Didn't say that..but you're basically making my argument for me..yes he's great and all, but what has his team done with him behind center? Not a whole lot considering his defense has been horrible over the years. Plus, I've seen you discuss how big 12 QB's are horrible as a whole, so take a step back..

None of these guys are remotely that kind of prospect....do you realize how good the top of that Derrick Thomas draft was?

If you don't like QB's you better start listing off who you like better, and if you list off some guy who's likely not a top 10 pick I will laugh at you...

I'd love to see someone try to argue for Orakpo talk about a school I wouldn't draft a player from that's one of them.

All the Big 12 QB's are in the spread...I wouldn't draft a spread QB...

I don't see why that is a big deal, guys coming from a pro style offense are much more likely to succeed.

I like trading down is what I prefer, to get more picks..which I'm pretty sure Pioli will do. He does find pretty damn good prospects in the lower end of the draft. Especially at QB. The not so obvious choices. There were only 3 guys ahead of Thomas, so that's not arguing much. Aikman and Sanders were good, but Mandarich?

The odds of trading out of a top 5 pick is slim and none not to mention when the Pats built their team they didn't trade out...they stayed put and took Seymour and moved up for Warren who are 2 of the higher drafted players on their roster.

And yes Mandarich was the 1 bum but the other top 5 picks where...Aikman, Barry Sanders. DT, and Deion..

There's nothing like that this year.

Unless I missed something, Beli-balls didn't come to Arrowhead with Pioli. This is PIOLI'S show now, and he may choose to do things a bit differently than he did with his old mentor in New England.

I think it's really funny and weird to see some people acting like because of Tom Brady he won't draft a QB high...

I'm pretty sure Tom Brady has made him value the QB position as much as anyone in the league and don't think a guy as smart as Scott Pioli doesn't realize what a luck of the draw getting him in the 6th round was.

Cassell hide a nice season but the difference in Brady and Cassell was 5 games and playoffs and no playoffs.

Jets, Vikings, Niners all should have reason to move up to our spot..

.....the Jets and Vikings would have to trade 2 1st round picks plus alot more...they're way to far down you also don't drop from 3 to 20, that's just not smart. But frankly those teams would have to give up to much to move that far.

Don't expect a trade down, teams in the top 5 don't trade down even when they want to.

The most absurd aspect of that take, is that you have to assume a hypothetical that just doesn't exist!

Even if he was still with NE that scenario doesn't exist, and is not going to repeat itself!
This years draft is not last years draft, or the draft(s) before THAT! :doh!:
This also happens to be a different team with different needs! Oi!

There's a very simple three-part formula to this process, and you follow it.
Under special circumstances you wheel and deal if necessary, but the basic formula is sound.

And you forgot that Cassel had only started 15 games compared to Brady's, what, 110 games?

The point is why would anyone think a guy coming from a team that has always had a upper tier QB just all of the sudden not value the position?

I'm sorry the guy is way to smart to just think he can pull another HOFer out of the 6th round.

And knowing that from the get-go, as it relates to his college "starts" what do you think NE was looking at when they signed him?

Could it be.......Mechanics? Technique? Form?

Boo-ya! You just made a better case for Mark Sanchez in one post than I have in 20.

So why did they wait until the 7th round to take him? Because he wasn't the obvious choice. Nobody else saw the talent except those attached to the Pats organization. But anyways, I'll go ahead and take Pete Carroll's word for it over yours..compare the guy to Leinart and Palmer. Palmer had a good start but has since fallen off and Leinart hasn't done jack since he's been in the NFL.

But it doesn't matter, I don't claim to be an expert or anything, I won't be back until the draft in April..GO CHIEFS!