It is great. Watch the original series on Amazon Prime first if you can.

I had read a couple of the Bosch books prior to the series being made and it matched up pretty well from what I can remember.

It's not flashy or gaudy, or super action packed, and it's not dour or dark.

It's just sober solid detective work, nuts and bolts, meat and potato, grind it out and stick with the evidence stuff.

Bosch is stern, calm, stoic and principled. You're not going to get a ton of cliched broadcast TV cop stuff. No military style takedowns, or lead investigator putting on sunglasses and staring off in the middle distance. . . A little politicking, some surveillance, some nursing failures over a tumbler of scotch, . . . and some late-night evidence review that finds that crucial clue, etc.

More that the story is about the tech and funding shortcomings of metro policing. When they do work in the precinct, they're sitting in cubicles looking over paperwork, not in a lab hunched over $1B in high-tech machinery. . . That kind of thing.

Bosch on Amazon Prime is really great. I haven't caught the Legacy season yet. But I will. Bosch is really really good. I've never been a Titus Welliver fanboi either.

But I sneaky kind of am now. LOL

My full thoughts on it are in the Prime Video thread, but don't bother. Just watch it.

Succinct Explanation. They don't lean on gimmicks, they lean on goddamned good acting.

So my wife got a subscription to Starz because she likes Outlander. Don't bother. I caught 5 minutes and it's gayer than cum on a moustache.

So since she got it, I binge re-watched Black Sails. For those that haven't seen it's essentially a film-prequel to Treasure Island. Kind of a Long John Silver origin story. But it's got all the big names in it.

Anyway, I liked it a lot more when I saw it back when it was on weekly. I thought it did a lot of things right.

1. Jessica Parker Kennedy is hot as the surface of the sun. End. Holy shit.

2. There really wasn't a weak performance in the bunch. First time through, I wasn't in love with Charles Vane, Blackbeard, Jack Rackem or Hornigold. But watching them all in succession changed the dynamic. They were all really good. Especially Vane. He was just goddamned compelling. And Rackem was charasmatic as hell. I think the deal is it was a long enough time between seasons that some of the continuity of the story got fuzzy enough some of the stuff seemed out of place or inexplicable. This is my problem, not the story. It is a really goddamned good watch straight through. Flint, Silver, Eleanor Guthrie, Max, Vane and Rackem are all incredibly compelling.

3. Early on, I thought they leaned a little too hard into the calm understated exposition before the big scenes. It seemed tired. That is wrongheaded. They did a lot to lean on the crafting of a story being an important part of what they were trying to do. (Again, since it was a long time between seasons I probably missed it) But given the fact that they were tying it to a book, it was really kind of beautiful.

4. All the boat stuff was really good. I'm far from a sailor, so you could throw a lot of shit out there and I'd not know the difference. However, the little bit I do know, this show put a lot of nice detail in it. Between the rigging of the boats (most pirate movies don't have even close to enough rigging because its busy and hard to film around. But they put a lot of detail into the ship sets. It was really good. Also, the tactics they used at least faked me out. It was nice details they put in there. I was goddamned impressed.

Overall, it was a much more cohesive, compelling story on a straight though watch. If you subscribe to Starz for anything, watch it.

Just finished up season 2 of Barry. All I can say about that finale is Wow.

Ain't really feeling this season of Barry. Much too dark, lost about 75% of the humor, and the not-so-subtle theme of is beginning to run its course. Yes we get it Bill. No, I don't want to feel like a bad person for cheering on terrible characters.

I watched the first episode of the Pentaverate on Netflix and it was very funny. I will be watching the rest of it very soon.

Dirilis: Ertugrul on Netflix. Loooong running Turkish show. But it's beautifully done with a small budget. Ya, it's sub-titled, if that's not your thing you'll need to move on cause you'll hate it. Each season has close to 100 episodes lol

I love this show, been watching it for about a year and am into season 3, now.

Anyone else watching Hulu's "Candy" starring Jessica Biel?

Limited series and i think the final episode drops tonight.

Pretty damn good. Might be the most engrossing series i've watched this year.

I would like to see that but I don’t have Hulu.

Speaking of Hulu, Under the Banner of Heaven is pretty damned good so far.

And it's hard to not think of Andy Reid as a member of the LDS community.

I just started Gomorrah based on recommendations from this sub. I'm into it so far but have a question for watching it. Do you all watch the English dubbed version with shows like this or the original language? I can't do the dubbed version but the subtitles are difficult to read when watching in Italian. Is there some trick on HBO Max to getting a black box outlining the words? They blend into the background in all sorts of different scenes and its tough to read half the time.

