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beer bacon 06-07-2010 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803859)
and he's different than Frazod and a good portion of the other Muron throwing shit everywhere they can ... how?

The opposing fans that come into their rival's thread to take a shit always look like the bigger jerks.

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803889)
Got an internet link to listen live?

http://810whb.com/

2 different listen live links towards the top

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6803894)
The opposing fans that come into their rival's thread to take a shit always look like the bigger jerks.

especially when the judge is a MU guy

this thread was made by a KU guy and is about the entire Big 12 as much as anything.

luv 06-07-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803896)
http://810whb.com/

2 different listen live links towards the top

Thank you, hon.

Hmmm...automatically opened up my Media Player. WHBAM?

Pants 06-07-2010 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803890)
It always goes right in the toilet when Metrolike and Wickedson show up.

Of course, I'm sure that's a coincidence, right? :rolleyes:

Hahahaha, coming from the resident douchebag who's only repertoire is acidic venom as far as posts go. If you go back and read some of the things I said, they actually have something to do with the situation at hand as opposed to endless shit-talking that comes from you. I only start talking about KU's superiority over MU when reeruns like you start talking shit.

vailpass 06-07-2010 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6803280)
Notre Dame has regular rivalries... maybe not every single year, but they play Michigan, Michigan State, USC, etc; just about every year... and like KcMizzou said, they're Notre f***ing Dame.

On top of that, the Big 10's image has taken a huge hit in the past few years... why would Notre Dame want to be associated with the perception of that conference being left behind?

WTF?

Bambi 06-07-2010 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803889)
Got an internet link to listen live?

www.810whb.com

ArrowheadHawk 06-07-2010 11:00 AM

Has Mizzou left yet?

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 6803891)
Is it Steve Sippel being interviewed on 810 AM? If it is, he is a complete Nebraska homer. The Big 10 has always coveted Notre Dame over any other university.

Yes. He was basically bashing Mizzou acting like Neb was all superior when it came to academics.

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6803304)
Notre Dame has their own network, pull more money independently than they would in the B10 ($28M from football alone, not counting NBC), so between the NBC numbers and the BCS endowment of more than $5 billion. They get $1.3 million a year if they doesn't qualify for a Bowl Championship Series berth and $4.5 million if they do. They don't have to share that money with anyone. So the BCS system actually is encouraging Notre Dame to stay independent.

They already have a sweetheart deal with the BCS. What more can the B10 give?

The B10 Network is a huge step down from NBC. Financially and in viewership.

Brian Kelly said it a few weeks back - we want the flexibility to play coast-to-coast.

They already play 3-4 B10 schools a year, USC, plus another team or two from the Pac10, plus a game each, sometimes two against an ACC and Big East opponent.

And all of that doesn't even bring tradition into the mix, which is one of the main reasons given by ND everytime this comes up.

The best reason ND would have to move to the B10 is to cut down on travel costs for lower and non-revenue sports.

Otherwise, they'd be stupid to move, IMO.

Where did you get those $ numbers?

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6803910)
Hahahaha, coming from the resident douchebag who's only repertoire is acidic venom as far as posts go. If you go back and read some of the things I said, they actually have something to do with the situation at hand as opposed to endless shit-talking that comes from you. I only start talking about KU's superiority over MU when reeruns like you start talking shit.

bingo

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803890)
It always goes right in the toilet when Metrolike and Wickedson show up.

Of course, I'm sure that's a coincidence, right? :rolleyes:

wickedson has 300 posts how can he "always" anything. :shrug:

besides you aren't exactly known for getting along with KU people. ROFL

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6803921)
Has Mizzou left yet?

Not yet. The countdown clock is still going.

luv 06-07-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803915)

Thank ya, sir.

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803923)
Where did you get those $ numbers?

probably out of his ass

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803915)

repost ... bitch. :p

Bearcat 06-07-2010 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803880)
it was decent convo for awhile ... sadly it's dead


*starts flailing his internet cock around wildly*

It's funny, since this has nothing to do with the success of the schools or anything in their control.... I guess Kansas fans can talk championships and Mizzou fans can point and laugh that Kansas is being 'left out', like any of this has to do with the schools themselves and not market potential.

