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Bugeater 01-29-2017 11:25 PM

Aaaaand the standard response of blaming everyone but Alex.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-29-2017 11:27 PM

FINAL DRIVE
Opening play-> 25 yarder to Kelce
2nd and 25 (after Ware face mask penalty) -> 17 yard strike to Kelce
4th and 8 -> pass to conley gains 12 yards
4th and 2 -> First down to Sherman. Sets up the Ware TD

Yea he doesn't make big throws. Never.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-29-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverEater (Post 12717072)
Aaaaand the standard response of blaming everyone but Alex.

Reading comprehension, pal.

Bugeater 01-29-2017 11:29 PM

You're right. He'll make the big throw that doesn't quite win you the game. Every single time.

There's our common ground.

Chiefspants 01-29-2017 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12717071)
He missed 1-2 opportunities, but then again Fisher/Fulton did a shit job with protection in key parts of the game. 4-5 receiver drops were a much bigger problem in this game. A stagnant run game didn't help the situation either.

The receiver drops were a problem. Though a tight throw to Kelce in the 3rd(?) likely results in a completed pass (it was a bad underthrow, though I was happy he took the shot).

I wish that Alex could carry us to a victory in critical games like this. I am not convinced he will ever do this for the Chiefs. He's done this in the regular season a few times (2014 against Buffalo and Seattle and 2016 against San Diego and Denver) come to mind. He almost did this against the Colts, and it's why I was generally on the pro-Alex train until the end of 2014/start of 2015.

I felt that 2015 was his make or break year. I said before 2016 that I felt he hit his ceiling in his divisional round, but he was welcome to prove me wrong. Looking back at this year, he simply did not prove that he deserved to be our starter in the future.

But, I am not paid to make these decisions, Dorsey and Reid are. I suppose he'll have another chance to make me eat **** in 2017.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-29-2017 11:31 PM

Denver Game
3rd and 1 in the red zone: converts 5 yards to Conley
4th and 10 inside the 15: gains 11 yards to Tyreek
1st and Goal: TD strike to Tyreek
2 point conversion: bullet to Harris

Yea, Alex Smith can't make the big throws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8b60EBxW4

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-29-2017 11:38 PM

Hard to say a guy has hit his ceiling when he his TD rate is identical, his pass completion% goes up, his QBR goes up, his sack numbers goes down 40%

ALL of this while his 12 million dollar wide receiver self admitted that he played like shit that entire season

Could you imagine what would happen to Matt Ryan's numbers if Julio Jones went down? Or if Luck lost TY hilton? Dalton without AJ green? Winston without Mike Evans?

****ing Philip Rivers just played his worst season in 10 years, you don't think the loss of Keenan Allen had anything to do with it?

Chiefspants 01-29-2017 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12717081)
Denver Game
3rd and 1 in the red zone: converts 5 yards to Conley
4th and 10 inside the 15: gains 11 yards to Tyreek
1st and Goal: TD strike to Tyreek
2 point conversion: bullet to Harris

Yea, Alex Smith can't make the big throws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ8b60EBxW4

Regular Season wins aren't going to do it for me.

I watched highlights of Pete Stoyanovich's 54 yard field goal against Denver over and over as a child.

The Chiefs beat the Super Bowl Champs that day. Unfortunately, they lost to Denver when it mattered. This has been the Chiefs way ever since 1970.

The Alex and Andy haven't proven that they can put together postseason performances when it matters. Yes, that means BIG throws when it matters.

You know what no one talks about in the Broncos-Ravens 2013 playoff matchup? The critical drops Jacoby Jones had in the game - the reason is that Joe kept throwing to him until it lead them to the biggest upset of the postseason.

Drops are going to happen. To Alex, they're devastating, because he rarely takes these kinds of risks throughout the game. For us to win, Alex has to be winning to take more chances throughout the next season and postseason. He had the chance to lead us to victory against the Steelers, and he simply didn't pull the trigger.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 01-30-2017 12:10 AM

Yea, well thank God Dorsey doesn't give a flying **** what you think. Enjoy the ride or get lost.

Chiefspants 01-30-2017 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12717105)
Enjoy the ride or get lost.

Yeah we know. We were told the same thing in the Pioli era.

This is a much more enjoyable ride - but it feels awfully similar to what we had with Marty.

Mephistopheles Janx 01-30-2017 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 12717105)
Yea, well thank God Dorsey doesn't give a flying **** what you think. Enjoy the ride or get lost.

If AFCW championship banners are your thing... this team is custom built for you.

Chiefspants 01-30-2017 12:46 AM

If the Chiefs draft a quarterback in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft and have him sit behind Alex - I would not bash Smith and will fully support him and the coaching staff throughout the 2017 season. That's all it will take for my vote of confidence.

We've seen too many generational players and talented teams leave KC without a title, planning for the future, even if it meant another year of Alex, is something long overdue and something I'd proudly get behind.

nkd 01-30-2017 12:49 AM

I really don't think its Alex, yes he could improve. I think its Andy who gets conservative. He relies too much on his D and won't take chances in a close game. Look what happened against steelers. They tried to come back and started playing well in third quarter but the damn drops hurt them on an excellent drive. Kelce was too dumb for his own good on that drive. He converted 3rd and 20 and then another drop on 3rd and 4 to keep the drive moving. Andy tries to kill the clock all game in a close game. He did that on the last drive too. Too much time wasted after 1st and goal. they had like 5 minutes. Their goal should have been to make a quick touchdown and then try to get the ball back with 2 timeouts still remaining. Instead, he wasted a timeout and wasted so much time with runs.

Mephistopheles Janx 01-30-2017 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nkd (Post 12717128)
I really don't think its Alex, yes he could improve. I think its Andy who gets conservative. He relies too much on his D and won't take chances in a close game. Look what happened against steelers. They tried to come back and started playing well in third quarter but the damn drops hurt them on an excellent drive. Kelce was too dumb for his own good on that drive. He converted 3rd and 20 and then another drop on 3rd and 4 to keep the drive moving. Andy tries to kill the clock all game in a close game. He did that on the last drive too. Too much time wasted after 1st and goal. they had like 5 minutes. Their goal should have been to make a quick touchdown and then try to get the ball back with 2 timeouts still remaining. Instead, he wasted a timeout and wasted so much time with runs.

Agreed. Andy, though, doesn't make Alex miss open targets. Andy doesn't force Alex to throw short of the sticks on third down. Andy didn't force Alex to have the LOWEST Yards in the Air of ANY starter in the NFL.

sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/

i.imgur.com/py5PVAl.jpg

(still cannot hot link)

Bigdaddy 01-30-2017 03:59 AM

Alex is better than Kaepernick, that's all that matters.


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