I watched in English subtitles. I tried but couldn't adjust to the dubbed version. Maybe if I'd of started with it dubbed it would've worked for me, but halfway through a season and it ruined the characters for me so I switched back to subtitles. YMMV.

Its been a bit but I don't remember the subtitles being difficult to read or having/not having a black box around them.

I'd never done dubbed before until this. I didn't think I could watch multiple seasons closely enough with subtitles to catch everything. I actually found it completely fine but others here were turned off and I totally understand that.

I did dubbed. It didn’t bother me at all. If you ever watch Suburra: Blood on Rome ( which I highly recommend if you like Gomorra.) Also watched the dubbed version of that and didn’t bother me. But maybe, I mean definitely I’m weird.

Orville coming back...


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Boy you weren’t kidding, it’s still an engaging show though. I mean you can’t expect Barry to have a happy ending right? Once you enter that life there is no getting out, you will always be sucked back in.

Did any of you watch Marianne (English dubbed) (French Horror series) on Netflix? Episode one is the weakest - it just keeps getting better.

...just binged 1883.

Was it as good as Yellowstone? My wife is dying to watch it. I’m trying to fit Queen of the South in first. Still working on The Fall now.

I'm about 3 episodes into this and its really well done.

There was a ****ed up moment for me in episode one where there is a sticker on a car and a wall hanging in a home that I immediately recognized as a faith based marriage counseling type of thing.

I'm sure they get more into it in future episodes but I recognized it straight away from when I was a kid. My parents had that sticker on their car.

I hadn't seen or thought about it in 35 years and immediately identified it. Nothing like the conjuring of your parents marital issues while watching Sunday night TV. Very well done research for the time period.

Anyway, this and Under the Banner of Heaven have been really solid Hulu programming.

Bill Hader's Barry, is just killin me with all the references to Joplin .

anyone watch Marianne yet? ANYONE?!

Depending on your taste, I'd estimate it's well superior to Yellowstone.

Yellowstone is pulpy and soapy and about present day power and politics with all that skin and violence. It's decent enough.

But if you like beautiful vistas and hardscrabble toil to traverse a frontier, 1883 is better visually and narratively.

It's a contained narrative fully told from beginning to end in 10 episodes. It doesn't have to worry about stringing you along to the next episode or next season.

And there are some great thespian performances.

I don't want to spoil it with overexplaining or oversharing, but it's beautiful and gritty and violent and uplifting and nostalgic, . . . if those are things you're looking for in a limited series.

Well. I’m sold. Thanks BL!

I meant to add, you can pick your way through the Yellowstone thread in this subforum for some contemporary reactions. Whether pre-viewing on contemporaneous with your own viewing.

It kind of got adopted as 'the 1883 thread' while it was airing.

Anyone given Outer Range a shot, yet? I'm two episodes in, and I've already reached the WTF place. Josh Brolin is a very underrated performer and pulls off the surly rancher persona perfectly.

Just started last night. I'll watch more after episode 1.

On my list, but about 3-4 shows from starting it.

The 3rd season of Love, Death, and Robots is out on Netflix. I watched the first two stories last night and they were great but I was pretty stoned.

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Taste clusters exploding!!

Elizabeth Perkins is getting up there, barely recognized her.

I'm excited to watch it. The moment i get some "ME" time with the T.V this will most certainly be what i put on.

Loved the 1st season. Enjoyed the 2nd season but thought it had too few episodes.

Episode 3 kind of sucked,

So wild to even contemplate the variables here. Hard to imagine a more sure-fire thing simultaneously being such an enormous gamble.

So many resources invested in what seems like a last gasp of a dying paradigm, . . . I mean when the was last time anyone even uttered the phrase 'big-budget network television programming?'

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That looks really good and I love Steve Howey in Shameless. And Ginger Gonzaga is hot as hell.

It’s the algorithm.

Been watching The Offer on paramount plus, its about the making of The Godfather. I am really liking it a lot.

One show I've been pleasantly surprised with is 'I Love That for You'

It's on Showtime, about 4 or so [1/2hr] eps in.

Don't know how this particular metric will register with others, but the key is that co-creators/writers/producers include Michael Showalter and Jessi Klein.


They are each shaping up to be two of the very tops for sitcom/dramedy writing. So much of what they're involved with has that certain snap that keeps you interested and crisp lines that crack you up.

