As usual, you're unable to stay on topic without moving the goalposts.

Pioli left a better roster and team than the roster he inherited. Houston and Berry aren't just a "couple of picks".

Berry is in a Hall of Fame trajectory. If Houston can return to form, it's more than likely that he'll surpass Hali in the Chiefs sack list, making him #2 all time, just behind Derrick Thomas.

Rodney Hudson is a bonifide stud and Bailey's been a solid DE.

Guys like Veach and Ballard didn't gain their league wide respect by sitting with their hands tucked under their ass... odds are, they both were likely instrumental in acquiring certain players in KC along with the teams they worked with before here.

That is the only way they could have made a name for themselves.

He also left us in fantastic cap shape. The one thing Pioli was good at was managing the cap.

I believe Reid walked into a situation with $30 million to the cap for his disposal.

People on CP act like the GM is the only person who does talent evaluation and finds players.

There are a ton of people involved.

Yes but we lost Dorsey and Ballard. Our #1 and #2 guys. We also fired 2 additional guys, 1 of which was instrumental in bringing the Seattle FA's here.

I'm thankful that the Bills didn't steal Veach from us. That would have been horrible.

If Veach had left, I'm not sure that Clark could have made the decision to fire Dorsey.

Lol, for years you clowns claimed it was all Dorsey who was responsible for the drafts (which the GM is responsible for) but now that he's gone, it really wasn't him the whole time.

The clown shoes are starting to glow round here.

You won't hear that shit from me. Unlike you, I can take an objective and critical look at the situations within my team.
You're swimming in a sea of donkey shit, yet you put on a ridiculously stupid front where everything in Asswipe Colorado is coming up roses and cherries!

Who's the bigger fool?

You're the big fool, because chiefs.

I'm wondering if we should send Dorsey a card or something. You know, a thank you card for his service to us.

That would be ****ing awesome. You write it up. I'll sign too.

Wut

That's brilliant, Jethro. Keep 'em coming.

IN.

You will never hear me say that Dorsey had nothing to do with the drafting/talent evaluation.

Should we do a card, or maybe have us all sign this motivational poster?

https://www.amazon.com/ADVANTUS-Fram...ational+poster

I know it's not, but my immediate thought upon seeing that was it looks a lot like Burnside's bridge, which would be awesome.

A few days ago no one here wanted Veach because he was one of Reid's guys and now today everyone is saying sign Veach. CP is bi polar as a whole

I want him just so we can say "Son of a Veach" whenever something goes wrong.

On that note, I'm out again. Nice seeing you all.

Is this why the aliens stopped by?

It's been a few days and I still cant believe this move...Sure, they can hire another GM but finding someone that can build the best 53 roster (as some NFL personnel people think) isn't that easy. If it were, every team would do it...it was pretty uncanny how many cast-offs have come here and produced. I've never seen anything like it in regards to the Chiefs...the consistency. Dorsey just has a nose for it. Mitchell is a perfect example...as is Parker, Ware and Bailey.

We were getting spoiled..expecting a pro-bowler from every draft. Chiefs always find a way to **** things up....49 years.

Dorsey has set the team up...this draft was with an eye towards the future. Shame we'll never know what it could have been with another 4 years.

CHunt just fired the best GM in Chiefs history...IMO.

Pissed....

Has ANYONE said that?

Great personnel guy but that's not enough. We are fugged every off season because he's a disaster with contracts and that hinders team improvement. Cut Maclin just to sign the draft class. 13 mil over the cap for next year but cutting Alex will put us under so it's not all bad. Dorsey is not some incredible GM. He did very well finding players but failed everywhere else. I'm not saying Hunt was right to fire him right now but the timing makes me think it was Andy or Dorsey and he made the right choice keeping Andy. Veach will get the job and the team will be fine.

