If you package 63 & 66, you can probably get as high as CLE pick at 36 or LV at 37....according to the Draft Value Calculator. Would not be opposed to that at all.

Yeah, I'm not locked in an a guy. There's a number of options there and perhaps we just make a small trade up to the one that falls the furthest. I wouldn't be pissy with that. We have legal and injury issues with our best WR and the year after we have almost no one under contract at HB or WR.

We added a mid round pick yesterday which was a gift. Hopefully over the next two days we can add 2 or 3 guys that can contribute big plays to this offense like we did in 22 for the defense. We need it.

Bring be Norman-Lott

Well moving Taylor down to RG would fix all that stupid off sides, going to wide or narrow crap!

I'd have less justification of being a pissy little schoolgirl about all this, that's for sure.

Then I suppose the true 'trade' would be who we could get with 63 and 66 vs Simmons (Because Burden is who I'd have taken at 31).

And if it turns out that we'd be looking at a board with, say, Williams and Ersery at the top of it...well, I wouldn't have much grounds for complaint at that point. Giving up Williams would be worth the 'trade-off' to get the upside of Simmons over Ersery.

Ultimately the 2nd round is always a bit of a shitshow. There's just no way to really predict what may happen at the moment.

DL, WR, RB

Don't think that will be far enough and while I was pounding the table hard for Burden last night, I would not make that move. They need to keep the picks that they've got.

I wouldn't put it past them.

Lack of high end IOL in the draft. Chiefs probably don't want to spend what he costs.

If you can trade him for a top 50 pick, it means they probably use a top 100 pick on a guy like Milnum and call it a day. Makes a ton of sense honestly.

Either a quality DL. If the 2nd round DT's and DE's are gone, then go for BPA at RB, WR or TE though I think we can wait until the early 3rd on those offensive guys. I wasn't on the Burden train for R1 but if someone like that falls to mid 2nd round, hell ya, trade up.

Isn't that partly a coaching preference though?

It's the way they want them to play. I'm no Lombardi but they knew how he played and preferred to play when they signed him. We knew how Brown played and tried to square peg a round hole. We seem to do that a lot.

I was hoping that was the round 1 strategy but we just didn't get lucky with how the pass rushers fell. Somehow the board always falls right for the Eagles and never for us.

We have the best short yardage back in football.

We have a guy who has some speed and is a good all around back who will be fighting for his first contract.

Then we have a high upside guy for peanuts.

Then we have a up and coming FB who can fill in.

We absolutely do not need running back, at all, until next year when we let Pacheco walk.

Always did.

But it feels like the only realistic landing spot was Seattle. And honestly, that was born out by them using a mid-1st on Gray Zabel.

They OBVIOUSLY wanted a guard.

But that move didn't happen. Which to me says that the Chiefs aren't willing to do it. Because if the Seahawks could've gotten Trey Smith - a known commodity and very good player who fits their specific offense better than he fits ours -- for a 2nd round pick and kept their 1st rounder to target someone like Golden or Campbell...sure seems like they'd have done it, no?

Yeah, costs them cap, but they don't have a ton of guys to be spending that on. And it simultaneously raises their floor (with Smith over Zabel) and likely their ceiling by allowing them to target a different spot.

If we were willing to deal Smith for a 2nd, I think it would've happened last night before Seattle made that move for Zabel.

Did you not watch last year? We absolutely need explosion at RB. Do we have chain movers? Yes. Do we have a back that defenses worry about? No. An explosive back in this offense would do wonders.

No to Josh Farmer, DT from FSU?

Maybe. maybe not. I run mocks every morning, on all of the sites, and he's nearly always there at the end of the second.

Why not Will Johnson? As long as we are shopping for scratch-n-dents...

Veach specifically mentioned OL, DL, corner and receiver as positions that they always want to atttack.

Will they attack those 3 and wait for a RB in rd 4?

Also I’m hammering the trade up talk. I think it’s guaranteed we are moving up from 63 today

Boundary corner is still a need.


Yeah, I know we have Watson and Fulton but that still isn't Sneed.



Plus we draft this position as well as any team in the NFL.

Here are the guys that NFL.com says are the 28th through 36th "top remaining".