It's like getting a job over an equally qualified candidate because your dad knows the CEO of the company, and then having a pissing match over it with the guy who didn't get the job.

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6803864)
Mods?

Shut up.

Frazod 06-07-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6803910)
Hahahaha, coming from the resident douchebag who's only repertoire is acidic venom as far as posts go. If you go back and read some of the things I said, they actually have something to do with the situation at hand as opposed to endless shit-talking that comes from you. I only start talking about KU's superiority over MU when reeruns like you start talking shit.

Right back at you, you noxious little ****. While you're not quite the knuckle-dragger Buster is, or the complete moron Wickedson is, you are undoubtedly the Queen of the KUnts. I can have civil conversations with most KU fans - I'm real life friends with many of the KU fans that post here. But I wonder - have you EVER been involved in a KU/MU thread that didn't get shitty instantly? If you have, I've never seen it.

I just try to remember that not everybody from Kansas is a nasty trolling piece of shit like you. Sometimes it's really difficult.

Frazod 06-07-2010 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803925)
wickedson has 300 posts how can he "always" anything. :shrug:

besides you aren't exactly known for getting along with KU people. ROFL

I generally get along with you just fine.

Pants 06-07-2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803935)
Right back at you, you noxious little ****. While you're not quite the knuckle-dragger Buster is, or the complete moron Wickedson is, you are undoubtedly the Queen of the KUnts. I can have civil conversations with most KU fans - I'm real life friends with many of the KU fans that post here. But I wonder - have you EVER been involved in a KU/MU thread that didn't get shitty instantly? If you have, I've never seen it.

I just try to remember that not everybody from Kansas is a nasty trolling piece of shit like you. Sometimes it's really difficult.

Sure thing.

kepp 06-07-2010 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6803933)
It's like getting a job over an equally qualified candidate because your dad knows the CEO of the company, and then having a pissing match over it with the guy who didn't get the job.

Yeah, but it's a little easier to win the pissing match from the corner office window.

ArrowheadHawk 06-07-2010 11:08 AM

I wonder what percentage of those 65,000 posts are bad mouthing KU fans. My bet is 35%.

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803935)
Right back at you, you noxious little ****. While you're not quite the knuckle-dragger Buster is, or the complete moron Wickedson is, you are undoubtedly the Queen of the KUnts. I can have civil conversations with most KU fans - I'm real life friends with many of the KU fans that post here. But I wonder - have you EVER been involved in a KU/MU thread that didn't get shitty instantly? If you have, I've never seen it.

I just try to remember that not everybody from Kansas is a nasty trolling piece of shit like you. Sometimes it's really difficult.

jesus chill out dude. You're gonna give yourself a heart attack

Frazod 06-07-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6803941)
I wonder what percentage of those 65,000 posts are bad mouthing KU fans. My bet is 35%.

The scumbags like you? A lot of them, I'm sure.

beer bacon 06-07-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803922)
Yes. He was basically bashing Mizzou acting like Neb was all superior when it came to academics.

Stuff like this is why the Big 12 is in such dire straits. Nobody has respect for anybody else.

luv 06-07-2010 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6803941)
I wonder what percentage of those 65,000 posts are bad mouthing KU fans. My bet is 35%.

I think you should go through all of his posts, read every one of them, keep talley, and report back when you're done. :D

Frazod 06-07-2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803943)
jesus chill out dude. You're gonna give yourself a heart attack

Go **** yourself, clown. Like you or Metrosuck or any other anonymous beaker douche is going to affect anything in my real life.

ArrowheadHawk 06-07-2010 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803944)
The scumbags like you? A lot of them, I'm sure.

Please tell what I have done other than talk trash on MU to be considered a scumbag?

ArrowheadHawk 06-07-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6803946)
I think you should go through all of his posts, read every one of them, keep talley, and report back when you're done. :D

Read every one of Frazod's posts......I think I'd rather die in a fire.

Pants 06-07-2010 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803944)
The scumbags like you? A lot of them, I'm sure.

Fraz considering KU fans scumbags is OK.
KU fans considering MU fans scumbags is not OK.

Makes complete sense in frazod's world.

Bearcat 06-07-2010 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6803939)
Yeah, but it's a little easier to win the pissing match from the corner office window.

