Worthy also seems significantly more intelligent than Toney and you know that has to play a huge role.

Most of these guys are such physical freaks that they just never have to really expand their abilities. I remember watching Dorial at Hillcrest here in Springfield when he was in JR high and high school.

The guy that coached them in JR high is a friend of a friend, we were talking about it after a round of golf the other day. He said he scored every touch he had in JR high. Not a successful play, but scored a TD. Every touch, all year.

Exactly. His "Yung Joka" alter ego should've been a non-starter from day one.

Nah, then we don't get the greatest PR in SB history.

True, but I think KC wins that game anyway.

Toney has made over $13 million in his career and will make over $14 million after this year? Sometimes forget that he was a first rd pick.

Hell that’s probably why he’s so damn lazy. Dude already cashed out big time no matter what happens.

Possibly. sad to see that on a team w hard working leaders like Mahomes and Kelce.

Hopefully he ****s off after this season if that's the case.

Guys like Toney actually think they have a rap career to fall back on. I'm being serious.

Do they though? As long as he isn't blowing all his money, financially, he is probably set for life after football.

He probably just doesn't give a shit and just wants to do bare minimum to get paid.

He wants to be a rapper.

But he failed because he couldn't catch the beat.

I'd put a good bet on Toney constantly having injury issues is the lack of training especially when it comes to paying a reputable trainer. Granted some players are just injury prone regardless, but with Toney there's just little desire to put forth effort.

I have a hard time believing he'll ever play another regular season snap.

Man, Toney has been such a disappointment. I'm not sure I've been as excited for any Veach trade as I was for him. It just seemed an amazing opportunity to maximise a rare talent. The SB means it'll always be a plus trade imo, but dang, it's a shame it didn't pan out. I really don't think he deserves a roster spot.

Aside from the lack of effort, possibly a lack of football IQ (who knows) and the injury-proneness, it feels like there's something else with Toney. When I watch him move he seems like a 1 in a million athlete, but I'm beginning to think some of the problem is that that sort of specific athleticism isn't, I dunno, replicable? A lot of it seems like an almost intuitive sense of when to zig when the other guy zags. It's sort of unpredictable movement patterns that he can contort into that others can't. Doesn't feel like it's well shown in his agility RAS scores at all. But it's real. Maybe it's also just not a skill that is repeatable over and over again?

He had his moments in his first season but he has done jack shit since. Good riddance. I hope Sky Moore and CEH are close behind him.

He's no less deserving than Skyy !@#$ing Moore, but by virtually all accounts that jackass is essentially a lock...

"He knows the entire playbook"

Well someone should ****ing TELL him that as he's meandering about the field with seemingly no concept of what sport is actually being played, let alone how to go about playing it.

God I hate that guy.

MEH actually took a step forward last year to become a solid b/u. At his current salary I have no problems with him.

Huh? Had a career low YPC in 3.2 and a career low of 1 rushing TD and 1 receiving TD.

MEH is starting to feel like an NFI guy.

If he STILL can't get on the field, I have a hard time believing that's an issue that's just gonna resolve itself anytime soon. And I'm not gonna lose a RB that might actually contribute (even if it's just Prince) only for MEH to get in his feels again in week 3 and we lose him for 2 more weeks.

Sorry man, but physical or mental, an 'injury' is an injury and if you can't be counted on to take the field, you're no different than Toney.

Of course it's that returd BWillie that starts the Toney talk in this thread. Got any rebuttal to your dumb shit getting called out? You really can look at those dumb shit RAS numbers and come to the conclusion that Justin Watson is more athletic than Toney?

Since youre so off season performance doesn't mean anything I'd like you to name a time that a rookie was a standout in camp and the preseason and didn't significantly contribute to this team their rookie year. My memory is fuzzy from before Mahomes rookie year and he's the only one I can remember that was a standout in camp/preseason but didn't significantly contribute his rookie season.

What dumb shit? Watson has a superior RAS score. True. This time last year after training camp and preseason people said it was Toneys year! True. Last year we cut some scrub in Irmir-Marsette and you all were salivating over how great this WR corp would be. True. Absolutely hilarious.

That is absolutely false. Last year was pretty easily his worst year he's ever had.

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Can I have neither please?

