The nature of the thread is simply to provide a place to discuss this stuff. I post what I find interesting or entertaining but my interest should never be confused with belief in any particular thing. If you have some conflicting information for anything feel free to post it. Wouldn't be much of a discussion without different viewpoints.

Regarding the manual, if I remember right Berliner was ambivalent about them from the very beginning. There's been a pretty heavy effort to debunk them all along, as well as work to ascertain their provenance.

I tend to think of them much like the mj-12 docs: they're probably fake, with some snippets of real information in them. I think, for example, there was a group much like that outlined in the mj-12 docs, including the rumored members, but it was called something else.

I think there's a combination of disinformation by people like Doty and Moore, which includes some kernels of truth and some few real whistleblowers.

The story behind the manual seems very far fetched, some unknown individual taking pictures of them and then getting them developed at a pharmacy, or however it goes.

But on the flip side if they are fake then who, how and why? Just to **** with Berliner, try to pull one over on ufo nuts? To try to make some cash? Seems like an awful lot of work for no real payoff.

And on top of that, the document was made with, allegedly, the same type writer used in other counterfeit reports, and Truman's signature was directly lifted off another document. Im not 100% on the details, but there seems to be substantial evidence against it.

And yeah, im not trying to shit on the thread either.

I find this stuff very, very fascinating. I was watching a documentary the other night on the Phoenix Lights.....now there's one that's hard to explain.

On a completely unrelated note, I think the next few years will be interesting with regards to RAF Bentwaters. I think/have always thought Rendlesham may be more of a watershed event than even Roswell, and we'll have a lot of people hitting retirement age before too long.

Oh man....same here.

I was 8-9 years old, home alone at night and decided to watch this. Freaked me the **** out.

I think you might be mixing your stories but I'm not sure.

In any case you can't shit on the thread. I'm not sure why you guys keep worrying about that.

I would suggest though that if you're going to make some broad claims (pro or con) it might be worthwhile to provide some links to support or verify what you're saying. I follow this stuff pretty closely but it's impossible to keep track of every book or interview. So anything you may have seen or heard that sheds light (about anything...) I'm interested in hearing about.

Travis Walton's given some good interviews in the last six months.

His story is actually quite a bit different from the movie. He thinks he was killed by accident, brought aboard the ship and brought back to life. Technologically I should say, not some woowoo new age stuff.

I know one interview was on the paracast. I'll have to dig around for any others. Might have done open minds. Was I think on coast to coast but that wouldn't be available.

Here's the paracast: http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/n...travis-walton/

Once you've read a number of books from "INTRUDERS" to strange $3it like "COMMUNION" to the "Interrupted Journey" about the Betty and Barney Hill case there is only one thing you can conclude: IF these reports are reliable their perceptions have been distorted.

At the very beginning of these abductions all of them report time/perception distortions.

And each time someone is "taken" there's a description of something happening that we know not to be possible.

What if the "agent responsible" has the ability to cause hallucinations and sensations in people ? Be that the terrestrial or otherwise.

It's impossible to deny something is going on. There are far too many reports by otherwise sane people.

We should immediately quit questioning if something is going on and start investigating WHAT is going on...

Open Minds with Travis Walton: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/ufo_rad...duction-update

I appreciate the sentiment. But I don't really have much desire to be the debunking guy that shits on the thread contents, despite the urge with some of these topics. That's a surefire way for the thread to get stupid. Plus scott's head might actually explode.


The most popular of the debunkers have said that it was a misinformation thing. To me, it feels really fake. Like it was written with a very different audience in mind than military investigators. It had a bunch of useless info that you wouldn't expect.

Why would anybody go to the work of doing it? Same reason idiots go out in ape gear and make fake Bigfoot sightings.

I'm already that guy. I think we should all look skeptically at all of this. That's not being a debunker. That's acknowledging that you don't know everything and looking for evidence of whatever the truth is rather than believing (or not, in the case of debunkers...) in something just because I/you/we decide we want to.

That's the dirty little secrets about debunkers: at their core they're just a different kind of believer. Anti-believers maybe. Whatever they are, it's not skeptical and it doesn't have anything to do with science. That's not what you're doing.

Discussing reasons why something may not be real is exactly the kind of thing we should be doing...

The Hills was probably the first well publicized case of abduction, and try as many did to poke holes in their testimony, no one ever could.

Travis Walton, all I can say is that people have picked at it for decades now and no one has veered from their story one iota, many have even re-passed more modern polygraphs. The book was awesome, but in a very rare instance, a tv show/movie equaled the book. This episode of Paranormal Witness brings back all but one of the men there that night and the emotions are still just as plainly raw as they were that night, the one guy is still crying almost like a baby over the fear it produced in him, decades later...

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PS - Fish, hahaha no... this is one subject I will promise to never argue or get all mad about, might have in the past a little bit, but the older I get the more I realize its not my job to convince anyone of anything.

I totally understand how hard it might be for so many to not give a second thought to if they hadnt witnessed the things I've witnessed.

Yeah I watched that episode of Paranormal Witness which was awesome.

I actually quite like that show...

Sightings back in the day was another doozy...they were the first to bring the Sallie House case to light so they're cool in my book lol.

I swear to god the government manipulates the weather in South FL.
Which I think is cool, but why keep it a secret? I don't get it.
I'm gonna take some pics of this shit and show you guys.
At dawn, and I know this because I have been getting up and Slaying 2-3lb (and up) Bass out of the Golf course lake about 10 paces from my door, There is a crisscross of contrails across the sky.
By 1pm they have dispersed out and give a light cloud coverage that probably knocks the Temp down 5-10 deg.
Why all the secrecy?

Nothing has ever been as cool as In Search Of. Unsolved Mysteries was pretty good too.