We'd all love to see a raw-talent play or two from the rook.

He's not a raw-talent guy, though.

Lunch pail, high-motor, blah blah blah.

I am bud

This is a very fair point I reckon. I'd add that Bills still need to win something. If they win this year I'd say that immediately elevates Beane alongside Veach imo, but that's a big IF. He won't have made it to 2 SBs like Veach or had the same sustained success, but the roster will have been all his. He wasn't gifted 2 HOFers (he was given excellent safeties though).

At that point, as you say, we'll see how well Bills can sustain that success with the same cap restraints we have. If they don't win it this year, they're going to need to keep drafting very well to improve.

I'll be there next to you to take a big dump on him when the time comes.

While true, you have to take into consideration the ridiculous expectations and everything that comes with that.

What other GM get bashed every time their team loses a game, or if the team doesn't win a SB every single year?

We're coming off a game agaisnt "the best team in the NFL" where many of us thought we might get our ass kicked between injuries and Gay's suspension. Despite all that, the Chiefs more than held their own, and probably should've won if it weren't for Mahomes/Andy not being close to their best down the stretch.

In the middle of a transition year, we're sitting here having to defend Veach because we lost a close game to the "best team in the NFL".

It's all pretty absurd.

Now that's kinky LMAO

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"Absurd" is CP's middle name.

I would push back a bit on "transition year".

I understand it and don't necessarily disagree but when you've got this HC and this QB, every year is a win year IMO.

You want the "GOAT" status and such as the QB, well, these are the expectations. Fair or not.

karlaftis will start getting sacks when clyde starts breaking 20+ yard runs

we just have to put flying pigs into the gameplan

You can push back on that all you want, but many of us acknowledged that it was exactly what this year was based on the offseason.

Of course that doesn't mean that you still can't compete for a championship though. Are we not?

That's kind of the point. We're clearly in a state of transition, yet we just went to to toe and should've beat the "best team in the NFL" despite that and missing some key pieces.

What the **** more could people ask for?

If you read OKchiefs posts the last few weeks ever since the Colts game, you would think this season has been a completely failure.

People are already declaring draft picks are busts 6 games into their rookie seasons.

This place has gone full ****ing reerun.

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Oh, you acknowledged it alright.

I think people (myself) are just upset because there's a pattern developing with games like this and blowing them.

I'm also cranky so maybe it's just that.

I would guess your biggest problem is actually reading OKchiefs posts and giving them any sort of credence.

I don't let pigeons give me financial advice, I won't listen to him give football opinion. s

The pattern that's developing is that Mahomes needs to play better in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line.

Maybe you should just place some of the reeruns on ignore and lower your blood pressure. Just a thought.

I've done that with htismaqe and its added years on to my life.....


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Exactly, and Reid needs to be better calling plays to close out games.

Being that's it's those 2, I'm confident that they can get their shit together.

ROFL

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Yeah, and that's not ideal.

It's also 100% fixable. Or better yet, it's just a minor blip that will correct itself over time.

It's Patrick Mahomes. If he's one of our bigger problems, we'll be more than fine.

Yeah and it's also if that's one of the bigger problems and it's not fixable we're ****ed anyway.

I'm guessing based on his history, we be fine.

It is. And it's also because he doesn't have that connection with these WRs like he did with Hill. It will come over time but being 4-2 with a brand new set of WRs is pretty damn good.

Yeah, on the list of things to REALLY worry about, that one is pretty low because the tide will eventually turn there. I'm more concerned about (season long stuff):

1. Our inability to generate enough pressure with our 4-Man front.

2. The really questionable play from our OT's - it HAS TO improve.

3. Injuries in our Defensive Backfield

4. Getting consistent production from our WR's

5. Relying on a running game that consists on how well Pat does by scrambling for first downs.

There's always room for one more. ;)

Suggestion: push away from that tainted crystal ball you’re peddling…

All years without Mahomes.


