Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9265615)

Some success.

Great.

And what was the downfall again? Not having a successor for an already non-elite QB?

Like I said, Rex Grossman appeared in a SB.

Marc Bulger put up numbers.

That doesn't make them great QB's.

Someone trying to sell me on a 65 year old Mike Holmgren - who was an absolute failure in Cleveland - using Matt Hasselbeck as some sort of evidence?

Awesome.

**** it, he coached Brett Favre and Steve Young.

So did Steve Mariucci, and I don't see anyone sucking his dick.

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9265633)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...g_quarterbacks

2002-2008.

Originally Posted by Rexx (Post 9265613)

Koetter, Ferentz, and Armstrong all reek of Pioli being involved

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9265647)

Honestly, I was the first to criticize Gruden's apparent man love for Matt Cassel earlier this season. It didn't make any sense. Then I realized he never criticizes anyone. Like ever. So I changed my tune on him.

If you've ever seen the guy coach, and how he leads his players, it's very hard not to like Gruden.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9265636)

99% of QB's are smart, it's a prerequisite for the position.

A much lower percentage are smart AND talented.

Ryan Fitzpatrick graduated from Harvard.

I sure as **** don't want him as my QB.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9265649)

Jfc. You've gone off the rails. Holmgren coached young at BYU and for most of his career. Holmgren made young. Holmgren rejected qb trades because he stuck by Brett favre. Look, you're a smart guy but you trying to discredit holmgrens qb accomplishments is borderline idiotic. Let me repeat. He coached two hall of fame qbs who were both considered nobodies in the draft.

And your criticism of his run in Seattle is comical. He left the game around the same time as cowher. They met in the same super bowl and Seattle played terrific in that super bowl. Seattle was a very successful playoff team almost every year holmgren was coach. His record is more impressive than cowhers. He took two teams he built from scratch to a super bowl. He coordinated the super power 49ers. He's coached three hall of fame qbs. He's developed two of them.

He isn't a good gm. So what. He wasnt on the field coaching players, was he.

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9265645)

Marty's advice earlier this season was for Clark to be patient and stick with Romeo and Fat Scott.

Where is this "good advice" you speak of?

Originally Posted by Hugh Janus (Post 9265645)

Marty's advice earlier this season was for Clark to be patient and stick with Romeo and Fat Scott.

Where is this "good advice" you speak of?

Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 9265655)

What does Fitzpatricks Alma mater have to do with how well he understands the game?

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 9265623)

Look at the QB's he had in TB. Add to that what I have heard him say and felt he really meant. I don't see any reason to think the guy is going to come out and groom a young QB.



Maybe.

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 9265644)

See, this is whole line of reasoning dovetails with the 'draft a QB, any QB, and if he sucks draft another' line of thinking that simply drives me crazy.

I can understand pining for great QB play in light of the HORRIBLE QB play we've endured but just as 'not as bad =! good' is apt, so too is 'the only alternative to horrible is spectacular' inapt.

We don't need a QB who throws 50x a game for 400+ yards every time out. We need one who doesn't make mistakes and makes clutch plays when needed. As much as the league has favored the passing game, and franchise QBs dominate the SB champ ranks, they're still not pass, pass, pass and ignore the rest of the team rosters. All the franchise QBs have gone through their game manager eras. Those like Eli, Ben, even going back to Elway have traits of stinking for 3/4 then turning it on in the crunch. Others like Aikman game managed throughout. All won with their defenses playing at their peak.

This is a knock on singlemindedness more than anything else.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9265663)

I'm going off the rails. I'm not the one defending a relic.

He isn't a good GM. Glad you admitted that.

GUESS WHAT GENIUS?

That's exactly the role he'll be expected to take in KC.

He's also SIXTY ****ING FIVE years old, and his last trip in the NFL was a goddamn tire fire.

You keep ignoring Cleveland, like it didn't happen.

We hire Holmgren, what are we more likely to get?

1990's Green Bay Holmgren?

Or three years ago Cleveland?

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9265674)

I am responding to gruden saying directly he believe the NFL is a pass heavy league where spread offenses are a necessity. He will be a much more pass heavy coach when he comes back and he will probably integrate a lot of principles of the Oregon offense. I agree that I hate his history with qbs, but I like that he has clearly stated that he gets the new realities and frankly, given what he's said, Geno smith is ideal for what he wants to do. Not Alex smith. I don't care what he says as a media guy where you have to choose words wisely.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9265683)

Green Bay hasn't had a 100-yard rusher in 43 games.