Here you go, O. I think this article was written specifically for you.

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Yes, especially when he identified it as a position that needed upgrading after last season.

We had 2 1 picks and have gotten jack shit from either of them this far. That sucks.

Stop crying...jfc

A 2nd and 3rd for a 33 year old DE? No ****ing thanks.

all of these threads just make me really, REALLY glad that none of you are in charge of The Kansas City Chiefs.

jury is still out on george. i wasn't thrilled with the pick, but the tools are there to be sharpened. has has as many pressures as any other rookie, he just needs the end product.

It doesn’t help Karlaftis that he has Frank Clark on the opposite side.

I think Karlaftis will be a very solid player. Maybe not great, but good. Hopefully we can find a counterpart next year in the draft or free agency.

Frank is worthless 90% of the time.

Yep. There were options to double-dip at DT as well as DE. I mean I'm entirely fine building from the back but just baffling that so many picks went that way after he indentified DL as a need.

Because he identified the backfield as being a need too and he saw players there that fit the defense?

I mean, I highly doubt he said **** it and just drafted whoever he felt like, consequences be damned.

I mean about 85% of CP sees Clark is s**t, so hell I'd give them a decent shot at improving this DL.

This is in the whole 10D chess category people convinced themselves of suggesting Veach had publicly identified DL as a need, but secretly it was a cunning plan to throw people off while he built an elite secondary.

Sure, he had a plan, it probably shifted as it met reality, as it should, and we ended up with Dunlap and Karlaftis, which is patently not enough.

Yes it does. We have had better contributions from our 7th rounders thus far.

I'm still baffled why Cook was such a priority in the second. We already had 2 starting caliber S on the roster, and if they've already given up on Thornhill there's a long ****ing line of guys more deserving of that treatment on the roster.

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Because Spags likes to play 3 safeties. And we all saw what happens when that 3rd safety is complete shit.

Oof. Grindr date bailed on you recently? You've been incredibly horny for attention these past couple days.

Spags system runs 3 safeties. This was our 3rd safety last year. I think this is pretty self explanatory

https://youtu.be/PINgtQpxik4

Taking a quick glance through our snap counts and I'm not seeing this system where 3 safeties are playing even close to a majority of the time. We play our nickel corner a lot more.

We'll see.

He played a ton in that Tampa game and was playing a fair amount before he got hurt vs. the Raiders. And it was not a bad idea to slow-roll ANOTHER rookie into the defensive backfield where we could.

I suspect we'll see 3-safety looks about 40% of the time as a general rule going forward.

But I do agree that we had FAR greater priorities and that was my greatest frustration with the Cook pick at the time. Deon Bush is a solid player. He's probably better than Cook right now anyway. And I don't see Cook as a guy who can replace Thornhill going forward because he's not a single-high guy.

It just seemed like we created a need that didn't really exist. At least not yet. Then again, with Sneed/Fenton/McDuffie as your 1-3 coming out of the first round, and Fenton's injury history (not to mention McDuffie being a rookie), maybe they just weren't confident that a standard Nickel was a strong package. There's no way they expected Watson to be this significant a contributor and probably not even Williams.

But yeah, I definitely would not have gone with Cook there. The need on the DL was just too great and too obvious.

Well, him playing that many snaps against Tampa was a bit of a necessity and not necessarily by choice. Reid got put in concussion protocol and even if he did return to the game he's pretty clearly not going to be 100%

I think Cook will be a great player, in the long run. It seems a bit perplexing why he didn't prioritize DL when there were solid options available, but I do understand the draft-to-replace strategy when there is good value there.

His options at 62 weren't great overall, outside of going DT with Travis Jones or a flier on Perrion Winfrey. Perhaps he felt like going for a potential ace safety was better than a plugger at NT or a DT that's going to sit behind Jones?

His options at DE largely dried up right after we picked Skyy Moore.

The only one that I'd maybe say eh he should have taken a poke was Dominique Robinson and he didn't go until 174 in the 5th. In his defense, Robinson looked really raw.