Incredible:

Toney:
Faster 40 time
Faster 20 split
Same 10 split
Faster shuttle
Faster 3 cone
Way better broad
Half an inch lower vert

Watson is a better "athlete" because of height/weight/bench press. Unreal

Mahomes faster than Toney in the Cone drill. Amazing specimen Kadarius Toney! So talented!

It's the height and weight that really ruins RAS, and I guess the lack of position specificity. But having a composite measure of strength, speed and agility seems like it has SOME utility.

I know what the RAS score says, but what numbers on it other than the composite RAS would say that Watson is more athletic?

People were saying it was his year, but they didnt start saying it after the preseason. It was being said well before all that.
Nothing he did in TC or preseason contributed to that, because he got hurt the very first day of TC fielding a punt and missed the rest.

Training camp and preseason did the opposite of hype up people in regards for Toney because he did the one thing that most people thought would keep him from succeeding and that is getting hurt. We know now that he probably just doesn't give a shit about succeeding and a big reason people think that is because of TC and preseason.

He had a shitty season last year that got people questioning whether or not he has the desire to be a good player. Instead of coming into camp and showing that he got "hurt" again and had the same **** ups.

Cut the shit. Sure, if you remove all context from your post, then you can try and say your right. However, your whole stupid argument from the beginning was that you can't learn anything from TC and pointless games, so you clearly meant that everyone was pining for Toney after his performances in TC and pre season, but you're too dumb to remember that he didn't even participate.

You're even wrong about that. They had the same time in the cone drill. 3 cone drill isn't all that good at showing who's the most athletic and it's not really important amongst WRs. Toney would have had tied with Odunze for the 4th fastest 3 cone amongst WR this year.

2023 - 3rd
2022 - 3rd
2020 - 2nd
2019 - tied for 5th
2018 - tied for 10th

Man, you keep looking like a bigger clown by the day.

Keep defending ya boy Kadarius Toney

Toney or Sky, who do we keep?
Pick one

Neither.

Strap both to a rocket and aim at the sun.

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I think they go:
Rice
Brown
Watson
Worthy
Hardman
Skyy
Remigio

Rice and Brown are both gonna miss some games...hopefully its not at the same time
might have to go Worthy and Watson to start

lol no.

It is very unlikely that Rice is suspended this year now, and it's definitely not happening before his December court date.

Stop talking about JAG's in the Xavier Worthy thread!

If you check out Toub's press conference, he REALLY wants Remigio on the roster.

Skyy Moore? More like, "Bye, Moore!"

I'd rather have lottery ticket Rugby guy on the team than Toney.


But to stay on topic the chatter I'm seeing at least on Twitter is Bills fans slowly accepting that it's going to be another facepalm passing on Worthy and giving him to the Chiefs.

I'd tell you to go look but searching "bills" and "worthy" just brings up way too many political posts lol

We gotta good one I think!

Is Nate Taylor gay, because he has a creepy homoerotic fixation with LRZ

Cool beans, I though I read where it is dropping in the next two weeks

Spoiler alert: his lawyer will request, and the court will grant, a continuance until the spring.

I'll believe it when I see it

I'd like them to pick between Skyy and Remigio, and keep Ross over the odd man out. My preference is Remigio, but I trust Reid/Veach to do whatever.

Not sure it will happen that way, but that's my hope.

can we get the OP in spoilers now? Getting annoying

Toub does seem to be man crushing on Remigio. Thought he said something like, "im pounding the tble for him" or some crap like that.

If I have a chance to draft Worthy or Odunze in my Dynasty Fantasy league. which should I take?

No one knows, but Rome is a hell of a player and appears to have a good QB.

Both have other weapons technically ahead of them on the depth chart, but Worthy won't be behind Brown for long, if he is at all.

Odunze and I love Worthy.

Tapout acknowledged, loser.

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There is a CHANCE Andy Ried can recreate this.

hummina hummina


I'm buzzing with the idea. Wentz threw two of them. Wonder if he saw the same thing in the last preseason game.


Wait, I recognize this!

