Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17503210)

A year 1 hit of $5-6 million would be super easy on a 5 year deal. You'd have to guarantee some salary in years 2 and 3 to lower the signing bonus a bit and still goose the guarantees, but it wouldn't be hard.

And since Smith missed some games last year, every game played incentive past 12 games would be NLTBE (not to mention a snap share percentage; probably anything about 70%) and would not go onto this year's cap. You can keep that number off the books until next season as well unless Smith's looking for something nearer $8-10 million in guarantees. Even that could be done with a fake 2 year deal where you cut him in the offseason.

The cap shouldn't get in the way of any of this. Wonder if they've just been prioritizing draft prep and FA then they'll circle back after some of that stuff gets wrapped up.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17503189)

It's not quite "Skyy Moore is a great run blocker" or "Frank Clark sets the edge" but it's close. It's probably pretty similar to "Marcus Peters is awful in run support" - I don't like it, but if he does the thing I really care about well, I'll overlook it.

I want my LT credible enough as a run blocker that he doesn't blow up runs between the tackles (and often ours have; Smith lets guys get across his face on interior runs - it's ugly).

It's less about being a guy who blows a hole open off-tackle left and more about being a guy who seals off the backside and gives an interior trap or something time to develop on a short yardage play.

That's my bar. It ain't real high.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17503275)

When is the last time this team got somebody extended early? Feels like we're definitely due with Creed.

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 17503282)

2025 Butker, Creed, Smith, Reid, Bolton, M. Brown (no way)
2026 McDuffie, Karlaftis, Watson (cb), Cook, Pacheco, Joshua Williams, Chenal (Kelce and Thuney)

Gonna be an interesting couple years.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17503192)

I'm honestly a little surprised the Creed extension hasn't been signed yet. The market at C is set, he's gonna be at the top of it, there's no question of who he is as a player and honestly if you have to move him to G, friggen Gs are more expensive than Cs now anyway.

So why haven't we gotten a Creed deal done? We have the cap space for it - just seems like the natural thing to have knocked out once Sneed was traded.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17503281)

I was coming to type that....doesn't seem to happen much around the league anymore.

Guys wanna get to FA. I'd guess our guys do as well.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17503288)

Feels like it happens with other teams more than us though. Look at DeVonta Smith, Amon-Ra St. Brown, and Penei Sewell all signing extensions early recently.

Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 17503282)

2025 Butker, Creed, Smith, Reid, Bolton, M. Brown (no way)
2026 McDuffie, Karlaftis, Watson (cb), Cook, Pacheco, Joshua Williams, Chenal (Kelce and Thuney)

Gonna be an interesting couple years.

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17503283)

Bolded are the ones I'd bring back. Obviously that depends on the deal.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17503305)

Smith will price out, IMO.

Pacheco has those Lindsay Lohan miles on him.

Cook just hasn't shown me much. Not enough to say yes or no, really.

Butker, Creed, McDuffie and Karlaftis are my priority guys. The rest are fringier players, players at positions of nominal importance or players where we've shown real strength at drafting replacements for them.

Then again, I never thought we'd bring back Danna and we did. So we do seem to be a little more interested in giving 2nd deals to middle class players than I would've been. I could see a couple of the other guys being retained as well.