:deevee:

SPchief 06-07-2010 11:16 AM

So is Nebraska in the Big 10 yet?

kepp 06-07-2010 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 6803957)
:deevee:

I think you misunderstood. Mizzou will be in the corner office.

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803944)
The scumbags like you? A lot of them, I'm sure.

i thought it was just wickedson and metrolike?

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6803949)
Go **** yourself, clown. Like you or Metrosuck or any other anonymous beaker douche is going to affect anything in my real life.

Well we got Obama into office. I bet that really burns.

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803943)
jesus chill out dude. You're gonna give yourself a heart attack

A bit overwhelming, isn't it?
LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!!!!!!!!

Titty Meat 06-07-2010 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803976)
Well we got Obama into office. I bet that really burns.

Shutup bundle of sticks

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6803939)
Yeah, but it's a little easier to win the pissing match from the corner office window.

oh look ... another MUron to come talk shit and then cry about how mean KU people are


MU SOP

step 1 - talk shit about KU
step 2 - start fight
step 3 - Be arrogant about MU
step 4 - complain about how arrogant KU people always start fights/talk shit
step 5 - rinse,repeat

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6803979)
Shutup bundle of sticks

mods? /reaper16

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803976)
Well we got Obama into office. I bet that really burns.

I give you credit for admitting it. Owning up to your mistakes is the first step to correcting them.

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6803964)
I think you misunderstood. Mizzou will be in the corner office.

Really? That would be a shitty manager

Missouri 101,916 welfare recipients (1.872 per 100 people) 5.4 unemployment rate

Kansas 31,215 welfare recipients (1.424 per 100 people) 4 unemployment rate

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803986)
I give you credit for admitting it. Owning up to your mistakes is the first step to correcting them.

i would still water board him again /Dubya

chiefsnorth 06-07-2010 11:31 AM

This is all laughable. KU will not end up in a major conference because in the brave new NCAA you have to compete in both sports to be in a big conference. This football tradition is one of a bowl appearance about every 10 years in their football history and a losing record all-time in bowls.

As for Missouri, this school has not won a major bowl since the 60s. Winning a crappy new year's eve game means jack. Now hopefully the Big 10 is good for them but it's not like this is a storied program either.

KU fans are just panicing because they likely will be left in the cold with only one sport and no full shares of major markets to offer. So what? If you think you're the Notre Dame of basketball you should make out ok.

But Missouri people shouldnt take this as superiority overall. Missouri is just a more attractive school and state combo all around, mostly by circumstance.
Posted via Mobile Device

Reaper16 06-07-2010 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803876)
he's too stupid to know that a Wandering Jew IS a plant


he was trying to get you into trouble for an anti-Semitic remark


it's a rare quality when someone is too stupid to even be a tattletale correctly LMAO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803878)
Oh, I was hoping it was that.

I'm sorry for offending you dude. A wandering jew is a plant. It's not people.

You guys are the dumb ones. Jesus. Sure, I didn't pepper the dry humor with a tell-tale emoticon but I think I've earned, by Laz anway, the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether I am making a joke or not.

Besides, "Mods?" is a joke that happens with decent regularity around here.

OnTheWarpath15 06-07-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803923)
Where did you get those $ numbers?

They are pretty easy to find if you're willing to look. And others have used the same numbers - mainly because they are in almost every article written about the B10's wooing of ND.

I have a physical therapy appointment in an hour, so unless you're THAT lazy, you'll have to wait until this afternoon.

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6803991)
This is all laughable. KU will not end up in a major conference because in the brave new NCAA you have to compete in both sports to be in a big conference. This football tradition is one of a bowl appearance about every 10 years in their football history and a losing record all-time in bowls.

As for Missouri, this school has not won a major bowl since the 60s. Winning a crappy new year's eve game means jack. Now hopefully the Big 10 is good for them but it's not like this is a storied program either.

KU fans are just panicing because they likely will be left in the cold with only one sport and no full shares of major markets to offer. So what? If you think you're the Notre Dame of basketball you should make out ok.

