He surely sees it but just has loyalty to KJ.

Merely pointing out Bidunga was more productive per minute at the time and I even mentioned I expected a regression.

My point remains. To be the best team he needs more minutes. You can always increase Hunts minutes in games that matter in March. That is the point. Bdiunga can get better by playing and Dickinson won't get better by playing more games.

Bill is a try to be as good as you can every minute. Thats one of the reasons we usually overperform in Torvik and Kenpom predictive efficiency rankings. I am a develop players to be as good as you can in March guy...at least if you know you are going to be a Top 4 protected seed. If this was college football set up I wouldn't be but the regular season only matters so much in NCAA BBall.

ROFL

Best player in CBB as long as he doesn't have to play against the really tall guys.

Which reminds me that UK doesn't have anyone his size.

There are very few guys in the NCAA that are 7'2 and 270 pounds, yeah. It helps to be big playing basketball. Shocking, I know.

Don't need one.

You’re probably right, UK likely will lose to an Oakland level team again in March rather than getting deep enough to play KU/Dickinson.

Cal coaches for Arkansas now.

I get it... as long as Bill Self becomes a better coach, there's better talent around him, he gets all the spacing he needs, he doesn't have to play against anyone who's really tall, and nobody makes him angry enough to kick anyone, he's clearly the best player in CBB.

I wonder if Shaq would have done worse during his NBA career if everyone was the same size as him.

It won’t be enough to save you.

Yep. Now you’ve got a guy who is 0-2 in the first round, both vs 11 seeds.

Right. All signs point that way. :spock:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bill Self tells The Star that <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KUbball?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KUbball</a> signee Bryson Tiller will enroll at semester and join the team in January as a redshirt: <br><br>Scoop from <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryBedore?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GaryBedore</a>:<a href="https://t.co/C9dg6yrR2g">https://t.co/C9dg6yrR2g</a></p>&mdash; Scott Chasen (@ChasenScott) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChasenScott/status/1868767273609314525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's pretty sick news

Can he ****ing shoot?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seems rather silly that there are people that exist, claim to like Kansas basketball, and deny that Hunter Dickinson is very, very good. Just doesn’t seem like that should be a thing. <a href="https://t.co/idIqzbtgaU">https://t.co/idIqzbtgaU</a></p>&mdash; Rock Chalk Blog (@RockChalkBlog) <a href="https://twitter.com/RockChalkBlog/status/1869173283763216550?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

358 out of 364 teams in Free Throw attempts

A team relying on DaJuan Harris for offense will do that.

Get Zeke Mayo and AJ Storr the ball and get the **** outta the way.

Kansas fans don’t appreciate how good Graham and Mason were.

I lost count of how many times they went body-seeking on a broken possession to end up at the line.

He won’t play until next year, but he’s a more modern 4 than KJ Adams.

If Bidunga comes back, this 4/5 duo should be pretty good.

A lot of fans don't like Dickinson due to his antics. Understandable to an extent, but he's clearly one of the top players in the game.

I don't like him because he's a foot-shuffling, largely unathletic, asshole.

I won't deny that he's a stat-filler. But he's reached his ceiling in basketball, so I hope he's made enough NIL money or has a backup plan after this season.

Probably Europe.

He would be a good draw over there. He still had a chance to be able to retire at 30.

Seems like something a really tall guy could resolve by being aggressive and drawing fouls.

He'll be playing pro ball in Europe making money for years to come (but not as much as he is currently making at KU, which I understand is about $2M, otherwise he'd already be there). Bigs of his size that can space the floor will always have a spot.

Dickinson draws more fouls per 40 minutes than anyone on the team this year other than Flory.

Again, he's not the issue with anything offensively. He's really the only thing that has been keeping this team afloat offensively with as bad as everyone else around him has been shooting the ball.

Imagine him surrounded by 4 shooters? It would be beautiful.

Dickinson is not making 2 million

The rumor was 2/4M when he initially signed here. It has to be quite substantial to keep him from going pro in Europe regardless.

Brown @ KU 2:00 pm CT today....KU -24.5 ESPN

Self said they had a great week of practice and are getting healthy. Also said he expects to see the transfers start playing to their potential (usually takes newcomers roughly a semester to figure it all out).

Interested to see how they look today.

Mayo looking good

Team falls apart again without Dickinson on the court

This is just not a top seed type team. They will pull away and win this by alot but this team just isn't it.

As long as Harris and KJ get the minutes they do we simply cannot reach our ceiling.