Kevin Winston Jr.
Penn State · S · Junior

Azareye'h Thomas
Florida State · CB · Junior

Miles Frazier
LSU · IOL · Senior

Tate Ratledge
Georgia · IOL · Senior

Xavier Watts
Notre Dame · S · Senior

Jordan Burch
Oregon · Edge · Senior

Tre Harris
Mississippi · WR · Senior

Alfred Collins
Texas · DT · Senior

Dylan Sampson
Tennessee · RB · Junior

If these guys constitute our main talent pool, I'm really happy with a lot of them. I'd lean toward Alfred Collins based on need, but I'd also be really happy with Sampson or Watts or ... well, pretty much any of them. This is a great pool based on our needs.

We need to exit this draft with legit prospects at WR, DT, DE, and HB. We either lack bodies at the position or just don't have guys under contract there next year. HB and DT are all older players or haven't shown much.

Jayden Higgins

DT, DE, LB, Corner, safety, RB, WR, TE- we could go in a lot of directions today.

Defensive line is probably our biggest need so I hope they address that with at least one pick today. Outside of that, we have plenty of options.

That sure would be nice. As it sits Farmer may be my biggest reach in CP mock history if he falls as far as some think.

But damn it all if I don’t see a possible stud every time I’ve watched him play.

We need to find the first Skyy Moore.

My preference:

Move up to 50-55 to get Henderson. He’s a game breaker that’s elite at pass pro and is a weapon as a receiver that’s still developing those abilities. Use the pick we got for athuney to move up.

At 66, take Darius Alexander from Toledo. The only reason a guy like him is available in this range is his age. Totally ok if we move up 5 spots to get him. If he gets selected elsewhere, take Farmer and don’t look back.

At 95, I am banging the table for Xavier Restrepo or an edge that falls.

I’m a huge fan of Restrepo and think he would be a perfect fit in the short and long term in this offense. If he goes before anticipated, an edge or a corner will be there at plus value.

Lots of guys I’d be thrilled with today…

Amos
Donovan
Burden
Will Johnson
Mike green
JT
Porter (would be great here)
Noel
Farmer
Burch
Sanders
Judkins
Kaleb
Swinson
Royals
Strong
Skattebo
Burke

I did and RB was NOT a concern last year. That has the best we have been on short yardage for YEARS. It was a godsend. One of the reasons we were 15-1. Our RB room was absolutely fantastic. Kareem Hunt solved our short yardage woes and helped us a ton in the red zone. Solved our issues overnight.

Now this year with a healthy Pacheco and then you have a change of pace in Mitchell. We are all set.

I think I see him over there on the bench.

Henderson is (likely) going much earlier than that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of the top 5 picks tonight.

Probably.

But there's a chance that he's a specifically elite talent for US.

Other teams may be looking for someone on the second day more capable of handling 300+ touches. Or who play more physically.

And a lot of teams already have a back. Or aren't a back away from taking the next step.

So there are maybe 4-5 teams he'd need to 'sneak' by? And if there is just a guy or two they like more, maybe that's possible?

I'll just say that it's a possibility because he's not a conventional 'workhorse' back.

Unlikely. Not impossible.

When?


I don't see it in Round 2.

I saw a report that EB absolutely loves Henderson and he jsut makes way too much sense in Ben Johnson's offense.

I think he'll be a Bear barring somebody trading in front of them.

Now Quinshon Judkins? I think he might actually fall to us.

I want to use the extra 5th we got from Philly on Jarquez Hunter, the RB from Auburn.

I’m game. Let’s do it!

Which teams does Henderson need to sneak by? CHI, DEN… who else?

If the Chiefs come away with both Henderson and Burden today…

Pittsburgh, Dallas.....Some other asshole team that already has 50 RBs.....

The Vikings and Packers kinda worry me as well. Good weapons in the passing game to spread the field, veteran backs with physicality that can carry some load.

No other obvious pressing needs.

Similar situations to ours.

Yeah, and others have been rumored on him as well.

Think Chiefs would have to target #38 with the Pats to guarantee they get him if they really want him. He's likely gone shortly after that (assuming he makes it to there)

What would that cost to move up from 63? I know they have an extra 4th from next year from the Bears, but that's not gonna be enough to make THAT kind of jump.