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Once Williams came off the board, though, Veach should've been working the phones to move up. Because as you said, the options were really thinning out at that point.

Atlanta in the middle of a rebuild taking a LBer in a draft LOADED with guys just like Troy Andersen seems like such an obvious fit at 58. Just feels like 62 and 145 can probably get you to 58 there.

But like you said, barring that, feel like Travis Jones is someone you've still gotta take there over a 3rd safety. And I think you can make an argument for Bonitto or even Petit-Frere or Raimann there. Leal or Cameron Thomas as more versatile inside/outside DL pieces. Shit, Nakobe Dean (dart throw on upside) or Jalen Tolbert (youth and size).

I'm just not gonna talk myself into the idea that S3 was such a dire need, even in the longer term, that we needed to attack it at 62.

This goes without saying. But thank you for saying it anyway. :thumb:

Nah. Abraham Lucas. That guy was more athletic than Eric Fisher. He had size, speed and core strength.

He would have been perfect here

Sure.

But he wasn't on my radar at the time so I can't be too terribly loud about him.

This was the pick

Absolutely my take. Is it ideal having Bush out there on significantly more snaps? Not really, but as you say right now he's not worse than Cook as a rookie. DL was the need and there was a fair amount floating about at that point.

Think I agree with this also, my only thought was DT and DE were both current AND future needs and so seemed the obvious area to target.

Film study on our boy George. Turns out he's been more effective than we've been giving him credit for:

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When George Karlaftis is drawing a double team, somebody - ANYBODY - needs to step the **** up and win 1-on-1.

I mean, they kinda are. But as that clip shows it's just that it's Chris Jones swinging across to DE not a regular DE. He's showing what we hoped he would last year and been a wrecking ball all over the line.

What we REALLY need is anybody who is a designated DE actually winning 1-on-1 quick enough to bring real pressure and sacks. Good on Karlaftis for taking the double, and I know you've said elsewhere you think he's getting close. But we need him to get closer! (Or Clark, Dunlap, whatever)

Seems like he's got a million dollar head to go along with physical tools...


Guys had a odd set of jersey numbers for a DE.

the biggest problem with our d-line is nnadi

he's the worst defensive tackle in football according to PFF, and daniel harms tweeted a series of all 22 plays that showed he really is ****ing awful this year

you're going to see a ton of snaps for saunders and i think that fatass on our practice squad soon

I know, I keep thinking it's Percy Snow out there!!!!

Yeah, Saunders and Wharton before he got injured popped off the screen I'm comparison. Did an injury rob him of some of his game? He was definitely nowhere near this bad before.

According to the pass rush win rate chart, he's bottom 3 or 4. So not really.

either nnadi is playing hurt or mailing it in because they haven't tried to resign him

which would be odd for a guy in a contract year

so frustrating to watch a DT make the tackle 5+ yards down field and celebrate.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Shelton active for this game, especially against a run-first team like the titans. I’m not sure what happened to Nnadi. He’s been declining the past two years.

Yeah, it's probably time to give Shelton some run.

Nnadi has been incredibly disappointing this year. And frankly he was a disappointment last year as well.

It's just been odd to see him plateau as a rookie as simply never get any better. He looked like a guy who should be a solid run-stuffer for 8-10 years but at this rate there's a solid chance he's out of football by next season.

Yep, he's been horrible to watch. Think PFF has this one right.

Or maybe not. Spags continued to play Sorenson, Niemann and hitchens last year despite them sucking ballsack

Shelton might be a better option than the replacement players he had for those three. I guess we'll find out.

Did you watch the video? Not being sarcastic or an ass, just asking, because he specifically says that right at the beginning.

I swear one of you guys posted that Nnadi got dinged somewhere around 3-4 weeks before the bye and that's when the run D started getting leaky? Someone fess up so I don't feel like I'm imagining things . . .