Gotchoo

That Worthy kid you got is pretty good. Check out this tweet i found about QB rating when targeting him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QBs Passer Ratings when Targeting Rookie WRs this Preseason 📊<br><br>Jermaine Burton - 158.3<br>Xavier Worthy - 126.4<br>Luke McCaffrey - 112.5<br>Brian Thomas Jr. - 109.7<br>Malik Nabers - 95.1<br>Rome Odunze - 89.1<br>Malachi Corley - 88.7<br>Ladd McConkey - 87.5<br>Ja&#39;Lynn Polk - 80.6<br>Adonai Mitchell -… <a href="https://t.co/jA4xkdxcJh">pic.twitter.com/jA4xkdxcJh</a></p>&mdash; The 33rd Team (@The33rdTeamFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1826370651600683128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 21, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dang. I knew Jackson was fast. But that video shows the extra gear most players don't have.

Interesting stats. Amazing Coleman is so low

Keon Coleman, woof.

Also, go fist yourself with Glass Joe’s gimp hand.

When I saw that Philadelphia had stolen Dotson from Washington, I thought why couldn’t we have done that. But then I realized where they need a third receiver we really don’t. It would be hard to see Dotson beating out brown, rice, or worthy. And we’re also going to run a lot of two TE sets this year.

Last year we were a disaster at WR. This year we are going to be elite.

But for the last WR spot we might be able to upgrade still depending on who Houston cuts.

Safer to flip a pick than hope a WR makes it through waivers.

Also, Chiefs need to look hard at the RB waiver wire.

A couple of the pass attempts to Worthy were basically throw away passes not to mention four total targets. None the less it's cool to see this.

Isn't any doubt about that looking at RB's is a need.

Chiefs will be looking to add a starting vet CB. They'd be silly not to.

Nah I doubt that. They'll disguise a bunch of shit and bring some exotic blitzes to make up for it. I see RB2 as a much much higher priority. Steele looks like he might be able to eventually take that role, but I need someone on the roster other than Pacheco with proven NFL experience (assuming Clyde will be on IR or NFI)

Turd

We need to replace Niang. I'm not worried about RB or CB at all really after seeing Carson Steele.

I would LOVE to eliminate CEH and Prince, don't get me wrong. And Niang is definitely ass. So I'm all for upgrading all of those things.

Would be willing to move on from Niang and give Driskell a shot

I like what I saw from Driskell.

He’s a huge human and he can move.

He’s raw obviously, but at least the physical traits are there. Maybe he never starts, but I could see him developing into a solid swing tackle that leaves to go get money somewhere else.

Can he be Andrew Wylie?

Driskell is a mountain of a man!!!!

Driskell is crazy because of how skinny he looks. Dude weighs 320 and looks like 275 or so. I'm guessing he could still put on some really "good" weight and be a monster.

His ceiling is well above Wylie, Wylie didn't have the same movement skills or size

As for others worried about CB I say if Spags has proven anything, he's proven he can patch together something effective all across the defense... sure it'll take him a few games to solve the puzzle but he'll eventually solve it

What we need is a RB and a D lineman IMO

2nd play of the game when Mahomes took the sack/1yard gain. Look at Worthy in the middle of the field on the logo. He had 2 steps on Marlon Humphrey.

If the IOL doesn’t get nerfed Mahomes hits Worthy and it’s a huge gain.

Kid was open all ****ing night

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He's going to be even better than Reek, he's a far more polished rookie... in a year or two he'll be a damn route running WIZARD

One thing about life, least 4 me is what seems good turns bad and what seems to suck turns out good. Go figure.

Highly doubtful.

Tyreek is, like, a top 10 WR all-time type of talent.

Not trying to get too far out over my ski's, but its not out of the question

Worthy isn't the same stop and start waterbug, he can't juke and retain speed quite like Reek... but I contend that he's a more fluid athlete, and a MUCH better route runner and natural hands guy who can pluck a ball more often than bodying it

We all still love what Reek brought, but I'm seeing an even higher ceiling with Worthy

Yeah, let's calm down. Tyreek's the best NFL WR since Randy Moss. He warps defenses like few others have ever done.


The Desean Jackson comparison makes more sense anyway.

But we could’ve had Keon Coleman. He’s obviously better!


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Reek has been the best deep ball tracking WR in the NFL for the past many years.

Worthy doesn’t need to be Tyreek to be an incredible player.

By mid season dumb fans of other teams are going to demand an investigation on the bills for why they let us draft this guy!