible. Who cares if you help an NFC team make the Super Bowl?

Keeping him out of your conference only makes sense if you think your team is a contender to go to the Super Bowl. The Packers weren’t even a playoff team with him.
Would agree they really need to take the best offer. Be interesting on what that would be. Someone said 2 1's which seems very steep for a QB coming off a bad year. On the other hand not all 1's are worth the same.

But also I could see floating the AFC only thing out there in the believe that NY Jets and Raiders will be the top 2 teams in the bidding and try and head off a power play by Aaron to get to 49ers who I doubt will be willing to be the highest bidder.

jdubya 02-06-2023 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16787639)
My fellow Raiders fans think he should fall on the sword for the management that benched him. ROFL
I haven’t heard anybody say that. Most just want Derek and his brothers to shut their whiny bitchy mouths and get out of Dodge and be rid of them. Lmao

Eureka 02-06-2023 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 16790160)
Raiders looking at the Broncos thinking "hell yeah lets do this"
"Let's Ride" or "Raider Nation Let's Ride" ?

lawrenceRaider 02-06-2023 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar (Post 16790160)
Raiders looking at the Broncos thinking "hell yeah lets do this"
It would be Raiders as hell to trade for Rodgers and have him pull a Wilson.

lawrenceRaider 02-06-2023 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16790319)
I haven’t heard anybody say that. Most just want Derek and his brothers to shut their whiny bitchy mouths and get out of Dodge and be rid of them. Lmao
I'm sure David will keep his bitchy mouth going on the Raiders for years.

St. Patty's Fire 02-06-2023 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16790157)
With his no trade clause..... DOUBT

If Rodgers goes anywhere it will be 49ers
rodgers would probably waive. adams is there. though i wonder if he and mcdaniels would be oil and water

MarkDavis'Haircut 02-06-2023 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdubya (Post 16790319)
I haven’t heard anybody say that. Most just want Derek and his brothers to shut their whiny bitchy mouths and get out of Dodge and be rid of them. Lmao
People are mad that he won't take the first deal offered.

Rasputin 02-06-2023 06:10 PM
I wish Derrick Carr would stay a Raider and keep them in mediocrity purgatory.

Jet Chip Wasp 02-06-2023 06:22 PM
It's going to be a sad day when our perennial whipping boy leaves the Raiders.

Sassy Squatch 02-07-2023 08:36 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just for clarity sake: The <a href="https://twitter.com/Raiders?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Raiders</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/Saints?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Saints</a> have agreed on compensation element of a trade for Derek Carr. That was always the requirement for any team to get permission to speak with Carr.</p>&mdash; Vincent Bonsignore (@VinnyBonsignore) <a href="https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1623122396533379073?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lawrenceRaider 02-08-2023 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16791183)
I wish Derrick Carr would stay a Raider and keep them in mediocrity purgatory.
We are probably now headed for straight terrible hell.

Sofa King 02-08-2023 07:39 AM
Hopefully the Raiders give up as much as possible for Rodgers and then he retires next offseason.

Eureka 02-08-2023 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16793246)
Hopefully the Raiders give up as much as possible for Rodgers and then he retires next offseason.
Rodgers might possible help the Raiders. He sure would be invigorated to play on a new team.

The give up as much as possible part sucks but I don't think there are many teams out there that will offer a huge sum for Rodgers and his salary.

The Franchise 02-08-2023 10:28 AM
The Raiders are going to get Jimmy G.

RunKC 02-08-2023 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16793454)
The Raiders are going to get Jimmy G.
I think that’s a given seeing as how Josh McAsshole is their coach.

God I love it that we have a lot of draft picks and cap space while Denver and LV burn draft picks LMAO

Eureka 02-08-2023 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16793459)
I think that’s a given seeing as how Josh McAsshole is their coach.

God I love it that we have a lot of draft picks and cap space while Denver and LV burn draft picks LMAO
The Raiders currently have 9 draft picks and possibly about to add more via a Carr trade. I'm not sure I'd call that "burning draft picks".

I really hope Jimmy G doesn't go to the Raiders. Just not a good move for that franchise.

staylor26 02-08-2023 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 16793506)
The Raiders currently have 9 draft picks and possibly about to add more via a Carr trade. I'm not sure I'd call that "burning draft picks".

I really hope Jimmy G doesn't go to the Raiders. Just not a good move for that franchise.
He's referring to last year. Trading a 1st and a 2nd for a WR so they can waste the last couple years he has left.

BossChief 02-08-2023 11:42 AM
Why on earth would a team trade for Derek Carr when you can go get your franchise QB in the draft?

Sign a Bridgewater level vet that the kid can have a goal of beating him in fair competition to win the job and get your “ride or die” quarterback.

O.city 02-08-2023 11:47 AM
How do the Saints do this cap wise?

PAChiefsGuy 02-08-2023 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16793567)
Why on earth would a team trade for Derek Carr when you can go get your franchise QB in the draft?

Sign a Bridgewater level vet that the kid can have a goal of beating him in fair competition to win the job and get your “ride or die” quarterback.
There's no guarantee the QB they draft is going to be any good at least with Carr you know what you are getting. They also can technically still draft a QB and have him sit for a year or two and learn.

O.city 02-08-2023 12:13 PM
The only way you are gonna get a QB that can compete with the upper echelon QB's in today's NFL is to draft one and develop him.

