I was assuming something similar, maybe a little more on the annual average, which is probably the max the Chiefs could afford but after watching how Veach works I'm also assuming he shot CJ's agent this offer before the draft. So if CJ and his agent think they will make the Chiefs flinch by holding out I'm afraid they are playing chicken with a freight train.

Yup - the 'buffer' effect of having an agent is a big deal that these guys seem to always overlook.

Good points. I think sacks are a bit over rated. Its much more than that. Blocked passes, total pressures , playing inside & out , stuffing the run and availability are just as important.

Maybe KC is not offering the # of years Jones wants?

Regardless: You cant reward selfish negotiating when you have a championship roster to extend and refill each season. The league is offense first and defense is an afterthought.

That's the thing that's annoying about the "How can we not pay him as much as TJ Watt?!?!" stuff.

Watt AVERAGED 15 sacks/season prior to last year's injury year. He's demonstrated year in, year out dominance. He's been a monster.

Jones has been a very very good player and had a great quasi-platform season. But he's not been Watt. In what was arguably Jones best season (2018) our defense was hot !@#$ing garbage. Even last season we were firmly mid-pack.

This team goes as Patrick Mahomes goes. But TJ Watt has been the anchor of a defense that was pretty instrumental in any success the Steelers had. His QBs have been the corpse of Big Ben and Kenny Pickett with a Mason Rudolph interlude. Why SHOULD the Chiefs pay Jones what the Steelers paid Watt?

And I think Jones is monumentally important to this team - but he's not as important to KC as Watt is to Pittsburgh. He's not as good in a vacuum. And that's the case with Watt, Bosa, Donald and Garrett - all the guys that are being paid more than him.

He's just not being reasonable.

You would think seeing what Pat has done with his brand and how that can be more lucrative than game cheques he has Luke trying to copy him , but this is going to hurt his off the field/post retirement earning potential especially if he ends up finishing his career playing on a shitty team.

Watt is also younger...the only guy on that list older than Jones is Donald and a big reason he got that deal is because he threatened to retire.

So you think that it was the Ravens said?

You don't guarantee more than 2-3 years because it is a dumb decision for a team to do that with any player.

The money the Ravens are paying Lamar Jackson says that they believe in him as a QB.

And the Rams were pushing their chips in for a final run before they had to deal with the consequences of their draft pick trades.

They HAD to have Donald. Where they were in the competitive cycle put them over a barrel.

The Chiefs aren't there. Donald ****ed the Rams because he could - Jones can't do that.

Hard for me to compare a dt to a de but that’s what he wants to be paid like so …..

When you have to negotiate directly with a player it isn't hard to get hurt feelings. A GM and an agent can talk about upside and downfalls and why said player falls into a certain tier.

It's much more precarious when you have to tell a guy who thinks he's your franchise player he isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Then sitting out and throwing money away is the exact worst thing he could be doing for himself, if money is what he's after.

If his primary objective is money, then reporting and balling out this year is the best thing you can do. You get all the money you are owed this year and you set yourself up great for a top dollar contract with someone.

By sitting, you are now actively throwing away money that is owed to you, driving down your value on the tag, and actively driving down your own value on your next contract in the eyes of other owners.

It's probably even more precarious when you have to tell that to the players mom. LOL

Speaking of...what the hell is going on in SF? Nick Bosa is probably the only DL in the league currently that deserves an Aaron Donald contract. It's bizarre that they haven't gotten that done, especially with that team.

Damn John. You're the GM of a team that just shit away 3 draft picks and has a rookie QB contract on the books for at least 3 more years. What's the hold up?

You could make an argument for Micah Parsons, but Nick Bosa is that guy. He's incredible. Take him off that team and they suffer immensely.

I don't get it

Trying to understand the CTE addled mind of a GM that traded 3 firsts and a third for a player they let play essentially 4 games, and then trade that player away for a 4 is a fools errand.

Lynch is probably trying to find the optimal package of 5th and 6th rounders to trade Bosa for.

Bosa probably wants 32 per year for 5 years with 4 gtd right?