Are we even under the ****ing cap yet? God damn.

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Good news is we have 3 OC's on staff

Von still hasn't signed.

On to the next.

EB has exclusive rights to the play calling

But he’s expected to re-sign with the Rams.

It’s pretty simple.

It’s either Clowney, a veteran trade target, or they’re going to be aggressive in the 1st round.

No other way around it.

Clark+Clowney as our starting DEs make me super nervous

Let's keep playing patty-cake with Allen Robinson while the options we actually need dry up around us.

Great plan.

They’d likely be taking one in their first 2 picks, and maybe with both.

They’re going to throw a number of guys at the position.

Honestly thank god. Did not want us getting stuck with his contract if injuries kick in. Still plenty of younger talent with upside left IMO:
Kemoko Turay
Dante Fowler Jr.
Dorance Armstrong
Solomon Thomas
Al-Quadin Muhammad
Rasheem Green
Arden Key
Jadeveon Clowney

Apart from the injury issues, they just don't complement each other well at all.

Both guys are SDE type players. The difference is that Clowney, when on the field, at least still plays the position fairly well.

Even still, neither guy presents a real pass rush threat.

This DL is going to be an absolute shit-show.

We have zero idea what their plan is. There’s no reason to think they’re “playing patty-cake” with Robinson either.

Give me Clowney and Key.

Vet Bleach is on the horn with Eric Hicks

We can make a pretty reliable guess as to what their remaining options are.

And if their plan was to sit ass while those dwindled, then I guess they're executing it to perfection.

So who's a big DE thats near the end of his contract elsehwere that said team doesn't wanna pay? That may be where we need to start looking.

I'm fine with it. Not a big fan of the edge names that keep getting thrown around in here

Just have a feeling Robinson would of signed by now and is planning to sign where ever Watson gets traded too.

Lorenzo Carter, Melvin Ingram and an early draft pick

That makes me wonder about his market due to his back...

Send the Jags #30 and a 2nd next year for Josh Allen and Laviska Shenault.

Are we playing patty-cake with Robinson, or are we waiting until Friday when Mahomes can be restructured?

They could have re-worked Thuney, and haven't.

I've heard Hill may not get done until summer.

Not sure how they are getting anyone without space.

I was just coming here to type this. You bastard.

Would you be in favor of trading for Cox and if so do you see Jones+Cox next to each other working?

We have no idea whether they plan to trade for a veteran or they have a guy in the draft that they’re preparing to be aggressive for.

When they missed out on Williams, we all assumed we were going to be starting a rookie LT for weeks, then the Brown trade revealed everything.

Let things play out.

Sounds like we'll most certainly be drafting a DE with our first pick. Veach rarely heads into the draft with a gaping hole at a position, so this is foreign territory.

Even if we do get a Clowney or someone like that.... is that really a top-tier starter?

**** Clowney

Doesn't look look like we are getting shit this go around in FA.

**** Clark

Clowned is overrated as hell. Still living on his name. I told everyone chiefs wouldn’t do anything

Definitely not that caliber of Frank Clark…..

I don't mind not getting anything done with Robinson either.

But what I do mind is that we seem to be trying to keep powder dry for SOMEBODY and in the meantime guys are starting to sign for below expected $$$. Guys who could really help this roster.

So who are we keeping this powder dry for. There doesn't seem to be anybody left that would take an enormous chunk of it. Moreover, if it were several smaller chunks, we'd see those signing trickling in. Or at least news that we've 'agreed to terms' to be finalized after the league year starts and bonuses are shifted around.

Something is awry here.

Yep. It sucks but we need to be prepared to wait another 3 weeks to see how this all comes together. All we know right now is that they aren't done.

To all those crapping the bed over Smith...

Clowney got nine sacks last season

Key got 6 and a half

Jpp and Campbell are still out there along with Houston and Ingram. So there is still time to get a decent vet. Hell trading for Hunter from the vikings is another option too.

Everyone is technically waiting until Friday when the league year opens.

Right now they're just 'agreeing to terms'.

Except for the Chiefs. They're burning cap space on Frank Clark and getting their backup QB signed.

And don't get me wrong, I still think we're a favorite out of the AFC. I just don't think there's anyway to argue that we are still the favorite.

We've lost ground to every significant contender in the conference this off-season.

Certainly hope not considering they haven't started.

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Fixed. This is what we thought after missing out on Trent Williams last year.

There is going to be a riot if we don't land 1 or 2 recognizable names in FA.

I know that’s the narrative, but it’s simply not true.

They made one of the best signings, arguably the best when you consider the cost.

Veach is selective. He isn’t going to sign or draft a position. It’s going to be a player, and usually that player is going to check certain boxes.

All this tells me so far is that even a huge need at EDGE isn’t going to make Veach overpay for a 30+ year old vet.

He will be patient and get his guy.

Recognizable by who? Give me a Key and Carter/Armstrong duo and I’d be happy.

All of the top tier pass rushers in this free agency are either up there in age or have injury concerns. It sucks but as others have mentioned I'll wait and see how it plays out.

Do you need to have space to agree to terms? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

I know they were $10M over as of this morning, and had to get under almost an hour ago.

Very true. We're going to have to swing a trade, which I'm not a huge fan of since we are burning money and picks.

What candidates do you see us making trade for that 1) won't cost a lot of draft capital and 2) won't be expensive against the cap and 3) will be a high-quality starter?

Is there someone worth sending #30 to?


As always, "In Veach We Trust" so I'm sure something will develop.

We’re so desperate we went from wanting Allen Robinson & Chandler Jones to now wanting Julio Jones and Jadeveon Clowney

ROFL

Yeah I'm not panicking just yet. There's enough guys out there that you can combine two and make the DL competitive, especially after adding talent from the draft as well.