But Missouri people shouldnt take this as superiority overall. Missouri is just a more attractive school and state combo all around, mostly by circumstance.
Posted via Mobile Device

repost ... but welcome to the party


now, die in a fire :bang:

Brock 06-07-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6803993)
You guys are the dumb ones. Jesus. Sure, I didn't pepper the dry humor with a tell-tale emoticon but I think I've earned, by Laz anway, the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether I am making a joke or not.

ROFL

kepp 06-07-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803980)
oh look ... another MUron to come talk shit and then cry about how mean KU people are

Oh, I understand. The ku people assumed I meant that they were in the corner office looking down at Mizzou. Silly me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803988)
Really? That would be a shitty manager

Missouri 101,916 welfare recipients (1.872 per 100 people) 5.4 unemployment rate

Kansas 31,215 welfare recipients (1.424 per 100 people) 4 unemployment rate

And, WTF?

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6803996)
They are pretty easy to find if you're willing to look. And others have used the same numbers - mainly because they are in almost every article written about the B10's wooing of ND.

I have a physical therapy appointment in an hour, so unless you're THAT lazy, you'll have to wait until this afternoon.

In other words you have no source. Thanks.

kepp 06-07-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6803991)
But Missouri people shouldnt take this as superiority overall. Missouri is just a more attractive school and state combo all around, mostly by circumstance.
Posted via Mobile Device

I know what you mean. I'm the dominant twin, but only because I was born.

OnTheWarpath15 06-07-2010 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6803991)
This is all laughable. KU will not end up in a major conference because in the brave new NCAA you have to compete in both sports to be in a big conference. This football tradition is one of a bowl appearance about every 10 years in their football history and a losing record all-time in bowls.

As for Missouri, this school has not won a major bowl since the 60s. Winning a crappy new year's eve game means jack. Now hopefully the Big 10 is good for them but it's not like this is a storied program either.

KU fans are just panicing because they likely will be left in the cold with only one sport and no full shares of major markets to offer. So what? If you think you're the Notre Dame of basketball you should make out ok.

But Missouri people shouldnt take this as superiority overall. Missouri is just a more attractive school and state combo all around, mostly by circumstance.
Posted via Mobile Device


Pretty decent post, n00b.

Pants 06-07-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6804002)
I know what you mean. I'm the dominant twin, but only because I was born.

No, that's not what he means, at all. Your only dominance is the number of people living in the state. You can look at the all time KU vs MU football and basketball records to see what actual athletic dominance looks like. :)

OnTheWarpath15 06-07-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6804000)
In other words you have no source. Thanks.

No, in other words, I have a life, so you can either look them up yourself, or you can wait.

I'm not sure why the attack on the numbers, they've been used repeatedly by others as well.

You act as if they are made up.

Mr. Laz 06-07-2010 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6803993)
You guys are the dumb ones. Jesus. Sure, I didn't pepper the dry humor with a tell-tale emoticon but I think I've earned, by Laz anway, the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether I am making a joke or not.

reaper is full spin and backpedal mode




this is not a thread where you get the benefit of the doubt about anything
:)

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8003/arnoldt.jpg

Reaper16 06-07-2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6804010)
reaper is full spin and backpedal mode

Is this shit the byproduct of a University of Kansas education? I had more respect for that institution until this display.

vailpass 06-07-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6804009)
No, in other words, I have a life, so you can either look them up yourself, or you can wait.

I'm not sure why the attack on the numbers, they've been used repeatedly by others as well.

You act as if they are made up.

Not attacking, asking you to verify the numbers you quote so I can determine whether they are valid and know whether to use them in future conversations or assessments. And yes, data without a source is considered made up.

Does asking you for a source on financial data that you cite really strike you as unreasonable?

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsnorth (Post 6803991)
This is all laughable. KU will not end up in a major conference because in the brave new NCAA you have to compete in both sports to be in a big conference. This football tradition is one of a bowl appearance about every 10 years in their football history and a losing record all-time in bowls.

As for Missouri, this school has not won a major bowl since the 60s. Winning a crappy new year's eve game means jack. Now hopefully the Big 10 is good for them but it's not like this is a storied program either.

KU fans are just panicing because they likely will be left in the cold with only one sport and no full shares of major markets to offer. So what? If you think you're the Notre Dame of basketball you should make out ok.