Definitely the best talent evaluating GM, anyway. Like you, I don't see much hope in finding another GM as tireless and successful as Dorsey was in his quest to unearth exceptional talent on the fringes.
Any Peeholi can pick a Berry and be a tight ass with the money. There's no special talent in that.
At all.
Those outliers are part of what created a deep and functional roster in which one could truly ascribe "next man up" and not miss a beat.
Good luck in replicating that.

I would hope not.

You're one of those who seems to have turned on Dorsey.

I thought and absolutely still think he was one of the very best GM in the league.

I don't see how he was bad with contracts. When you have been one of the most talented teams in the league for a few years, you're going to have to pay big money to some of your players.

The Maclin contract could only be said to be bad because of his injury history. Otherwise, the Chiefs absolutely needed a top WR like he was. We either had to get him or Cobb, who was resigned by GB if I remember well.

And how does it make sense to say that he was bad with contracts and that hindered the team improvement when we arguably have the top 53 roster in the league and certainly one of the best?

Dorsey looked like he built a great roster and would keep it this way for years because he is so good at drafting and finding great players off the street.

Veach might be good but make no mistake, Dorsey did a fantastic job here in KC and is a top GM.

I'm on Veach bandwagon. He's going to be a GM in this league very soon even if the Chiefs pass. He's well respected and has a scout background. He appears more polished than Dorsey who always came off as a football player in a GM's roll. This hire will provide continuity on an otherwise very good front office and scouting department.

My thoughts exactly. Dorsey went from working on an extension to "don't bother to stick around for your final year" in the blink of an eye. He did something to piss off Clark or Andy or both. My guess is the Maclin situation but that's just a guess. The suddenness of the firing seems to be a knee jerk reaction to something. I hope I'm proven wrong by facts, not speculation. It's not a good look for the Chiefs.

I haven't turned on Dorsey and would have had no issue with him staying but I have bitched numerous times in his tenure about never having any money to help make the team better. That's why I personally don't have massive issue with him being replaced. He doesn't scout alone so I think we will be ok. I know this much contract and cap will get better.

2013-Sean Smith
2014-none
2015-Jeremy Maclin
2016-Mitchell Schwartz
2017-Bennie Logan

1 good FA almost every year which is perfect IMO.. Yes the structure of contracts were bad no doubt, but we've had money before and Andy is at fault for loyalty. Why is Colquitt still here? Demetrius Harris? That's roughly $5 million right there.

I think the dead $$, Berry contract and Maclin release were key factors here.

I keep seeing this Dorsey brought in these players that were cast offs and then they produced. Why are people crediting Dorsey? That's Reid's area. He's the coach. Dorsey can bringing in talented cast offs like other gms do,but your coaches are getting the best out of them.

That's the thing, as bad as the cap has supposedly been, it hasn't stopped them from bringing in whoever they want.

Which is why that excuse is bullshit

A loaded roster was up against the cap...who would have thought! The firing was dumb as ****.

I get that they've been pushing the money back and kicking the can down the road which has caused things like the maclin cut etc.

But that just seems off to me. I don't know, I haven't really heard a reason yet that I really thought, "yeah, that's it".

We fired Dorsey a year before we were about to actually have cap space. Smith and Hali were gone after this year and we would have had plenty of money to keep our players.

I still think this is ****ing stupid.

The only way this makes sense is if Dorsey wanted a clause in his contract where he could leave for GB if he was offered the job.

That or Reid power played it.

Those are the only 2 things that make any sense to me

$10 million combined to Maclin, Tamba and DJ to not play here next year. Clark was stingy about money.

I think what Grunhard said on 810 lends a lot of credibility, especially since he's known Clark for years. "You don't embarrass the Hunt family and stay here long." I imagine the voicemail drama had Clark and Donovan pissed off to holy hell.

Still not a good reason to fire him. I wonder if Clark was thinking to give Dorsey 1 more year with his new staff to prove he can handle contracts and if it didn't work out, fire him in January and promote Veach. Maybe that was presented and Dorsey wanted long term confirmation and Clark said nope.

We will never get over the hump with Clark. Pathetic.

This represents my thinking.