Empty, dead years......

This is team is really good in spite of having 3 clear areas where we're somewhere between not very good and absolute dog-shit. That's amazing and should be celebrated. But I don't see how or why people think it necessary to ignore where we're weak.

From my perspective having 3 crappy areas is also kind of encouraging. It means a team this good can get even better. I mean ANYTHING at DE or DT would probably make us better, almost anything at OT or WR. You can acknowledge that whilst also enjoying the UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS we're having.

Honestly with the turnover on this team and the early schedule it is amazing that they are 4-2 and took one of the best teams to the end with a chance to win. Imagine when the offense and defense start to gel. They are going to be very good.

I still think he’s white Tamba. He just doesn’t have Jared Allen across from him chasing QBs to his side like Tamba did early.

He’s been really close to having 3-4 sacks at this point and the more he refined his technique and learns his opponents weaknesses, the more those plays that were/are close will convert into finished sacks.

Also, Tamba and Jared were all we had at end at the time and Tamba was playing about 90% of snaps…where George isn’t anywhere near that because they have 4 they rotate here. So less opportunities.

I still think he ends the year with 7-8 sacks and may get more. He will start to produce more down the stretch.

Wow - that'd be an enormous 2nd half of the season if he can do that, especially for a guy that has accumulated .5 sacks to date. Here's hoping...

if he's lucky he can be the next mike catapano

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Agreed, was hoping for more of an impact.

It's the fact that he routinely gets outplayed by Shart Clark that makes me irritated.

You’ll be back sucking his dick pretty soon.

He can only suck so many dicks at once. Right now he's cock gobbling Geno.

I'm no NFL scout, but I see nothing about him that says "high ceiling". His college tape was good, but so was CEH's.

For crying out loud, it's week 6, guys. You guys know that a lot of rookie pass-rushers, some of whom played for this team, started slow in the sack department that later became solid or even great pass-rushers, right?

Just one example: Justin Houston. No sacks through his first 10 or 11 games, finished the season with 5.5. The following year he had 10, then 11 the next, then 22.

Now I'm not saying Karlaftis is going to follow the same exact trajectory; some of you knee-jerk reactionaries can keep your pants on, I'm just saying that we need to let things play out a while longer. The kid is a rookie going into his 7th week in the NFL. And it's not like he's been shut out. He's got 4-5 QB hits I think, 13 pressures(?), a TFL . . . he's shown some flashes, he'll be fine. Still think he can get 7-9 sacks before the season is over.

Uh yeah. George has played a handful of NFL games. Frank is playing for money this year and has years of experience.

Not exactly a difficulty thing to read

LMAO

It's the principle of the matter. If Shartzi McPoopypants can make an impact, then Karlaftis damn sure can too.

Describing him as "high motor" and "lunchpail" worries me.

It worried me then and it worries me now.

This is just Clark Derangement Syndrome.

He already has. No, he doesn't have the sacks. Yet. And he isn't consistent. Yet.

But to act like he's had zero impact is simply disingenuous.

And just for the record, Karlaftis is actually performing relatively fine compared to his peers in this draft class. Let's just establish that now.

clark the shart

georgey the corgi

And it's frustrating that everybody just wants to ignore this.

It's not a coincidence either.

The bottom line is that position is not an easy transition to the NFL for the majority of players. Yes, you have your Nick Bosa types, but most early round picks at that position take time.

georgey the corgi threatening your QB

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Being considered a high motor guy is not an issue in itself.

We've had two incredible pass rushers who would have been described as high motor guys in Jared Allen and Tamba Hali.

It's just that stupid mindset that hard-working guys can't also be physically gifted.

People have it in their head that trying hard is making up for a lack of athleticism, as if they're mutually exclusive.

Another thing about Karlaftis is, he's also younger than all of those guys in this class.

Dude just turned 21 this year.

If Aldon Smith had Karlaftis' heart he'd be killing quarterbacks.