But Missouri people shouldnt take this as superiority overall. Missouri is just a more attractive school and state combo all around, mostly by circumstance.
Posted via Mobile Device


good post

Bambi 06-07-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6803993)
You guys are the dumb ones. Jesus. Sure, I didn't pepper the dry humor with a tell-tale emoticon but I think I've earned, by Laz anway, the benefit of the doubt when it comes to whether I am making a joke or not.

Besides, "Mods?" is a joke that happens with decent regularity around here.

Why are you attacking me? I apologized for offending you.

Reaper16 06-07-2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6804024)
Why are you attacking me? I apologized for offending you.

I wasn't offended by the "wandering jew" line because it was obvious you were referencing the plant. The joke, which itself should have been pretty easy to figure out, was that I was pretending to not understand your meaning. This isn't exactly KU Med-level curriculum here.

luv 06-07-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803988)
Really? That would be a shitty manager

Missouri 101,916 welfare recipients (1.872 per 100 people) 5.4 unemployment rate

Kansas 31,215 welfare recipients (1.424 per 100 people) 4 unemployment rate

Is this another Kansas is better than Missouri post, are you just trying to say that the likelihood of someone having a corner office is higher in Kansas, or what? Yes, I'm a ditz sometimes, so I need to clarification on this.

Pants 06-07-2010 11:54 AM

Pretty sure Reaper was kidding. Who cares anyway? I didn't know Wandering Jew was a plant. Why the **** would I know that? The only plant I've ever kept around my house has been dieffenbachia.

Brock 06-07-2010 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6804049)
Is this another Kansas is better than Missouri post, are you just trying to say that the likelihood of someone having a corner office is higher in Kansas, or what? Yes, I'm a ditz sometimes, so I need to clarification on this.

:facepalm:

luv 06-07-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6804072)
:facepalm:

Thank you so much. That was so informative.

Reading back over it, I believe I get it. I apologize for the two seconds of your life it took you to read my post and reply.

Brock 06-07-2010 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luv (Post 6804080)
Thank you so much. That was so informative.

Reading back over it, I believe I get it. I apologize for the two seconds of your life it took you to read my post and reply.

Are you being sarcastic? I'm not really sure but I think you're being sarcastic. Can you give me some clarification on this?

luv 06-07-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6804082)
Are you being sarcastic? I'm not really sure but I think you're being sarcastic. Can you give me some clarification on this?

LMAO

I'm not always as dumb as I appear. I've just stopped correcting people when they take me literally all the time.

luv 06-07-2010 12:07 PM

Listening to 810 still.

NU and MU will try to firm up talks with Big 10 before deciding whether to confirm with Big 12. That's newsworthy? I kinda thought that would be common sense.

OnTheWarpath15 06-07-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803923)
Where did you get those $ numbers?

$28M:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...his.html?cat=4

Quote:

Notre Dame's football team bring in over $28 million just by themselves
$1.3M and $4.5M from BCS:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/go...tml?page=3&c=y

Quote:

Notre Dame, which has an endowment of more than $5 billion, also receives $1.3 million a year if it doesn't qualify for a Bowl Championship Series berth and $4.5 million if it does. It doesn't have to share that money with anyone.
Same article where the professor of finance says that ND is getting much more from NBC than has been reported, which I mentioned earlier as well.

Quote:

The Big Ten reportedly handed out $22 million per member last year. Media reports have said Notre Dame receives $15 million annually from NBC to broadcast its home games each year. Richard Sheehan, a Notre Dame finance professor who has been involved in past negotiations with NBC, believes that figure is low.

"The NBC contract is more lucrative than pretty much anyone knows," he said.

There you go, and Laz, go **** yourself. I'm the last ****ing person on this board that should be accused of making shit up. I've always brought facts and stats to my arguments to back them up. Always.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6803923)
Where did you get those $ numbers?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6803928)
probably out of his ass


Crush 06-07-2010 12:16 PM

Big 12 blew it by eschewing playoff
 
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...xpansion060610

Big 12 blew it by eschewing playoff

Quote:

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008.

That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened.