It's pretty cool how we're scheming it up for him to draw the double or to open the hole for another guy. Like you said, we simply need the others to take advantage (cough, Chanel)) when it happens. Of course, we also need George to get home as well.

LOT'S of rooks on this D. I think we see it all come together really well really soon.

That's the thing, I realize this isn't a top 15 defense but.. a starting rookie DE, rookie LB getting significant snaps, 2 rookie corners starting plus one coming back from IR and a rookie safety getting a good bit of run. It's really kind of impressive that they aren't worse than they have been.

You don't get to where we are without a significant amount of BPA philosophy as well. I'm guessing that played into it as well as potentially losing Thornhill .

The rookies have been really good and they're going to get better. Props to Spags et al.

His contract year was last year and Reed was brought in to replace him. Veach brought him back on a one year prove it deal and he’s proving he doesn’t belong in the NFL.

I fully expect Denver to sign him this offseason.

It’s probably safe to say Nnadi is done and that we will bring up Shelton soon snd quite possibly perSUH a DT as a next man up.

I agree with some of his assessments, but others seem to indicate he’s not looking at it for a true assessment.

For instance, the stretch zone against Indy. He’s trying to show the play as an example of good run defense, when George’s responsibility on outside runs is to contain the run from getting outside. George immediately takes a step inside on the play and takes on Nelson…we were just lucky that the back didn’t get outside because he had 2 blocks set up out there with only Sneed to defend the outside.

Obviously I don’t know the playcall, but if I was going to have a critique of George’s game this far, it’s that he kinda sucks out loud at contain and the teams run defense suffers because of it. He can’t keep letting OTs go past him and needs to do a better job of getting outside snd forcing the play inside a lot more so the linebackers and DTs can clean up.

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While his display of strength in this clip is outstanding, he needs to do a better job of not letting the play get outside of him. He’s improving in that area, but instead of pushing that TE outside, and instead pushes him upfield, it disrupts the run and allows a good angle to the swab if it’s PA.

4 pressures against Tennessee. He flashed a lot.

Good rush here.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karlaftis always gets the pressure but never the sack <a href="https://t.co/QdBz1s1H5I">pic.twitter.com/QdBz1s1H5I</a></p>&mdash; ���������� (@LockdownSneed) <a href="https://twitter.com/LockdownSneed/status/1590078501633523713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Effort play. Nice rebound from miscalculating.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quick recognition by Karlaftis to stop the RB <a href="https://t.co/Tw0tjSPGU8">pic.twitter.com/Tw0tjSPGU8</a></p>&mdash; Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1589454625593520130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He would have gotten a lot of credit here if Chris ****ing Jones doesn’t line up in the goddamn neutral zone. He ruined this play.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Karlaftis saving a TD (offsides gives a first down tho) with the swipe and pressure <a href="https://t.co/5NCze2De4z">pic.twitter.com/5NCze2De4z</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1589439223584944129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh and as Clay’s gif showed…don’t put a TE on him or George will destroy him

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Probably his best game yet.

He got pressure on 25% of Willis’ throws LMAO

He’s been so close to sacking QB’s. Dude had his hands on Willis on the 2nd to last play of the game. So close

Strongly agree on the last point re the run. That's the area I really want and expect to see some improvement by the season's end.

He tossed a TE...he's kinda supposed to do that, no?

Must be something wrong with his hands and arms then since he never actually gets sacks. Did the same thing in college.

Nah. Mostly he's about a half step slow getting to the QB from what I've seen. In short, he's still learning how to play at NFL speed. He's still thinking instead of just playing, so he's a beat slow yet. He'll be quicker as the season goes on and even more so next season. But even being a step slow, he's racking up a lot of QB pressures and hits, not to mention his solid play vs. the run so far.

Or maybe he is forcing the QB to throw early-like he did in San Fran, which caused an INT.

