Originally Posted by KC Hawks (Post 18042155)

Just not a fan of taking someone in the first round who won't help us next year.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042193)

Mahomes seems to be VERY happy with the pick. Hope they didn't whistle past the graveyard just to appease him on this.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18042024)

You guys please just give it a chance and trust these guys.

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 18042206)

Mahomes was happy with CEH. Just saying.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15 (Post 18042169)

Reminder from kccrow:



Let's talk about the data set I shared in March regarding Patellar injuries in the NFL, since not many care to read. It's here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...rmance%20level
31/56 (55%) players returned to the NFL from a patellar injury (RTP).
Of those, 13/50 (26%) returned to play as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Games).
Only 8/50 (16%) returned to start as many games post-injury as they had pre-injury (RTP Starts).
The 6 (11%) in the remainder, despite returning to the NFL, never saw another snap.
Of the 50 that saw snaps, only 12 (24%) returned to prior PFF level of performance at any point (RTP Performance)
Among those 12, 7 (14%) returned to prior performance after 1 year and 5 (10%) after 2 years.
OL specifically was 6/17 (35%) RTP, 1/16 (6%) RTP Games, 1/16 (6%) RTP Starts, and 2/16 (13%) RTP Performance with 1 RTPP (6%) after 1 year and 1 (6%) after 2 years.

We are not talking about great odds here people. The media and agents can cook this up howevery they want to cook it. Its a blood-flow injury, so it's going to heal up just fine. Healing up doesn't mean he's ever going to be able to play the same. The elasticity of that tendon is forever affected. His ability to generate power and torque from his quads to the ground is forever affected.

You can look deeper at the stats if you want. Purely looking at OL, he has a 13% chance of ever returning to play at his prior level of performance (this favors Simmons over RTP Starts or RTP Games). Data says 83% of NFL first-round picks on the offensive line hit. So, chances are you'll play somewhere on the OL. 59% actually hit at OT, so a healthy portion of guys drafted to be OTs end up playing some other position.

So if he has a 13% shot of returning to his prior form and a 59% chance of playing OT, then he falls somewhere in the neighborhood of an 8% chance he'll make it as an OT. He has about an 11% chance of ever being anything on the OL.

Is that what you want from your 1st round pick, folks? I don't. In fact, that screams 7th rounder or UDFA. That doesn't even scream 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I'd be willing to take a shot in the dark in round 3. I mean, there is that remote potential that he ends up defying all odds. It's not due to his youth because less experienced, and younger players actually have worse odds in the study. It's merely one of those "so you're telling me there's a chance" situations.

Originally Posted by Yo Murphy. (Post 18042075)

Ohio State Buckeye drafted FINALLY!

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042175)

There are people really writing off a 22 year old coming back from an injury?

Younger people recover better. Give it a shot.

The board ****ing sucked. Like who did you want?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042167)

Like we did with Skyy Moore?

You'd have backed any swinging dick they took.

No, I absolutely will not ignore literally every single data point that has EVER existed.

This is ****ing dumb.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042167)

Like we did with Skyy Moore?

You'd have backed any swinging dick they took.

No, I absolutely will not ignore literally every single data point that has EVER existed.

This is ****ing dumb.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042214)

**** my life.

I will hope this works out and they're right and he's the unicorn.

But this seems like a desperate move, the type of shit dumb franchises do. I guess we're a dumb franchise now.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042167)

Like we did with Skyy Moore?

You'd have backed any swinging dick they took.

No, I absolutely will not ignore literally every single data point that has EVER existed.

This is ****ing dumb.

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 18042192)

DJ is usually right so I trust his opinion. Bad move.

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 18042020)

[img]https://media1.tenor.com/m/Fu5pigAWWxEAAAAd/kid-saying-****.gif[/img]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18042214)

**** my life.

I will hope this works out and they're right and he's the unicorn.

But this seems like a desperate move, the type of shit dumb franchises do. I guess we're a dumb franchise now.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042224)

Reid is very confident he's good to go.

Originally Posted by Fishels (Post 18042220)

If the stats are really that bad on this injury I have no choice but to similarly be baffled. Hopefully they know something we don’t

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042218)

Nope. Not actually the case for this type of injury.

What else ya got?

