Not good enough.

You have to bail now, even though NOTHING has happened.

This is where I'm at......but I'm not going to bitch and moan until it's obvious that Pioli is back. At that point it will be like a band-aid....quick and fast. I'll be done.

I'm with ya man...I think everyone is so up in arms because Clark came off as so genuinely pissed off at Scott on Monday that it seems like a complete 180 that he'd even consider taking him along for the interviews. It's like if I divorce my wife, file the papers, talk mad shit about her to my friends...but then take her to Buffalo Wild Wings with me and the boys two days later. It just makes no sense.

Does the fact that Clark is contemplating bringing back Pioli not cause a disturbance to any of you?

Exactly.

i'm actually starting to cheer for Pioli to somehow survive all this

because it would be hilarious that he scummed his way through this and beat out what we all thought was a sure firing.

but hey, it's Scooter Pioli, never count out his ego or manipulative ways. He will keep that 95 Browns Tree burning in KC.

Have you not read the last 50+ pages!?

And I'm going to go on record as saying that very few of us will be done. Just like some have tried to rationalize some bad news that's come out today, most of us will be back.

Some will bitch. Others will make up bullshit excuses. Some will simply pretend like nothing happened.

But most of us will be back.

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Pioli part of Reid talks http://es.pn/WlLgGE

If Pioli comes back, it won't be "Pioli". That much is certain. I'm going to play the wait and see game. There's a lot going on behind the scenes from a business standpoint.

Pioli is gone, nothing else makes any sense.

Why would he want to stay here? i've yet to hear a good reason why he'd want to be the most hated man in town for several more years, he's no masochist, he likes to give the pain, not receive it.

Clark just making sure all of the legal voodoo is squared away before moving ahead... as crossbow put it, he's using a scalpel not a sledgehammer.

I can give you about 20 million reasons.

I really wana know some details Flopnuts and whoever is in the know how

Seriously, Clark. Let's just bring Hitler into Peace talks between JFK and Fidel Castro.

Hell, if I'm back and I'm Pioli, it would take a lot of personal restraint not to fly a banner.

Yes it disturbs everyone but with the knowledge there was likely a extension, things are very tricky for Hunt in trying to get rid of Pioli. We have to be patient and see if the new coach would even wants Pioli. If the new coach doesn't, then it is a easy decision for Clark and he does what he has to do.

It was brought up that there was a possibility that Reid himself had a little interview for Pioli today. It just isn't the Chiefs that have to see if Pioli is compatible for the future with the new set-up but if Pioli could handle what the new coach wants.

And yet, when I say that people are being needlessly impatient, you mock me. Funny how the news of Reid's long interview changes things, eh?

I said everything I knew. Chemistry feelers. That was it.

Depending on any financial or legal implications I can understand where Clark may be coming from.

Quitting the Chiefs doesn't cost you half, though.

It's oddly personal for me with this guy. My firm was run by a person that is so damn similar to him that it's not even funny. The power structure was the same, the attitude was the same, the manner of dealing with confrontation was the same.

The guy tried to can me 3 or 4 times over the last 5 years. Fortunately I'm pretty damn good at this, so our founding partner vetoed him each time.

We had a coup about 6 months ago and ousted the asshole from his director's position...but couldn't get the BDIC to fire him outright (they've developed that Clark/Pioli level of trust between them). So he was 're-assigned' to a nominal role an ostensibly stripped of all authority...for about 4 months. He's still here and he's slowly working his way back into an officer role. He'll continue to try to consolidate power within departments and increase his turf. He will always be slowly working his way back into authority - it's who he is.

I've moved up high enough in the world that he can't touch me now; as a Partner I'm technically his boss now. That said, that's the only reason I don't worry about him and the people in Arrowhead won't have that privilege.

Anyone that has ever worked for/with someone like Scott Pioli knows exactly how this will go with him.

He cannot be allowed to remain with the Chiefs in any capacity. His sole goal in life will be to subvert, undermine and attempt to work his way back into authority using every bit of personal pull he has with Clark. He'll lie, cajole and manipulate until he's close enough to where he was as to make no difference.

People that know men like this know better. I cannot root for this franchise with Scott Pioli involved in it. I just cannot.

Clark made them kiss, huh? Heavy petting?

Who said he's contemplating bringing him back?

Do you think Clark was really contemplating bringing Herm back in 2009?

Jesus Christ, even one of Pioli's favorite nut-huggers, Jason LaCanfora is saying that if Reid is hired, Pioli is OUT.

The new HC is either going to say he can work with Pioli (ridiculously ****ing unlikely) or he's going to say he can't work with Pioli.

At that point, Clark will either eat the buyout money and fire Scott immediately, or he'll strip him of all responsibility until an agreement is reached.