The humor in this is the little details, so you have to pay attention to enjoy it. The meta-story isn't all that groundbreaking, and Vanessa Bayer and Molly Shannon and certainly the situation of fashion and home-shopping isn't everyone's cup of tea, but the visuals and the little lines of snark and the patter is what will make you laugh.

And Jenifer Lewis is at the top of her game, comedically and dramatically in equal measure.

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If you go to the Showtime channel on youtube - attached to the trailer above if you can't find it otherwise, they even have the first two episodes for free streaming. . .

Thanks for the recommend/reminder.

Just seen one episode, and I entered it with a lot of trepidation. That era of movies and those people making them is hallowed ground for me, sure that's no secret. The era approximately from Bonnie and Clyde, through the first two Godfathers, Barry Lyndon, Apocalypse Now, French Connection, Conversation, Conformist, Badlands, American Graffiti, Chinatown, right up through The Deerhunter where everything started getting eclipsed by blockbusters [Star Wars, Jaws] was golden age, and Robert Evans is a singularly fascinating figure in the center of it all.

And it almost goes without saying that The Godfather is the summit of all of that.

Goode's portrayal of Evans thus far has gone a long way in easing my trepidation. If it weren't so good, I don't think I could abide watching, . . and it is certainly the standout aspect of that first episode.

Someone else might have mentioned it in here but I will give a thumbs up to "The Kingdom". If you like zombie shows/movies it is pretty good. You probably shouldn't watch with the English dub and subtitles as it will drive you nuts. The english words spoken aren't the same as the subtitles. They have a bit of a twist with the zombies that make it a bit more interesting.

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I was thinking about watching that. Looks interesting. I liked Vanessa Bayer on SNL.

I was geared up to pulling the trigger on Paramount+ for this purpose. But the early reviews deterred me. The trailer also looked really . . . fantastical, or exaggerated.

I'm very willing to be persuaded to jump in.

I've caught a couple more episodes, and I gotta reiterate and amplify my high estimation of Goode as Evans. Might be the best thing I've seen on television in years.

Nobody is bad or distracting. I won't spoil how some of the characters you'll be familiar with are portrayed or by whom [other than what you can see in a trailer], but they play it pretty low-key and straightforward, not a lot of caricatures [unless you count some of the actual Mafioso being portrayed]

Teller doesn't exactly embody Ruddy, but unless you are a complete geek, he's not someone whose persona is established for you anyway. Probably most people watching don't even know who Ruddy is beforehand. And Teller is fine in the role as written, even if it isn't an exact replication of the actual personality. And Ruddy himself, at 90-something, was intimately involved in the production, so I doubt he would let Teller's portrayal of his own self ring false, at least to his own vision of himself in that time.

It's tough for me to divorce my love for the subject matter and my enjoyment of seeing it dramatized. There are other narrative paths this could have taken or other aspects that could have been more the center of attention, but it's a pretty darn good tale just as a story, and all the moreso for it being based in fact.

Too bad I don't have any streaming services, seems like a lot of good shows are on Paramount, Apple Tv, and HBO max.

The Offer is definitely up my alley, I would watch it in a second if I could. And as a bonus it has Juno Temple. :drool:

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What have they done to Barry. Why are the showrunners all of a sudden afraid to play in the universe they created. Some of these bits are brutally unfunny. And they've completely sidelined Hank.

That’s what they do. They get you hooked on a great show but after a few seasons it turns pc and they start pushing their agendas down your throat. And that is always the beginning of the end. They did it to The Sopranos, they did it to Shameless, and they will do it to Barry and every other show in existence.

What did they push in Sopranos?

I haven’t watched the other 2

They started pushing the gay agenda. During the final season it was revealed that Vito (who was Tonys biggest earner) was a homosexual. Don't get me wrong it was a very interesting twist to the plot but they carried on with it for wayyyy too long, they wasted almost all of season 6 on it. It reached a point where it got so gay that many of my friends actually quit watching it even though the series was coming to an end anyway.

This was the scene that ended up being the final straw in most fans eyes.

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Yeah. It was weird. But so was a bunch of the shit they spent a mountain of time on with AJ, and some various other shit.

It didn’t stand out to me.

Oh, c'mon

Handoff!!
What?!?!

might be the hardest I've laughed in months.

And the Medusa punch-up job description communicated by facial expressions was pretty hilarious too

Curious if you're part of that Coen hating crowd, because this whole episode was pretty much a tribute to the comedy of the Coens.

