Not even close! Flynn played 2 good games and got offered a contract. Smith is a proven winner and has been to the playoffs. Mahomes has yet to take a single snap in any meaningful game

He also drove his team down the field and hit Vernon Davis for a td with about 10 seconds left when it was fourth down. The biggest pair of balls I have seen from Smith

You could also point to Fishers crucial hold on the two point try on why we loss. It was a bundle of things that happened

You've went full Tiger. Never go full Tiger.

Bout time for the barrage of Smith gifs from the playoff gaffe...

So you dont want to win a SB?

Don't think so.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...1201220sfo.htm

Who even says Mahomes will win a super bowl?

All reports from camp say he is the most talented QB there.

Really because Terez, Sweeney and BJ say otherwise.

He may not. But his odds are much better as of right now. Alex is on his last shot. Mahomes could have 15 or so chances ahead of him.

Link?

40% of 49er drives ending after three plays and a punt.

Nope. Totally Kyle Williams' fault.

The one thing Smith does well is he able to read defenses and make pre snap adjustments. Mahomes so far who knows but he needs work.

ROFL

This is the most disappointing year ever for the AFC. It's almost a foregone conclusion that the Patriots make the SB again unless Brady gets hurt.

Tannehill is done and the rest of the division dusks so that's 6 wins alone. Brady never losses at home so that's 6 games. They have their best offense ever IMO.

Think about this. Brady has made the SB in 46% of his years starting healthy for the Pats. There's a better chance that Tom Brady makes the SB than Steph Curry has making a 3 point shot.

But it's true!!! Best chance ever!

ROFL

No they didn't. They said Alex is having the best camp. Which is to be expected considering the inexperience of the other 3 QB's on the roster.

Against the best defense in the NFL.

The 49ers scored as many points as the New England Patriots did in the Super Bowl vs. the Giants.

Williams fumbled twice, the final time in Giants territory, so yeah.

All Russell Westbrook FG % is 43%. So just think Brady has a higher chance of making the super bowl than Westbrook does making a shot period

Terez was visibly pissed off when someone asked if the Chiefs trade Smith to the Dolphins in their Facebook Live chat yesterday.

He was so steamed that he said to Vahe and Blair "One of you fellas take this question".

It's stupid. The Chiefs aren't trading Alex Smith this preaseason.

I doubt they trade him eaither. But its funny as shit to watch the Alex homers menstruation cycles go off the charts at the possibility....

It's not even a slight of possibility

The Dolphins aren't an Alex Smith away from the Super Bowl, so there's no reason to think they'd give up 1st and 2nd rounders for him, especially since he's under contract for only 2 more seasons and will be 34 next year.

If Cutler doesn't unretire (and I'm better he won't), Osweiler, McCarron or someone else's backup makes more sense than Smith, because he doesn't fit the Gase offense.

Hell, Mike Glennon would be a better and more logical trade target.

I doubt they trade him either. But if the Dolphins call and offer a 1st... :shrug:

Keep dreaming. They're not paying a 1st for a 1 year rental.

Dolphins have already called Cutler and Jeff Darlington said on NFL Live that he believes Cutler would be a perfect fit because he has worked with Gase before

He's signed for 2 years

Keep dreaming.

They were talking about it on the radio,610, just like we are here. This is just not a CP thing.

No one thinks it will happen. Just hypothetical.

It's just hypothetical until Nick Athan says otherwise.

25th in points allowed, 19th in rushing defense, 29th in pass defense and 8th in takeaways.

12th/16th in DVOA and late-season weighted DVOA respectively.

I get the argument for saying it's an above average defense at worst, but to say they were the best by most objective measures doesn't follow.

He was a great game manager who was clutch for his first three SBs (2001,2003,2004). Look at his stats.

2001 - 63.9 comp %, 2,814 yds, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 86.5 Rate
2003 - 60.9 compl %, 3620 yds, 23 TDs, 12 INTs, 85.9 Rate
2004 - 60.8 compl %, 3692 yds, 28 TDs, 14 INTs, 92.6 Rate

Nothing spectacular there. They won mostly because of their D back then. Now they win mostly because of their O but their D is still very good (#8 in total yds, #1 in league ppg last year giving up just 15.6 ppg).

Pats are more than just Tom Brady. Obviously he is the main reason but there is a lot of reasons for the Pats success. It isn't just him. They went 11-5 with Matt Cassell as their QB not that long ago.

Team game. So it is not a forgone conclusion that they will win. There's a lot that can happen. Maybe their D or Oline sucks this year and if that is the case they won't win again. So you never know.

Their D, particularly their Dline, was never healthy until the playoffs. Once they were they shut down everyone including offenses led by Matt Ryan, Rodgers and Brady.

I think you stole that tweet from Stephen a Smith. Wrong sport bro

I'm comparing the two

This is incorrect.

In 2003 Brady was 6th in the league in passing, 10th in TDs and had SEVEN game-winning drives.

In 2004 he was 10th in the league in passing, 6th in TDs, 9th in yards per attempt and 5th in yards per completion.

Those aren't game manager numbers. Those are top ten passing numbers.

60% completion and a 2:1 TD ratio is absolute shit compared to what he put up 5 years later.

Move along.

Not sure why so many people have a vested interest in a mediocre QB been the best guy on the field

Missed my point.

Tannehill has a $96 Million contract that pays him through 2020.

Like i said, Smith would be a 1 year rental.