And if by some "getting struck by lightning twice AND winning the lottery on the same day" scenario plays out that the new HC is willing to work with Pioli, then make a decision.

After all, it's your choice to be a fan.

But I'm not making a choice until SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

LMAO

I DESERVE BETTER - FIRE REID - BRING BACK CASSEL

I am on the fence to see what Clark is up too.

It's all bullshit. He brought Pioli so Reid could learn about the team the same way he kept Herman ****ing Edwards so Pioli could. Pioli isn't coming back.

It does me. I dont think he is going anywhere unless Ried straight up said he would take the job if clark canned him. Obviously that won't happen. No coach worth anything will want to have pioli around.

When was this?

EDIT: People yesterday were having a pretty good conversation, they certainly weren't "hand wringing" as you called it - IMO.

These folks today are going DefCon 5 because of reports Pioli is in the room - having no ****ing clue why he's there or if he's even involved.

But if I offended you, I apologize.

So the fact that it's being reported that the whole reason Scott was there today in the interiew was to gauge chemistry between him and the HC means that he doesn't want to bring him back?

You don't but I think you would agree that it is unlikely Reid would take the job without personnel control.

So then I take it your ok if Pioli stays as long as he doesn't have personnel control?

Eh, if that's what you've focused on in this thread, that's your problem and not the whiners.

I honestly couldn't tell you who's behaved like that because I skim past it. There's been a lot of good discussion in the thread and that's what's worth talking about. I'm not saying there haven't been a few people jumping off bridges, but I haven't noticed it because it's easy to buzz on by it.

Just quit taking the bait and move along until something actually happens.

Then on that signal, raise hell...

I sense a disturbance in the force.....

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Its getting serious folks!

I'm ok if Pioli stays and becomes Reid's or whatever new HC's bitch

TrollOCity once again. Must be bored.

Well if it went 9 hours and is possibly still going that's great

I said this in response to the long thread about Clark not interviewing any candidates that "matched his criteria":

...and you said this.

Did I misinterpret what you meant by that?

Yeah. It isn't going to last 9 hours if Reid isn't very, very interested. Thena gain they could all be drinking scotch and playing poker

To be fair, I didn't have time to read all the posts in the thread up to that point; I only found the premise of the whole thing to be kind of silly. It sounds like we agree on this for the most part. Thanks for offering an apology.

:) scotts taking advantage of a drunk Reid to get himself assurance he's staying

See my edit above. We crossed paths responding.

I think it's a different situation, but again, I apologize if I offended you.

Either or... 9 hours is 9 hours. :clap:

Don't people usually try to bash OnthePath and the 'baters for not being patient? Here they are being the constant voice of reason and being bashed for that...heh.

What do you guys think is the most likely reason Scott was in the room in the interview today?

If Hunt brings Pioli back, thus demonstrating that he's a piece of shit owner who doesn't care about winning, I'm done.

All my energy goes to the Royals.

And yet it happens ALL THE TIME.

Cue the Nazareth...ooohhh love hurts

Well said. :thumb:

That's exactly why I'll never give up and continue to support SOC until this scumbag is gone. I'll always be a fan of the Chiefs, but I can't be an active fan while Scott is in the building.

OTWP can't win on this site for ****ing losing, and it's maddening to me. Whatever he does, he's ostracized. ****ing drafturbator...

Circle of life.



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I know this is a stretch...but if he participated in the interview, it means that Clark wants/wanted his input.

Negative, Red Rider.

How much more evidence do we require that we're dealing with a madman and some sort of reverse savant?

FAX

There is one single scenario in which I would be okay with Scott Pioli being fired within the next 7-10 days. Here goes...

Picture it, April 25, 2013, primetime cable television. Roger Goodell approaches the podium to announce the opening of this years NFL draft. Cameras key on on Geno Smith, Star Lotulelei, Luke Joeckel, Tyler Wilson and a few of the other green room invites. Minutes tick by and finally the graphic shows up in the lower right corner...PICK IS IN!

Goodell, card in hand, reemerges from behind the velvet curtained stage at Radio City Music Hall. When he gets to the podium he doesn't announce the KC pick, rather that we're starting a new tradition and the Chiefs have a very special person to announce their pick. Out comes Vincent Kennedy McMahon. What? This is ridiculous and makes no sense! VKM states that before he kicks off the 2013 NFL draft he has a message to deliver from owner, Clark Hunt. Cut to an extreme close up of Vince as he says, "Scott Pioli...YOU'RE FIRED! Oh, and with the first pick in the 2013 NFL draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Eugene Smith, Quarterback, University of West Virgina." He starts to strut off the stage, but quickly saunters back to the mic and says "Oh, and one more thing, there is no more yellow in the team colors!"

Yes, publicly fire Scott on national TV and it would be worth the wait.

Do you have your own opinion or do you just constantly ask questions?