As someone who wasn’t thrilled with the Bryan Cook pick, I see why they drafted him. It wasn’t just to replace Daniel Sorenson but also to replace some of Juan Thornhill’s role. And I think he can. The guy was a corner for years before he became a safety. He also played a lot of roles in college. He’s probably a TE matchup but he did play in the slot in college too.

Juan is a pretty solid pass defender but he is so bad vs the run. He gets scared and can’t make the tackles needed.

Still need help up front but again Spags wanted the secondary shored up first.

His get-off has been pretty damn amazing. Eventually, that's going to pay off.

And the other clips?

I hear this a fair bit and it's just the one thing I don't see. It feels like a lot of the time he's taken out, or more often takes himself out about a million miles from the action on run plays. Watching again I think it's partly an over-eagerness to bring pressure to the QB. He's like a puppy, just a bundle of excited energy, but it means he just isn't reading a lot of these plays that well.

He's a smart kid, I'm sure he'll work it out. But precisely because of this I expected him to be better against the run at this point.

We've been watching ****ing Frank get stonewalled by TEs for multiple seasons, so this is still refreshing to see

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This backs up the idea that while Karlaftis is executing Spags stunts well (which is a good thing, to be sure!), he&#39;s not winning as much as you&#39;d want 1x1.<br><br>They&#39;ve used him in a multitude of ways and he&#39;s been a useful player, but this is similar to what I&#39;ve seen. <a href="https://t.co/E37Io4JQD9">https://t.co/E37Io4JQD9</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/1590375823449944065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And I had this conversation pre-draft with a few folks who were talking about 1st or 2nd round safeties.

Safety is a position that many teams, Chiefs included, have filled with a day 2 rookie who has contributed immediately. It's just an easier position to plug and play.

So why treat Thornhill's replacement as a dire, pressing need that must be addressed last season? Especially when DL has a longer learning curve?

I just don't see Cook as any kind of 'special' safety prospect that we needed to be a year ahead on. Not when the position is often filled on the fly and certainly not when we had dire needs (and still do) on the defensive line.

God help us if Frank Clark is the bar to clear...

Eek

LOl, he's a rookie. You didn't really expect him to win every snap?

But to say that he has poor recognition is just not the case.

He's making plays in the run game. Not every play, but he's making most of them. And I'm not talking about just making tackles or setting the edge. It's his recognition; this guy aint no Dee Ford. He's way ahead of guys like Dee when it comes to recognizing whether it's a run or a pass after the snap. What you call over-eagerness I think is just George beginning the snap as a pass rusher because that's the play-call, then recognizing that's it's a run, and adjusting on the fly. Basically, exactly what happened in the clip above. Actually, i think there's at least two fo them in that post with the multiple clips in t.


Does he need to work on is skills? Sure. But there's no question that he's a positive player on the DL right now, either making plays on his own or creating opportunities for other players, like that INT vs. SF a couple weeks ago. He didn't get there, but he created the pressure, along with Thornhill, and Jimmy had to try and throw that ball over and around Karlaftis, which forced the bad pass that Watson(?) intercepted.

Imo, Karlaftis is a solid run defender now. Maybe you have some specific examples to look at that show something different, but so far i haven't seen anything that says he's struggling vs. the run.

So even with stunts and blitzes removed, he's still 2nd best in the class.

How is that a bad thing?

Hes on track for ahh....sack. one sack. Hes everything we hoped he would be out of a 1st round DE. No reason for fans to expect more than 1 sack a year from a 1st round pick defensive end

Yea because even as a 21 year old rookie that is getting pressure, he willl never get better, and the pressure will never translate into sacks. The book is already written on him!

You're truly ****ing reeruned.

Patrick Surtain has zero INT’s this year.

He sucks!

Lolz. So when Justin Houston went 0-fer in his first 12 games as a rookie you would've written him off as a bust. 115 sacks to his career now.

Genious take there.:clap:

I know he’s only a rookie but it’s not like he had great sack numbers in college either.

Mahomes was on pace for 0 TDs for his career after his rookie season