"She more of a Yeahhhhh, not a uh-huh"....

I love the Coens Brothers.

I watched this because it was "hitman goes to acting school, hijinks ensue". Now I have to watch side characters I don't give a shit about, and every time Barry is on the screen, you aren't allowed to enjoy it.

I don’t remember who recommended Queen of the South, but god damn that shit is FIRE. Literally kicks into high gear from the beginning and it hasn’t let up yet. Almost done with season 1. Show is awesome. Big up yuhself, whoever recommended it to me!

See, I enjoy the industry satire at least as much.

And the incessant inventiveness of the deus ex machina around everything, showing the arbitrariness of the universe.

And people being pulled to better avenues in their life, then succumbing to their base nature. [Hank with the Beignet store, Fuches with the hot chicks with goats constantly swooning over him].

I know you are a sucker for the industry satire (see Bojack Horseman). I just can't help like feeling Rian Johnson got ahold of my beloved show and made changes I don't like.

That chick doing the uh huh and yeah yeah is Beck Bennett’s wife. She is quite attractive.

I'm more a sucker for efficient and biting satire, and snappy lines with a good comedic ear, . . . It just so happens that often the best satirists and line-puncher-uppers are in 'the industry' so their most biting and snappy stuff comes from personal experience.

Kind of like how Hal Needham films had the best stunt work.

Just relax and have a Beignet by Mitch. ;)

The absurdity of bringing battle-worn beignets as a dinner party gift [beignets have a shelf life of like 5 minutes out of the fryer].

The absurdity of that entire chase with Barry babying that janky wrecked dirt bike through LA traffic, and he holds onto the beignets the entire time.

Then the absurdity of the dinner party host using those battle worn, intact beignets to poison a blindsided Barry in the end.

And the best part is the anticipation, . . . you know something completely unanticipated and off-the-wall will save Barry from certain death, . . . but WHAT?!?! Stay tuned next week.

Oh yeah, you know Barry will survive because he’s the show. I’m going to rewatch the episode, I want to see the roof shootout again. ROFL

Don't be surprised if every single word of wisdom dispensed by Mitch 'pays off' [as in everyone will ignore it to their detriment] over the rest of the season, . . he already warned Barry off the dinner party.

Another Coen staple, a random dumbass giving advice that could have averted the entire tragic narrative to come.

He also warned Hank about Cristobal.

Oh and I’m starting to think that Bill Hader has a “Sauce” fetish.

Veronica Falcon (who is the cartel leaders sister in Ozark) was kind of an annoying character for me in Ozark. But holy shit, she’s a bad ass in QotS. Love her character (oddly with the same first name, Camila) in this series! Season 2 although only a few episodes in, is just as good as season 1. Great show!

I have to be honest, right when I saw him choking it felt like one of his dream sequences. I bet it didn’t happen. We will see Sunday.

It started off a little slow, but the last 3 episodes have been great. I just wish they’d dump the whole thing at once. I don’t like waiting week to week.

Watched this one.

I didn't realize Michael Mann was involved. It has a very VERY Heat feel to it, which is excellent.

I thought it was really good, and I didn't feel like I knew where it was going. Unfortunately I have to wait for another season.

Funniest part so far IMO.

Speaking of dream sequences. . .

Oh, and a haiku for the evening

Yep, that's what I thought,
You were doing, but I did
Not want to be rude

Seeing Hank vulnerable makes me sad even though it shouldn’t. He’s nicer than most of the criminals in that life but he’s still just as evil as they are. This scene from season 2 revealed it.

When I talk about efficient humor, Hank dropping 'told you to get out of THE Dodge' is what I'm referring to.

Serious scene, with a little drop to remind you of Hank's penchant for malapropisms.

Similarly, in the most recent episode, they tidily established Natalia's new entitled demeanor with 'ding, ding!!'

Too entitled and self-absorbed to push a mere elevator button now that she's a showrunner, she put her assistant in her place with a sunny veneer. . .

I can’t think about Natalie without saying “sthweetie, time to milk the cows.”

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@3:24

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It’s a tarp.

After what I felt was a disappointing tonal shift for the majority of season 3, with far too much screen time for characters that I didn't care for, Barry absolutely stuck the landing in the last 2 episodes. We were close to giving up on it, but I'm glad we didn't. That was some great television.

If I missed this here, I apologize. Episodes 1 and 2 of The Old Man dropped today. FX/Hulu. Jeff Bridges and John Lithgow. It's the most compelling first episode of any show I can remember watching. Wow.