I think a lot of the discussion today was about the overall roster, plans for the future and how the power structure will work.

There are a lot of steps in the draft and coaching specifics. They probably went into extreme detail about this.

If its a chemistry thing, then if Reids hired it will be his decision on Pioli

Lookit, Pioli is porbably GM for the next 1-2 years and that's that. However, that does not mean there isn't a diminished role for him to play. We all want him fired because he has say and control over players and staff. If you remove that control and just have him running contracts between offices then he is no longer a cancer.

O is doing his trolling routine. He's a solid spot troller. You don't expect it and then BOOM.

Well, some of us are a little more intelligent than that. :)

Not really. I think it's going to be Reid telling Pioli how it is and Pioli being Reid's bitch.

LMAO.

What is the color of the sky and why does it look that way? /O. city

Obviously if he was in the interview process, Clark wanted his input,no?

It would've been strange if he wasn't, to be honest.

Even if he has no authority at this point, he was responsible for virtually all Football opps for the last 4 years. If Andy Reid has a question relating to Opps, Pioli would've been the person to answer it.

Honestly, Pioli had to be in that room. Hunt could've gotten cornered and turned into a yammering buffoon had the wrong question been asked and he had no answer for it. With Pioli in the room, he can gracefully toss the question to the person that was responsible for the day to day operations. If Pioli isn't there, the conversation essentially halts on the subject and you have the interview equivalent of an awkward silence.

If Pioli is still in this organization, he has to be in that room. Period. Should Hunt have fired him outright and given those questions to Farmer? Perhaps, but that's not what happened.

If this is how Clark wants to do this, then Pioli has to be there to keep the interview going smoothly. The worst thing that could happen would be an awkward interview that causes them to lose Reid's interest and gets him on a plane to AZ without an offer.

LMAO

I don't know, did he?

LMAO You mean the ones he chooses to be friends with. He was the only guy that called me up to talk about the Belcher deal, rather than just talk here.

Or it's possible that he was there to answer questions about the roster, the status of various players' contracts, etc as he would be the one most knowledgeable about that. It's not like Clark could ask Romeo to come along.

I am not bashing him I agree with him that we should be patient and let the entire process work it self out. Clark said all of this should be done prior to the Combine so that is only about a month.

If Pioli is here in any capacity after that then it will be funny to see the people rationalize him sticking around

Yea whatever.

And you also say that not knowing what the deal is with Pioli or at what capacity he is going to be retained.

Fact is if Clark owes Pioli say $10MM if he cuts bait now so he puts him in the corner and hires Reid to run the team and its a success, yea people will bitch every time they hear Pioli's name but if the team wins and shows promise who gives a ****?

Is the goal to win the SB or do we get a trophy for Pioli getting fired too?

I want the ****er gone too but I am not going to make assumptions when I dont have all the info. I imagine more info will come out eventually.

People here talk like firing Pioli is no big thing, maybe its not but what I have seen and heard tells me it is a big issue or he would already be gone.This place is absolutely great at spending other people's $ though so why should that play a roll in anything now?

Now THAT makes sense. :p

That's easy to say but when Clark is staring at $40+ in the overall scheme and keeping a unich Pioli around to get coffee for everyone saves him $15 mil he might do it at least for another year.

Good luck getting someone to accept your common sense answer.

This, is a really good point.

Meh, I started off being serious.



But with the feedback I was getting, it was too good to be true. ROFL

Very true.

Some of us don't have your cell #. :shrug:

This is an excellent point.

No.

I have my bookkeeper in any interview where I'm dealing with someone that could be involved in the financial side of the house.

And when the hiring decision comes, I couldn't give a !@#$ less what my bookkeeper has to say about the decision. She's there to answer questions about some of the day to day stuff that I honestly do not have much clue about - I don't have the time to track all of that.

Pioli's presence could very easily have been informational and almost exclusively for the purpose of answering questions from the interviewee and/or keeping the interview progressing with an acceptable flow. You can only not have an answer because the last guy was doing the job so many times before you look like you don't know what the !@#$ you're doing and perhaps lose a desireable candidate.

Pioli is pretty good at the GM job. Everyone hates him because he was doing far more than being just the GM. Yeah he let Carr go, because he was smart enough to know you don't pay your #2 CB more than your #1. Other than that he did a great job of retaining guys like Charles, DJ, Hali, and Flowers. Just because we had the cap space, doesn't make it OK to throw out stupid contracts to a player that wanted to go play for his favorite team anyways.

Just because his role is reduced greatly, doesn't mean he isn't doing anything anymore. Most GM's don't have the kind of power he had, unless they also owned the team like Jerry Jones.

Clark Hunt will be more involved, as will the HC. It wont be Don Pioli anymore, just GM. It would be pretty similar to his role with Bill in NE when they won three Super Bowls together.