I've been a big Clark defender over the past several years and feel like he's usually made the right moves based on the odds. But this? This mystifies me. I want to know why it happened, because from my couch it makes no sense.

Ryan Cobden has a interview tommorow

Yeah, because going 2-14 wasn't embarrassing enough...you abruptly fire the GM that has resurrected your team at 12-4 after letting his replacement go to the Colts.

The Hunt family can suck it....and play their power games. They are doing a fine, fine job at embarrassing themselves in running a professional football team. 49 years without a SB appearance...

The entire league knows this was an amateur move...

Some of this read is just ****ing LoL


Hey Chicken Little, the sky is falling...

Dorsey sucked ass when it came to money!! Almost 73 mil in dead money. Imagine the players we could have right now or we could use that money to give peters a extension

Dead money or not...he has built what many think is the best roster in th NFL.

They could be the Browns and have $40 million is space....:shrug:

They haven't been forced to cut anyone that was performing...

Howard, Maclin, signed Bowe to a shitty contract. Signed Grubbs to a shitty contract. Tampered with Maclin and lost a draft pick. I would say Alex Smith but at the time that was the best option.

The Hunts are why we have a 50 year title drought. Failure at the ownership level.

How can you people still not understand why he was fired when the reasons given have been stated and re-stated hundreds of times at this point.

He's right you know.

Could Dorsey be the reasoning why Mahomes isn't signed yet? Maybe he was ****ing that up too.

Just throwing this theory out there. I know Terez article came out and said Dorsey just did things without telling people. Anyone think Dorsey Cut Maclin behind Reid's back?

Wait, on one hand we have "the best roster in the NFL" yet on the other hand we are no closer to a Super Bowl than we were back in the Carl days because of critical flaws to the roster, with Carl wanting to build the "best 53, not the best 11". Still starting a middling SF backup, still have no big play WR's, still have RBBC, still can't stop the run or rush the passer in the playoffs.

So Clark can't win either way. He sticks with the guy, we have to make a bunch of cuts next year, have no first round pick, are starting a first time QB, and are no closer to a Super Bowl, and he's just satisfied with filling seats. He gets rid of the guy, and he's "embarrassing" the team.

Clark did not make this move because he has no idea what he is doing. There was probably either a serious issue with Dorsey behind the scenes that led to this, or this was Clark making a decision between Dorsey or Reid (and Reid has done that before in Philly, so it is a possibility). And if it was the latter, Clark was correct in choosing Reid...

It's not quite 50 years and at least the Chiefs HAVE a Super Bowl title (and two appearances).

These 14 franchises have zero Super Bowl victories:

Buffalo
Arizona/St. Louis Cardinals
Atlanta
Carolina
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Detroit
Houston Texans
Houston Oilers
Jacksonville
Minnesota
Philadelphia
San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers
Tennessee Titans

That's nearly HALF the NFL that don't have a Super Bowl victory. Is that because all of their owners are garbage, too?

Except for Emmanuel Sanders.

Sign him and there's far more cap space and no need for Jeremy Maclin.

Dorsey screwed the pooch on that deal.

How do you know that? We don't know exactly what happened but we know playing with Manning was a lot more enticing than playing with Smith.

I take it Dorsey could not sign Sanders but he had identified him as a player on the rise and he was proven right. It was the same with Casey Heyward.

The Broncos tampered on the Sanders signing, but it doesn't matter. He wasn't tough enough to be a Chief anyway.

How's that Dorsey's fault?

He thought he had Sanders signed and the Broncos came in and stole him away with promises of big #'s playing with Peyton. There's nothing he could've done about that.

That's not true...they had him all but signed. It was a dick move by Denver...and Sanders proved to be a quality WR.

So Dorsey was...again...correct on his player evaluation.

They were pretty pissed off about it...if I remember correctly.

Dorsey should have locked him up, period. Instead, he got played.

I think that's a bit unfair dude. He couldn't control Sanders, his agent, and the Broncos actions.