If we dont grab Von Miller, ARob or at a minimum Juju/Landry this place is gonna freak out.

Von Miller isn’t happening. Might as well let that go now.

No.

Cox is 32 years old and sporting a $15 million cap charge. Now most of that cap charge is from a previous restructure so if we acquire him, his hit is about $2 million on our books.

But the Eagles already have 3 1st rounds picks and aren't acting like a team looking to rebuild, especially since they have cap space already. So unless they're getting a 1st rounder back, they have no motivation to trade Cox.

And there's just no way I'm giving a 1st or even a 2nd round pick for a 32 yr old DT who peaked 4 years ago.

I’m telling you, **** Landry.

I'm not panicking but I am clenching my but a little tighter than I was yesterday.

All of which costs additional draft capital they can ill-afford to spare as these cap issues aren't going away anytime soon.

They absolutely have to start rebuilding this defense through low-cost draft picks and value signings on veterans. Otherwise it will never be remotely sustainable.

And again, the options for the latter are dwindling.

Understand why they will freak out they are just grasping at names. A guy like Jauan Jennings is better than pretty much anyone on the names you listed at this point. Those are the kinda moves Veach needs to make

Feels like Veach has another major trade in the works. Danielle Hunter, Josh Allen, maybe even swinging for the fences in Chase Young? Fletcher Cox on the interior and then draft edge?

Maybe while the rest of the AFCW is stacking up at EDGE, Veach is going to trade up for Wyatt and have the best interior pass rush in the division.

There’s just no telling what their plan is.

Weird that we haven’t even heard where they’re at on cap space at this point.

Well I mean, I think they have about 27 guys under contract right now. So no, they obviously aren't done.

The question is not whether they'll add someone. It's whether they're going to start adding people that are cost effective and productive.

Randy Gregory is not the former. Frank Clark is not the latter. But again - pickin's is getting awfully slim folks.

The cap is myth or something

'Agreeing to terms' doesn't mean anything. It's not even binding. That's how Gregory ended up flipping to the Broncos and McKissic went back to Washington. They 'agreed to terms' until they didn't. It's a handshake agreement essentially.

So no, they don't have to be under the cap for that sort of thing.

So none of these deals are official until Friday?

Safe to assume the cap space would have to be available on Friday/day of signing though, correct?

The Chiefs aren’t going to have the cap space to keep taking big swings.

Veach already said in his presser that they wouldn’t be very active in the first week of FA.

And maybe that is the plan. Actually that probably is the plan.

And if it is, that’s fine, and smart.

Well he's been true to his word, lol

Isn’t edge rusher supposed to be the best/deepest position in this year’s draft?

Reid was an A+ signing. Now they just need depth along the defensive line and possibly a WR2. All of these guys can be had after the first week.

One of them, yes. WR is very deep as well.

This kinda feels like 2019 when we traded for Frank Clark

Chandler Jones is going to be 33 and has 11.5 sacks in the last 3 years; half of them in one game
Randy Gregory has 16.5 sacks in his career
Za’Darius Smith just had back surgery

Why would we not simply sign Melvin Ingram for significantly less if we want that? Seriously. Just bc teams have money to throw around doesn’t make them better than us.

There’s a lot of time left and like some of us said from the beginning, we want young healthy hungry players not injured old ones that will cost.

It's absolutely what I want them to do.

So how are Za'Darius Smith at that cap hit and Bilal Nichols at his not part of that?

I have ZERO interest in big contracts for defensive players. Haven't for quite some time. Was largely ambivalent towards re-signing vs. trading Jones - was fine he came back on a good contract, would've been fine with a philosophical shift there as well.

But damn man, they gotta get started. Maybe it's Rasheem Green and Arden Key. There are still options that can take their DL from arguably the worst in football to firmly average. They're not ****ed here.

Not yet.

But ****ed isn't far.

Have em throw in Lane Johnson to fix RT lol

WR Jarvis Landry will visit the Atlanta Falcons, per sources

Correct.

I believe you can then go back over the cap at some point; maybe around draft time. Then you have to be back under by the beginning of camp.

So really it's not difficult to do this stuff. You have have to have an understanding with the player and the agent. It's why you so rarely see these flips - you think Jerrah is going to be doing any favors for Randy Gregory's agent anytime soon? I suspect he will not.

Most agents aren't willing to torch that kind of capital.

Got it, thanks. I quit paying attention to this part of the process a while back.

I would be perfectly fine with this scenario:

- Sign JuJu to a one year prove it deal
- Draft edge in Round 1 and 2
- Draft corner in Round 3 (including the comp pick)
- Draft running back in Round 4

Only the usual suspects will.

Za'Darius Smith is the first FA off the board that I really thought was an option for the Chiefs. I'm mildly surprised at the deal he took, considering the Chiefs simply restructuring Kelce would have created enough space to fit that in if it was a matter of timing. (But maybe the years were too many for them).

I'm not surprised they didn't swing at Jones or Miller.

I'm interested to see the plan from here, though.

Do we have all of our 2023 picks or have we traded any?

Veach doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would give a 4 year deal to an almost 30 year old DE with a back injury.

I believe we have them all plus the extra comp 3rd. And we’ll likely have more comp picks as well.

Offseason speculation processing:

Pound the table for FA/Trades
Devalue moves that other teams make
Justify Frank Clark coming back while remaining hopeful
Elevate bargain bin players who weren't on your radar a day ago
THE DRAFT was the plan all along like you wanted
Go to another AFCCG
???
Profit