If Karlaftis could have Aldon Smith's talent he will/would be killing quarterbacks.

I will say I am a bit disappointed at his performance in run defense so far. Figured that would've been something he could've excelled at relatively quickly but it's not the case. Oh well.

Lol 😆 now this is funny. The dog who can come close to biting your ankles, but comes up short.

They all looked good early. The last couple of games have been bad, though. And not just Karlaftis either.

Chris Jones seems to be displaying some bad habits again, too.

short arms

Absolutely, they've had a couple of tough matchups while dealing with injuries/suspension.

Getting McDuffie and Gay back this week, along with a bye after, should really help this team, not just defensively either.

ah, so likely he has a drinking problem

Well, that #1 rush defense ranking was sort of fools gold. Taylor was obviously playing nicked up for the Colts and the Buccaneers pretty much outright abandoned the run game. That skewed the stats incredibly.

This has already been discussed. We all already knew that the Bucs game would skew the stats in a huge way. I doubt anyone even here in CP thought KC really had the number 1 rushing defense in the league.

But for the last three seasons KC started each season with the worst run defense in the league, then got better as the season went on.

This team is better vs. the run to start the season than they have been since Mahomes became the starter. We get Gay back this week, which is going to help out our run D, and if Fenton and McDuffie get back, well those two are much better run defenders than the two rooks we had out there last week. But getting Willie back is the real difference maker for our defense, both vs. the run and the pass.

Computer is showing that I thumbs-downed this post and I certainly did NOT mean to. Sorry, bud!

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But but but CP told me he sucks

Drake Jackson has 4 sacks and 8 pressures in fewer than half the number of snaps as Karlaftis.

And that's not a knock on Karlaftis as much as it demonstrates the need for genuine depth and complementary skill-sets on the line.

It galls the absolute shit out of me that Veach and company thought they could get away with adding 1 player to a DL that was obviously not good last season.

No sacks = sucks

Amazing how pff credits him with so many pressures, yet he has an overall grade of 47.

I really wish we would have grabbed him in the 2nd round. ****.

means he can't get off blocks but on the rare occasion he does, he's getting a pressure

Going by PFFs own numbers, they had him with 6 pressures in week 1. So in the next 5 weeks he's averaged around 2 pressures a game. Gotta get that number closer to where he started.

Your expectation is 6 pressures per game?

LMAO

That would make him probably the best in the NFL, if not, top 5 at least.

If he's even getting 3 per game, that would be great.

Definitely would. The top pass rushers in the NFL typically end somewhere around 70 to 80

I'd have gone w/ Williams at 54 but I was really torn between him and Jackson. I liked both guys a lot. Jackson came on strong for me as the draft approached.

What I really wish we'd have done was take Tariq Woolen at 135 instead of that scrub from Pigsknuckle, Arkansas.

My hope for him was 3-4 pressures/gm. I wouldn't say 3/gm is 'great' but it's okay and a fine start for a rookie.

And the type of pressure would be relevant as well. A hurry is one thing, a hit is obviously something better (and a sack better still).

A lot of hurries just don't end up meaning much. Good QBs have fast clocks - about half the time they get hurried, they just do what they were gonna do anyway.

You’re bordering on O.City hate right now.

Just for reference, here's the top 5 in pressures from 2021

Crosby at 82
Hendrickson at 79
Ngakoue at 71
Nick Bosa at 68
Garrett at 66

Sometimes you just get lucky. No better example than Seattle. They were a dreadful drafting franchise for years after the LOB ended and this year they got very good book end tackles, a RB that flashed a lot last weekend, a damn good corner on day 3 and another corner (Bryant) who has flashed.

They just killed this draft

As of last week Nick Bosa had 31. He’s on pace for over 100 LMAO

He's a Bosa. He's getting injured sooner or later.

Do you know what the word closer means?

This FO seems to really struggle to identify pass rushers in the draft.