It's no guarantee. I guarantee you if you go the other route you won't play past the divisional round of the playoffs

Eureka 02-08-2023 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16793611)
The only way you are gonna get a QB that can compete with the upper echelon QB's in today's NFL is to draft one and develop him.

It's no guarantee. I guarantee you if you go the other route you won't play past the divisional round of the playoffs
Well for the Saints they picked up Breeze in free agency and won a SB. Albeit only one and I guess they did get bounced early in the playoffs often. Even some great QB's don't get to the dance every year.

II. 02-08-2023 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 16793567)
Why on earth would a team trade for Derek Carr when you can go get your franchise QB in the draft?

Sign a Bridgewater level vet that the kid can have a goal of beating him in fair competition to win the job and get your “ride or die” quarterback.
Obviously our situation wasn't the same, but when we brought in Alex Smith(who I know was better but still) it was similar to what a team may try to do with Carr. Have someone at least competent to get the ball rolling, and give a young guy a chance to grow without tanking the organization.

RunKC 02-08-2023 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16793514)
He's referring to last year. Trading a 1st and a 2nd for a WR so they can waste the last couple years he has left.
Yup and maybe this year too. They’ll have to give up at least a 2nd to get Jimmy G

Eureka 02-08-2023 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16793514)
He's referring to last year. Trading a 1st and a 2nd for a WR so they can waste the last couple years he has left.
Ah Ok. Chiefs are def doing it right.


The Adams trade was a decent trade. I think Adams play style will allow him to be top notch for many years. Ain't nowhere close to the boneheaded trades the Broncos are making though.

staylor26 02-08-2023 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16793716)
Yup and maybe this year too. They’ll have to give up at least a 2nd to get Jimmy G
Isn't he a free agent?

tredadda 02-08-2023 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 16793423)
Rodgers Wilson might possible help the Raiders Broncos . He sure would be invigorated to play on a new team.

The give up as much as possible part sucks but I don't think there are many teams out there that will offer a huge sum for Rodgers and his salary.
This sounds eerily familiar.

tredadda 02-08-2023 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16793577)
There's no guarantee the QB they draft is going to be any good at least with Carr you know what you are getting. They also can technically still draft a QB and have him sit for a year or two and learn.
With the way this league is shifting, that is not a good idea. It’s better to roll the dice on a rookie QB than to bring in a vet and sitting your rookie QB. With QB salaries going up so much a team would be silly to waste cheap years on sitting and learning.

BossChief 02-08-2023 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 16793577)
There's no guarantee the QB they draft is going to be any good at least with Carr you know what you are getting. They also can technically still draft a QB and have him sit for a year or two and learn.
The only thing you’re guaranteeing by sign Derek Carr is mediocrity in a game your da base wants hope for a title.

Just draft your guy and dump every resource into helping him win football games and ultimately championships.

You have no chance with Carr.

BossChief 02-08-2023 09:12 PM
Nearly all of the best teams played their rookie by year 2 and most in year one.

DJ's left nut 02-08-2023 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794305)
Isn't he a free agent?
Yeah, he ended up restructuring to some odd 1-year deal with a ton of incentives. I'm wanting to say he accepted the restructure to ensure a free run into FA this year; I think he got a no Franchise clause in there.

staylor26 02-08-2023 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16794520)
Yeah, he ended up restructuring to some odd 1-year deal with a ton of incentives. I'm wanting to say he accepted the restructure to ensure a free run into FA this year; I think he got a no Franchise clause in there.
And Shanahan already confirmed that he won't be back, so he's as good as gone.

Very likely a Raider unless they trade for Rodgers.

DJ's left nut 02-08-2023 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794522)
And Shanahan already confirmed that he won't be back, so he's as good as gone.
This is probably his last, best shot to grab a bag one more time.

And man, if you're Grapes and you see Shanahan continue to expose his top guys to these shots, why would you go back there?

I gotta believe that by mid-season next year we'll finally start to hear reporters start to question the brilliant Shanahan and say "Hey, has anyone considered the possibility that this isn't bad luck? Maybe he's not a boy genius who's come up with some novel approach to offense. Maybe everyone else out there COULD be doing stuff like this but isn't because they don't want to get their key offensive players killed?"

Shanahan got Purdy hurt. Shanahan got Lance hurt. Grapes got hurt on a simple zone blitz where the 49ers had 3 guys off the line and 2 RBs in the backfield who both ran out in the pattern leaving him completely exposed off the edge.

Shanahan has that Martz sort of 'damn the torpedoes' approach to protecting his guys and it took about 3 years of Martz getting guys killed for folks to finally wise up and say "hey, maybe he's the problem?"

staylor26 02-08-2023 09:32 PM
That's an interesting perspective. It does seem like it's almost impossible to be that unlucky, so it makes sense.

DJ's left nut 02-08-2023 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794542)
That's an interesting perspective. It doesn't seem like it's almost impossibly to be that unlikely, so it makes sense.
Purdy got wrecked when Shanahan had a damn TE blocking the NFL's leader in sacks 1v1.

"Oh the poor 49ers had to play without a QB..."

Poor 49ers my ass - they exposed their QB to getting wrecked and the Eagles obliged them.

It was just as stupid as running Trey Lance on a designed run in the first week of the season on a nothing play.


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