Even that modest playoff would have meant hundreds of millions of additional revenue for college athletics. It would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason. That would have solved all the monetary concerns that have left the Big 12 on the verge of collapse at the hands of its one-time allies, the Big Ten and Pac-10.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany admitted to Congress a 16-team playoff could gross four times what the current Bowl Championship Series does – in other words about $900 million annually.

He opposed it anyway. Beebe and the others never seemed to ask why. They’re finding out now.

Conference expansion is about to forever alter college athletics: destroying traditions, hammering taxpayers and increasing competition. It will leave once-major programs out of the loop, consolidate power and extend the gap between haves and have nots – even within leagues such as the Big Ten.

No one is in a more desperate spot than the Big 12, which this week could see as many as eight league members receive invites to leave.

It’s all because of money. And when it comes to money in college athletics it all comes back to one thing – the leaking oil disaster that is the BCS.

There are two major revenue streams left in college sports – football television contracts and a football postseason. (The men’s basketball tournament is essentially maxed out.)

It’s clear now that Delany used opposition to a football playoff not to preserve some bit of “tradition.” His expansion plans clearly indicate he cares nothing about that. It certainly wasn’t done for the sake of aiding Big Ten football, since a playoff with on-campus home games likely would’ve helped his teams.

The goal was to starve out the Big 12, Big East and even the ACC of the hundreds of millions a playoff would’ve given them and thus turn the future of college sports into a battle of television sets.

Delany couldn’t assure that the Big Ten would’ve done well in a football playoff. Maybe the league would’ve succeeded, maybe not. With 26 percent of the nation’s population, tradition rich clubs and its own cable network though, the Big Ten will always dominate if everything boils down to TV revenue.

It was a genius, cutthroat throat play. He set the terms of the game so he’d win. The Pac-10, led by aggressive new commissioner Larry Scott, is taking advantage also. I’m not blaming Delany here. I may not believe a 16-team Big Ten (or Pac-10) is in the best interest of the league’s current members (or the NCAA as a whole), but it’s not that big of a deal to me. Whatever happens, happens. Besides, it’s not Delany’s fault he’s smarter than the other guys.

Am I being too hard on Beebe? Not even close. He’s been played like a fiddle. In April, while Delany was assuring the other commissioners his league wouldn’t contact schools about expansion without informing them first, Beebe offered this bit of naïvete.

“I expect that Jim, who I have known for many, many years and trust implicitly, [will] do what he said he’s going to do,” Beebe said. “If and when the time comes that they’re going to do anything – and if that includes any of the institutions in the Big 12 – he’ll let me know first.”

This week the Columbus Dispatch printed emails between Delany and Ohio State president Gordon Gee that detailed Gee reaching out to the University of Texas to broach interest about the Big Ten.

So much for Mr. “Trust Implicitly.”

Why Beebe and Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese ever felt safe with Delany is a mystery. The guy is an assassin. He’s always been public about his desire to do whatever he feels is best for the Big Ten (or at least his “legacy”).

Rather than helping him block the Plus One, they should’ve been explaining to their presidents that a full playoff was imperative to survival.

And let’s forget the ridiculous notion that the presidents are vehemently opposed to a playoff. The presidents will do whatever their commissioner says. It’s always been that case and the expansion chaos proves it. Ohio State’s Gee has been an anti-playoff guy in part because of “missed class time,” even if none would be missed under a playoff that takes place during semester break.

Yet now he’s in favor of adding Texas to the Big Ten, meaning he’ll ship all of his athletes all the way to Austin which would cause … missed class time for hundreds of students.

It’s all a pile of garbage. Here’s guessing the schools that could be left behind – which could include Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, Colorado, Louisville, West Virginia, South Florida and so on – will soon be furious they weren’t told the truth about what they were really opposing. The Plus One wasn’t a postseason plan, it was a lifeline.

Those presidents deserve their own blame, of course. They should’ve learned the truth about the BCS and recognized the need to find revenue outside of just television deals. They should’ve been building their own alliance for a richer and more equitable postseason.

In 2008, the smaller leagues and Notre Dame would’ve almost assuredly gone along. The ACC and SEC were clearly open to discussion. If a 16-team playoff wasn’t possible, at the very least the Plus One was. It’d be a different ballgame right now if just that was in place.

