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Sweet Daddy Hate 01-16-2009 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 5395817)
So why did they wait until the 7th round to take him? Because he wasn't the obvious choice. Nobody else saw the talent except those attached to the Pats organization. But anyways, I'll go ahead and take Pete Carroll's word for it over yours..compare the guy to Leinart and Palmer. Palmer had a good start but has since fallen off and Leinart hasn't done jack since he's been in the NFL.

Pete Carroll is mad as a mother****er over this, and even a blind man can see it. I'd be mad too. Mark is a once in a decade player who could easily take USC to the Big Show next year. He's as ready to jump to, and learn the next level as he will ever be.

As for Cassel, I'd call that good research meets BPA in the slot. If you wish to call it a calculated "choice", then we disagree.

beach tribe 01-16-2009 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395815)
The point is why would anyone think a guy coming from a team that has always had a upper tier QB just all of the sudden not value the position?

I'm sorry the guy is way to smart to just think he can pull another HOFer out of the 6th round.

Pioli has also shown the propensity to make a trade even if he's not getting exactly what the value chart shows, to make sure he benefits his team. Which is smart IMO. Like if the chart says you're supposed to get two firsts. He may settle for a first, and a 2nd, and a later pick, because it would be the best thing for his team.

beach tribe 01-16-2009 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 5395817)
So why did they wait until the 7th round to take him? Because he wasn't the obvious choice. Nobody else saw the talent except those attached to the Pats organization. But anyways, I'll go ahead and take Pete Carroll's word for it over yours..compare the guy to Leinart and Palmer. Palmer had a good start but has since fallen off and Leinart hasn't done jack since he's been in the NFL.

And also because they were smart enough to know that he could be had that late in the draft. Why take him sooner when you don't have to? That doesn't make any sense.

beach tribe 01-16-2009 07:05 AM

I think Stafford has the most potential to become one of the GREATS, BUT I believe Sanchez is the sure deal. It almost seems like a lock to me that this guy will come in, and succeed. Although I know that it is impossible to say so for sure.

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395787)
I'm pretty sure that Carson Palmer guy is pretty good.....

So how about you think about what you say before you say it, some of us don't want a DE because they aren't worth those picks, anyone who thinks Brian Orakpo is worth the 3rd pick is crazy.

I'm glad to see you've come around on the DE's.

Frankie 01-16-2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395787)
I'm pretty sure that Carson Palmer guy is pretty good.....

So how about you think about what you say before you say it, some of us don't want a DE because they aren't worth those picks, anyone who thinks Brian Orakpo is worth the 3rd pick is crazy.

I was a fan of getting Palmer even before his great senior season. But I have to be fair here. He has had basically ONE great NFL season. So has Derek Anderson. Can't really use Palmer as a great example here.

Frankie 01-16-2009 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395798)
None of these guys are remotely that kind of prospect....do you realize how good the top of that Derrick Thomas draft was?

If you don't like QB's you better start listing off who you like better, and if you list off some guy who's likely not a top 10 pick I will laugh at you...

I'd love to see someone try to argue for Orakpo talk about a school I wouldn't draft a player from that's one of them.

Orakpo is overrated.

KChiefs1 01-16-2009 09:04 AM

How big would the meltdown be if....Pioli decided to trade down pick up some extra picks & then picked Nate Davis in the 3rd round?

I can only imagine.

beach tribe 01-16-2009 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie (Post 5395985)
Orakpo is overrated.

If we switch to 3-4 any time soon, Orakpo would be a beast OLB.

KChiefs1 01-16-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395815)
The point is why would anyone think a guy coming from a team that has always had a upper tier QB just all of the sudden not value the position?

I'm sorry the guy is way to smart to just think he can pull another HOFer out of the 6th round.

Even if Pioli thinks Nate Davis is a future HOFer?

KChiefs1 01-16-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5395798)
None of these guys are remotely that kind of prospect....do you realize how good the top of that Derrick Thomas draft was?

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Frosty 01-16-2009 09:34 AM

I can't believe all of this Sanchez = Leinart bullshit just because they went to the same school. Does Peyton Manning = Tee Martin? :doh!: Sanchez has more physical tools than Leinart and is also reportedly a student of the game versus party boy Leinart. Sanchez's lack of experience is a concern but the fact that he played at USC isn't, IMO.

Tribal Warfare 01-16-2009 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5395993)
If we switch to 3-4 any time soon, Orakpo would be a beast OLB.

IMO, Everrett Brown bypasses Orkapo when comes to flat out taking over games

beach tribe 01-16-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5396101)
IMO, Everrett Brown bypasses Orkapo when comes to flat out taking over games

I agree.

Chiefnj2 01-16-2009 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5396101)
IMO, Everrett Brown bypasses Orkapo when comes to flat out taking over games

He takes over games against poor competition like Gholston did.


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