No..the opportunity to play with Manning made it happen. He has been notorious for inflating a WR's numbers. It was a smart play by Sanders agent that made him millions.

I really cant blame him...I CAN blame Horseface for being an underhanded twat.

Probably informed Andy by voicemail.

"Hey, Big Red, it's Dorse. Just wanted to let you know Jeremy won't be in camp tomorrow. Or the next day. Or ..."

Even if that were the case....I dont think that is grounds for firing. Word was they had been shopping him for a while.

Reid knew he was on the out...he was just playing good cop.

Here is a recap on the Sanders issue. Just comes down to who you want to believe.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...99-events.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...es-crying-foul

"While shopping the Chiefs' offer to the Bucs, Weinberg never explained that he had already accepted the terms of Kansas City's offer. Later in the night, Sanders' agent had agreed to terms with the Broncos, which is where he is currently headed. Sanders and Weinberg also rankled the 49ers by agreeing to visit, then blowing it off.

"This was one of the worst situations in modern football negotiations," one executive involved said. "Totally wrong. This needs to be stopped."

Weinberg sounds like a greasy pig....I seriously doubt the executive is lying about an oral deal in place. The agent just used it to extort more cash from another team....that's bad mo-jo.

PFF ranked Titans as the third best roster ������. Damn how is PFF still in buisness

They already have an excellent defense, great OL, RB, QB and they upgraded their WR this offseason.

That team and the Raiders will be the class of the AFC when Brady and Roethlisberger are done.

Lulz

LMAO

Oh I don't doubt that the Titans will be a good team. They should win their division this year but the #3 roster in all of the NFL behind the Falcons and Patriots.

Oh so you think the Raiders will be the class. They should try beating the Chiefs first. Everyone says the AFC West in a tough division. But the Chiefs went 6-0 in the division last year!!

And we now have our QBOTF, yet the Raiders are 100% going to pass us up

How do we know it was something Dorsey didn't do?

You told me fairly some of my points the other day were assumptions or conjecture. How is this not the same?

Carr couldn't beat the Chiefs last year what makes you think he can beat them this year

The Chiefs all but announced the Sanders signing when he hadn't actually signed the contract. That allowed Denver to offer more money and sign him.

Dorsey got played, plain and simple.

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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...7;-events.html

The agent for new Broncos receiver Emmanuel Sanders has been criticized since a NFL.com report Saturday said his client had agreed to a deal with the Chiefs and then shopped the offer around. But the agent, Steve Weinberg, said Tuesday that Sanders left the Chiefs’ facility Saturday without an agreement.

So we're going to take the agents word for it and ignore the other reports?

Come on Dane.

It's common NFL knowledge that an oral agreement (your word) is a done deal...the agent was a weasel. They only reason Dorsey got "played" was Weinberg did something that rarely or ever happens.

That's a quick way to yourself blacklisted...

The bottom line is that the Chiefs leaked the signing, yet there was no signing.

If Sanders had signed a contract, he'd have been a Chief but clearly, that didn't happen.

The agent was a scumbag but he won the negotiation.

I've, unfortunately, have had an oral agreement, told my wife and a few friends, only for the company to not honor that agreement.

It sucked but it's life.

When Dorsey gets settled in to his next gig, his first phone call needs to be to Paylor.

I think he definitely did. Reid would have gotten in touch Maclin personally and let him know himself. He was at his wedding a few days before. Andy didn't know I don't think.

I might agree if we didn't just draft a QB in the 1st round

I find that hard to believe. Dorsey knew Reid was tight with Maclin and they had been at OTAs that week. He wouldn't just not tell Andy he was cutting him loose.

Reid knew they were shopping him...my guess is Reid was playing good cop to keep the locker room from being upset.

There was a lot of turnover this year...Charles, Poe, Howard, and Maclin. Four deaths in the "family"....

If anything, Dorsey getting fired might be partially due to how he ended the relationships with core players. That's purely speculation but Charles was miffed as was Maclin. Neither were given the opportunity to renegotiate...not that it would have helped.