Instead the leagues blindly followed along with a revenue model that has left them susceptible to destruction.

This isn’t the time to deal with all the issues surrounding the BCS or explain how a 16-team playoff works (on the field or in the checkbook). I’ve covered it extensively in the past and helped write a book on the subject – “Death to the BCS,” due out in October. Sorry for the shameless plug, but when I say it takes an entire book to show all the scams and lies that really power the system, I mean it.

Just know this, the BCS offers not a single, real world, tangible benefit to college athletics. Its only defense is that it’s better than the old system, which isn’t saying much.

Financially is where it performs most poorly. The current bowl system/BCS generated $220 million in gross revenue in 2008-09 and just $140 million in profit due to the high cost of keeping most bowl games afloat. If this sounds good, it isn’t.

Delany estimates a playoff could gross $880 million. The more conservative, yet exhaustively researched estimate we used in the book comes in at around $780 million. In each case profits would exceed $700 million, meaning the BCS is costing college athletics over half a billion in annual profit.

Delany was one of the people instrumental in hiring public relations flaks Ari Fleischer and Bill Hancock to spread factually bankrupt propaganda about the system in an effort to create the illusion of a debate – hey, maybe the BCS works! Please. It doesn’t. The current chaos is just the latest proof. The real purpose of the PR campaign was merely to buy time for the Big Ten Network to get fully operational.

The BCS has killed everyone financially. It’s killed them to the point only a dozen or so schools break even each year on athletics. Most athletic departments need student fees or taxpayer funded general university budgets to cover expenses (nearly $900 million combined in 2008-09 according to USA Today).

That includes even Big Ten schools such as Illinois ($4.5 million), Wisconsin ($3.4 million) and Minnesota ($3.4 million). Even a powerhouse such as Ohio State needed to raise ticket prices this year to balance future books.

All while that pile of playoff money sat there, untapped.

Protecting the BCS wasn’t about greed. It wasn’t about determining a real champion. It was about power. Now the Pac-10 and Big Ten have it.

The 16-team playoff was the only route to save the Big 12, Big East and likely the ACC as it now is constructed. Under our detailed plan (essentially the NCAA’s model for lower divisions), every time a team plays a game it would receive a share of revenue, in this case $25 million.

Consider the 2008-09 season where Big 12 members Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech all would’ve been selected. If the seeds held, those clubs would’ve combined to play nine playoff games meaning the league would’ve walked with $225 million in revenue. The conference then could’ve written each league school an $18.75 million check just from the playoff. That year the Big Ten would’ve earned just three shares for $75 million, a per team share of $6.8 million.

If that’s happening, do you think Missouri and Nebraska still want out? You think the Big Ten’s TV revenue advantage still matters?

This all goes back to the cost of inaction, the penalty for not dealing with the sport’s most pressing problem.

There should be no reason for these leagues to expand (other than the Big Ten adding one team).

Sixteen-team leagues won’t make life better for anyone. They’ll likely prove to be logistical and philosophical wars. The commissioners have sold the public on the idea that more money is always a good thing – using the fail-proof, if unproven, “it’s good for recruiting” line. Here’s the thing, if all your rivals build a new weight room, then recruits aren’t impressed with a new weight room.

It won’t be better for fans or players or even, in many regards, coaches, who will face greater demands for success. More money only means something to the small group of people (athletic directors, commissioners, coaches) who will see their already huge salaries grow, will be able to charter more private planes and will continue to justify remodeling their already opulent “facilities.”

If you’re a powerhouse in your league, why would you want to change anything? It isn’t getting better for Texas and Oklahoma than the current Big 12, where the two programs have reached five of the last seven BCS title games.

If you’re in the middle of the pack, why would you add more competition in recruiting and a watered-down schedule? If you’re Minnesota or Northwestern and trying to sell tickets, do you want more Rutgers home games and less Ohio State? Or to deal with Nebraska recruiting the Twin Cities or Chicagoland?

It’s almost assuredly too late for the Big 12 and the Big East to make the bold moves that could save them.