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 18042226)

To be fair he was saying similar about Kelce with his injury , so who knows.

Originally Posted by Fishels (Post 18042220)

If the stats are really that bad on this injury I have no choice but to similarly be baffled. Hopefully they know something we don’t

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18042223)

Or they just...know something we and the rest of the league don't.

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 18042232)

What do you expect him to say? I like this kid but hope he doesn't tear his knee again?

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042189)

In Veach We Trust

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042234)

You guys act like this was pick 12.

If he’s an average LT, that’s a tremendous value at 32.

****ing take a walk or go to bed.

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 18042193)

Mahomes seems to be VERY happy with the pick. Hope they didn't whistle past the graveyard just to appease him on this.

Originally Posted by Balto (Post 18042219)

I gave you other data that showed it does work out sometimes. You just refuse to have an open mind.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042222)

The takes in this thread will be juicy in two years LMAO

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042243)

And what about the other 31 teams?

Sure, others would’ve gone another direction regardless

But some are (likely falsely) claiming this guy would’ve been a top 10 pick? Why was there no super aggressive team making a move up?

Why did he fall to 32?

Plenty of teams could be very happy with a “top 5 value” in the mid teens.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 18042222)

The takes in this thread will be juicy in two years LMAO

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042188)

I’m typically pretty optimistic, but I can’t get there with this one.

The history of this particular injury is just too awful.

Zero issues with the player or position. That all makes sense.

The record for guys who have had this injury is just so so bad.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 18042260)

The board has seemingly become as gutless as you were after the Raiders Christmas loss two seasons ago.

Getting this upset over drafting an ultra talented potential franchise LT at 32. LMAO

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18042258)

I remember when Trey Smith lasted until the 6th round because of medicals when he should have been a 2nd round pick- that worked out pretty good for us.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18042199)

Ever.

He will help us...never.

And I only say that because nobody that's suffered this injury ever has. At least not on the OL.

It's beyond reckless. It's just ****ing stupid.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18042258)

I remember when Trey Smith lasted until the 6th round because of medicals when he should have been a 2nd round pick- that worked out pretty good for us.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042243)

And what about the other 31 teams?

Sure, others would’ve gone another direction regardless

But some are (likely falsely) claiming this guy would’ve been a top 10 pick? Why was there no super aggressive team making a move up?

Why did he fall to 32?

Plenty of teams could be very happy with a “top 5 value” in the mid teens.

Originally Posted by Imon Yourside (Post 18042221)

Andy has a huge smile on his face, feeling good boys.

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 18042258)

I remember when Trey Smith lasted until the 6th round because of medicals when he should have been a 2nd round pick- that worked out pretty good for us.

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 18042261)

I have been preaching for Simmons for months someone give me a lot of +1

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 18042269)

Ok let's pretend he's fully healthy, is he the LT or the redshirted RT? If he's the RT, why would you use a 1st round pick to redshirt an RT? Especially one coming off a career impacting injury? If he's the LT, why did they give Moore 2 years 30mil with 21 guaranteed? If they wanted a stop gap why not get the more sure thing in Cam Robinson who got only got 1 yr 12mil.

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 18042177)

Let’s cook. Veach is undefeated.

Originally Posted by Delano (Post 18042238)

They usually do.

Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 18042241)

You said the same about Kelces injury , I might be mistaken

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042243)

And what about the other 31 teams?

Sure, others would’ve gone another direction regardless

But some are (likely falsely) claiming this guy would’ve been a top 10 pick? Why was there no super aggressive team making a move up?

Why did he fall to 32?

Plenty of teams could be very happy with a “top 5 value” in the mid teens.

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 18042271)

If this many CPers hate it then this is gonna turn out just fine

Welcome to the team ol one knee

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18042270)

If Trey Smith didn’t work out, there wouldn’t be much of an issue. Any 6th round pick is a gamble.

This is a first round pick. Veach has to be right about this.

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 18042274)

Best pick since pat.

@ me in 2 years.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 18042248)

NBA players have returned with this injury and they require far more athleticism than NFL players.

Can’t wait to hear the press conferences.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 18042283)

https://x.com/pgsween/status/1915616189977419954

Andy says it’s a three-man competition for the two tackle spots. :)