It doesn't make a lick of sense for the Dolphins, and he's too valuable for the Chiefs to let him go for any less than a 2nd this season.

Fun to think about? Sure. But not grounded in reality.

The NFL has changed a lot in the last 15 years buddy.

5000 yards in a season was unheard of just a few years ago. Now there is someone doing it every season. cant compare stats from when they allowed defense to play to stats in 2017.

TOP TEN passing numbers.

Facts, not fiction.

Brady's prolific passing was a huge part of those championship teams in 2003 and 2004.

Prolific passing? 226 yards a game is prolific??? ROFL

Shut the hell up , Geno.

I was just listening.

In 2003 and 2004, those were top ten passing numbers.

You apparently have no clue about the rules changes to the passing game that made everything explode in the last 10 years.

Brady from years ago isn't playing today and if he was playing against his older self on a loaded team this year, he'd lose.

Funny that Smith has never eclipsed 3600 yards....in his career......ever.

I mean Brady had to throw for 354 yards and 3 TD to beat the Panthers in the Super Bowl, and the next season he had to put up 24 points without much of a running game to beat Philly, but yeah, those teams were all defense.

Or 28 TDs. ROFL

:facepalm:

The league has changed a ton in the past several years. Everyone's stats have inflated in terms of QB play. Why do you think the sport is as popular as ever?

If Brady was top 10 in those categories, he was clearly a really productive QB at the time.

Alex Smith missed that memo.

When there was absolute shit going around for quarterbacks in the league.

That's paltry. Look up steve young and see what he was doing the decade prior.

Move along, Geno.

Tom Brady was far better in the second half of his career. End of story.

Don't all QBs get a little better with age?... I mean if we look around the league, it holds true for almost all of them.

Yet Brady's stats from the early 2000s that you frown upon are still better than Smith at his best. :facepalm:

Are you brain dead?

Peyton Manning
Daunte Culpepper
Donovan McNabb
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Trent Green
Drew Brees
Matt Hasselbeck
Ben Roethlisberger
Carson Palmer

There was a LOT of QB talent in the league back then. When former Super Bowl QBs like Drew Bledsoe were the mediocre QBs of the day you know it was more than fine.

You're just digging some idiotic hole deeper for god knows what reason.

Why tear down Brady's top ten passing seasons? What's the point?

I thought this was the ****ing training camp thread.

You can blame PAChiefsGuy.

You are all acting like god damned children. This thread has gone to shit and it all of ya'll's fault.

Hurtful

Back on topic

Training camp is hard for me to get excited about because if one player looks good it means in a sense another one of our players is looking bad.

I am glad to hear Mahomes, DJ, Alex Smith and Tyreek Hill are all doing well. Hope they keep it up. I'd like to hear more about Beenie Logan but I understand it's probably hard for dlineman to show much in training camp.

Ahhhh when does regular season start again?

Everyone is anticipating preseason to see our future football savior, Mahomes.

That's great but I'm excited to see everyone including Alex Smith and our defense. Not just Mahomes.

Well then watch that.

LMAO

ROFL

I'm looking forward to more training camp and pre season games.... Dreading the regular season and so ready for 2018.

I plan to. You got a problem with that?

I doubt many give a shit if you sit and watch paint dry to be honest...

No sir. I do not.

Sheesh. Lighten up, Nancy.

Are you kidding players like Tyreek and Peters are pushing each other and that is a beautiful thing to watch and it will pay off for both of them on game days. They were fun to watch today bar none

I've done that, was getting paid $12 hour too

:clap:

Comparing stats 14 years apart is some dumb shit. Brady has always made big plays when it counts. He's managed games, but he's never been a game manager.


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I'm not comparing stats from then to now. I'm merely pointing out that back then it was mainly the Pats defense that was winning the Pats championships. It was not just Brady.

The guy whose post I replied to is one of the idiots who thinks football is an individual sport. It is not.

I have stats to back up my point.

Pats Ranks

2001 Offense Rank Total Yds - #19 PPG - #6
2001 Passing Yds Rank - #22
2001 Defense Rank Total Yds - #8 PPG - #6

2003 Offense Rank - Total Yds - #17 PPG - #12
2003 Passing Yds Rank #9
2003 Defense Rank - Total Tds - # 7 PPG - #1

2004 Offense Rank Total Yds - #7 PPG -#4
2004 Passing Yds Rank #11
2004 Defense Rank Total Yds - #9 PPG - #2

So don't give me that BS that Brady was the main reason they won their first three championships. He wasn't. Their defense was. Eventually he became the GOAT but lets give credit where credit is due. Pats D is usually always good when they win the championships.

You can also look at the year the Packers won their SB with Rodgers. I think their D was top 5 in yds and #2 in ppg.

Now I'm not saying Alex is as good as those guys but lets not act like Alex is the only QB that needs help. They all do. Defense is still and always will be extremely important when it comes to winning championships.

My apologies man. I didn't mean to come off as a jerk. A few too many beers tonight.

Can we please take the non-training camp stuff into their own threads?

Those of us not lucky enough to live in KC actually want to hear about the god-damn training camp and not a bunch of pissing and moaning about other crap (to include the "Oh GOD NOT AGAIN Pat/Alex bullshit).

Pats 32, Panthers 29

Pats 24, Eagles 21

Thank god that elite defense won those games for the Pats and Brady didn't have to perform like a top 10 passer.