They could try though. If Beebe and current Big East commissioner John Marinatto want to display real leadership, they can tell their current members to sit tight and allow them to build a consensus for a real football postseason that will solve all their revenue problems. They need to stand up and declare Armageddon is here and it’s time to get serious. The other leagues and Notre Dame would be all for it. The SEC and ACC would be smart to approve simply as a defense against Big Ten and Pac-10 aggression. Or in the ACC’s case, the inevitable SEC pillaging of its teams.

Go ahead and dare the Big Ten and Pac-10 to not come along. See how long Gordon Gee lasts as Ohio State president when he tells Buckeye fans they will no longer be competing for the national title. In the meantime, send your recruiters to Cleveland and Detroit.

A 16-team playoff could be up and running by 2014 – which would immediately change all the revenue models.

Then Beebe could show that teams such as Nebraska and Texas could make more money while enjoying a clearer road to that thrilling postseason by staying home. He would be able to offer a future that’s brighter than the one offered by the Big Ten or Pac-10.

At the end of the day this has always been about the BCS and billions in revenue it has cost cash-starved college athletics.

Jim Delany just didn’t tell his peers. And they weren’t smart enough to figure it out themselves.

Saulbadguy 06-07-2010 12:20 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ace-in-college

Frazod 06-07-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6803976)
Well we got Obama into office. I bet that really burns.

A. This is perhaps the dumbest smack I've ever seen.

B. I'm in Chicago, idiot. I don't care much for him, but if you're looking for klan boys to mock, look elsewhere. Actually, try vailpass. He's your huckleberry.

vailpass 06-07-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6804109)
$28M:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...his.html?cat=4



$1.3M and $4.5M from BCS:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/go...tml?page=3&c=y



Same article where the professor of finance says that ND is getting much more from NBC than has been reported, which I mentioned earlier as well.




There you go, and Laz, go **** yourself. I'm the last ****ing person on this board that should be accused of making shit up. I've always brought facts and stats to my arguments to back them up. Always.

I see a quote form source that appears to be a personal blog that says ND is paid $9 million/year by NBC. Where does the rest of the $28 million come from?

Speculation on the part of a professor does not equal a credible source.

vailpass 06-07-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6804130)
A. This is perhaps the dumbest smack I've ever seen.

B. I'm in Chicago, idiot. I don't care much for him, but if you're looking for klan boys to mock, look elsewhere. Actually, try vailpass. He's your huckleberry.

Fat, bitter and nasty still huh frazzy? Maybe you could try ****ing a jelly donut when you get home tonight, see if that improves your love life and makes you a little more cheery.

Frazod 06-07-2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vailpass (Post 6804154)
Fat, bitter and nasty still huh frazzy? Maybe you could try ****ing a jelly donut when you get home tonight, see if that improves your love life and makes you a little more cheery.

Wow, the kings of the cyberpussies seems testy today. Did you drop your phone in the toilet again and can't afford a new one?

And I thought you were proud of your Klan boy rep. Or is that only in DC?

siberian khatru 06-07-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6804174)
Wow, the kings of the cyberpussies seems testy today. Did you drop your phone in the toilet again and can't afford a new one?

Hey, now, that was I who dropped his phone in the toilet! :harumph:

vailpass 06-07-2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6804174)
Wow, the kings of the cyberpussies seems testy today. Did you drop your phone in the toilet again and can't afford a new one?

And I thought you were proud of your Klan boy rep. Or is that only in DC?

I didn't lose my phone in the toilet I lost it in the bottomless black hole that is your...
ah never mind, no need to make fat boy cry and try to issue me infraction notices.
Tell me, do you place pork rinds around your stub as a means of foreplay?

Pablo 06-07-2010 12:41 PM

FCUK ALL U PUSSIEZ IN THIS THREAD.

LETZ ALL MEAT AT SIZZLER PARKING LOT AND ILL SPLIT U FROM YOUR SHIT-TALKER TO UR ASSHOLE.

DeezNutz 06-07-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 6804217)
FCUK ALL U PUSSIEZ IN THIS THREAD.

LETZ ALL MEAT AT SIZZLER PARKING LOT AND ILL SPLIT U FROM YOUR SHIT-TALKER TO UR ASSHOLE.

Mods?

Pablo 06-07-2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6804230)
Mods?

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DeezNutz 06-07-2010 12:47 PM

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