A 2nd and a 4th next year?

Would that get it done to get from 63 to 38??

I actually prefer Judkins over Henderson. But either of them would have me ecstatic.

And if I’m in fairy tale land then add Burden to the list.

He’ll be gone before we pick. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Vikings dont have a seond rounder. Their next pick is 97.

Pray Simmons is healthy and ready to roll. Find a way to get Henderson in the second. This draft could turn into an all timer!

Doesn't seem like our type at WR.

Oh I don't think you can state with any degree of certainty that he'll even make it past Cleveland. You can't 'guaranty' much of anything with Henderson.

He's so explosive that there could well be some team that has him 1 on their board right now.

63 and 66 should get you up into the high 30s, low 40s. If he's there at 40, I do think the Chiefs can get him without dipping into next year's pool. I think they could do it AND get a 6th back in the exchange to fill the last gap in their draft and end up with a pick in every round and some solid flexibility through day 3.

But it's a bit of a crap shoot.

I do think it's kinda funny the disconnect here.

Myself (and I suspect Crow and KC) are probably putting little to no weight into this season when it comes to an eventual 'grade' of the Simmons pick.

I honestly couldn't give a shit less if he's 'healthy and ready to roll' this year. That's not my concern now and never has been.

It's both gravy AND not the steak I'm looking for.

I really don't know what any of that means -- I just think it's interesting. I didn't figure anyone would be fired up about this pick because of his ability to contribute immediately. Or irritable if he can't.

I hope he falls- I’d love to game him on this team. I think he could be a James Cook type back

Ya'll gonna be eating some serious crow when he is a pro bowler in year 2 and all-pro by year 3. Sit back and enjoy the ride!

Oh, he's an X?...

yeah, unfortunately... he gone.

Crossing from the draft area

Amos
Porter
Lennard
Umanmielen
Alexander
Norman-Lott
Judkins
Henderson

Henderson and Amos will likely be gone.

Porter, Judkins, Umanmielen should be around and this would about the right range they should go. Feels like a Umanmielen kind of selection in the 2nd.

Bears are going to take Treavon Henderson if he's there as Ben Johnson is building a Detroit clone. I just hope Chiefs can get what they need on the D line. I'd love a CB, and I feel we need a talented explosive RB, but not convinced we will take one.

I actually feel pretty good about CB right now. HB, WR, and DT need some names added to the list though.

Tuten I’m banging the table for 3rd round. But second round I just want burden and if that means trading two thirds so be it. He’s Jamar Chase I’m telling you. Their measurable, toughness, cockiness, he’s a clone.

If we don't take a HB I'd love Skattebo with a late 3rd. I think a 1b HB in the late 3rd is decent value. If we can take a home run hitter before then I'm good with that as well...

With all the names being tossed around this forum you would think somebody's coming away happy tonight.

At this point all I want to hear is that whomever we draft has two health patellas.

Man, nobody would give me wood that could realistically fall to us like Judkins.

That would be such a fun pick.

Good all around back. So many RB's we can afford to wait till the 3rd I think for someone.

I'm on board.

There's a significant drop off after the Ohio St. RBs IMO, but I'm good with waiting a little bit longer.

I doubt he will last to the Chiefs pick

The Eagles and Steelers seem to have talent rated 10 slots higher or more fall to them every year.

Just one more time, like McDuffie, I'd like to see that happen with us.

Somebody has to fall.

If not him, Tre Harris, Elijah Arroyo, Jalen Royals, etc.

Just get at least one offensive playmaker today and another tomorrow.

I'd throw a pass rushing DT/DE in there as well. Home run hitter on offense or pass rusher. Any of those I'm good.

Yea DL goes without saying. I wouldn't be surprised if they double dipped.

I think we move up for a Defensive Tackle.

It's a good time. Lot of quality left.

Joshua Farmer lesss goooo

Trade up for Mike Green or Darius Alexander to improve the DL.

I knew Judkins would not fall to the Chiefs

Lots of guys left

A long way from it.

BOOM

Got lucky.
I thought maybe Royals with 2nd third, o well.

Dang. I got 2.