Maybe we snag a 2 seed and make a FF. Definitely can happen its just a weaker team than preseason predictions the last couple of years.

Harris isn’t an issue

Adams 0 points, 3 reb

He and Harris play about 36ish minutes combined in the first half and we get 1-4 2 points 3 rebounds 4 assists. Out of two players. Unbelievably bad production for 2 players who will absolutely never be benched in the tournament.

He is, has been, and always will be.

There is a reason he didn't play the last 7 minutes in the 2022 National Championship.

Hes a very good player on his own but very limiting. Not really a guy you want to have the ball in his hands at the end of the shot clock. Cant get fouled. Cant really create his own shot.

This team hasn’t even scratched the surface of its potential, yet they were still good enough to beat a loaded Duke team without Dickinson for the last 10 min.

Like Bill said, it takes newcomers a while to reach the point that they’re playing and not thinking too much. When Storr and Griffen start playing to their potential, they’ll be very good.

Storr has never even been very good yet in college. He just got to shoot alot.

He was by far the best player on a pretty good Wisconsin team.

Inefficient scorer, avg defender for no god damned reason, below avg rebounder, TERRIBLE passer, doesn't get steals or blocks, decent shooter. Should be able to get to the line is the redeeming thing about him but as we've seen in the Bill Self offense that hasn't happened yet. Would love to see him get the ball if deep in the shot clock and for Harris to get outta the way at such point.

That's usually how I figure out who will make the Final Four... watch them against Brown during the week of Christmas.

Has nothing to do with Brown. Has to do with how we play and roster usage.

I will say if Griffin can show hes a legit big time shooter that would go a long way. No reason not to believe he won't come alive later in the season.

And again not a bad team but at Kansas and based on preseason prognosticators this team is a bit overrated.

Rooooooooock chaaaaaalk Jaaaaaaaayhawk KkkkkkkkkkkkkkUuuuuuuuuuu

So, because they were ranked preseason #1, they need to be the best team in the country from day one?

They need to be a #1 seed.

KU can be a one seed but they’d have to bench KJ to do it (not Harris, who they badly need for his defense)

And they easily could be.

How did this consensus ever develop that other teams players are great but we have 2-3 players every year that suck so bad they'd be lucky to play for Missouri state?

Juan and KJ with 10 combined shots today.

Perfect!

I think you just described every sports message board.

ROFL True

bump for gameday.

If anyone is interested in some decent priced tickets without fees, I have 4 left for ASU, 4 for UCF, and 2 left for both Iowa State and OKlahoma State.

Terrible tip time at 1p; then add on it's on ESPN+. Ugh.

No effort whatsoever in the first four minutes, I’d bench everyone on the floor myself after that display

WVU not guarding KJ as you’d expect

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He’s gonna leave this program after watching this display.

I feel like I’m watching a late 90’s Big 10 game.

Or last year's team. The offensive problems haven't gone anywhere.

Are we sure this is a tournament team? Because getting beaten down at home by this version of WVU would suggest they’re not.

My expectations for this team are officially off the board. I mean bare minimum requirement is to make the tournament. Besides that I don't see them winning conference, but they could. They could lose in the first round or make a final four. We just need to flush Dickinson, Harris, and Adams.

Win conference? Let’s start with going above 500 in the B12 and going from there. If they can’t beat WVU at home, that’s gonna be an issue in itself.

All I'm saying is all possibilities are open. Whereas in the past winning conference was a near certainty. I don't have expectations beyond getting into the tournament.

This team could also come out blazing at half and win this game by 10. Maybe.

That might have been the worst half I’ve seen any Bill Self team ever play. There’s something rotten going on with this team even beyond the obvious flaws (KJ on offense).

Are they gonna bench KJ at half? Might be tough to do so otherwise considering they have no spacing/shooting when he’s on the floor.

Ah, so another uninspired game... shocking.

I’m again asking Bill to reconsider having KJ in the starting lineup.

He won’t do it and it will ultimately be the death of this team. They’ve got far bigger issues right now than that though if none of his players can even get up for the first home game of conference season.

Here is the list of adjustments Self made at the half:

I’d argue it’s impossible to address those other issues when a 0/0 is getting 30 minutes a game.

Maybe a home beatdown by a mediocre team to start conference play will actually get him to start contemplating playing a modern basketball lineup but I doubt it. He literally changed nothing after the no shows at Creighton and Mizzou either.

First conference opener loss since 1991, will that wake him up?

See more from Flory this half than I have from KJ for a month.

This one isn't over just yet

KJ benched for 1st round pick Flory and the team goes on a mini run, amazing