TRADE DOWN, NOT UP!!!!!

Kelvin Banks, Harmon, or Nolen would be an ideal pick at 23...

I can stop in on my way to work and slap your "GB guy" in the head for you if you want. He's likely going in the top 15.

if they are there, absolutely make a trade up!! however, this draft is chock full of talent!! i feel quantity of picks would benefit this team better in the long run.

for the sake of argument, this week is going to take sooooooooooo long......

I tried trading down on the Draft Simulator and couldn't find a trade down partner where the trade netted us additional picks I like.

Now....I grt Veach and his team are much more astute than I am...so if they are wanting to trade down to pick up additional picks , more power to them.

I know we all want a solution at LT. Its just not going to be this year.

Way too much talent on the DL to pass on those players. We need to give Jones more help at DT. He could really wreck shit if he had more one on ones.

I ask again - based on what?

He was a 2nd day pick after his first season at Ohio State. He then played 6 mediocre (or worse teams) before getting hurt and had his worst game against the one quality team he played before he got hurt.

Then they replaced him with Donovan Jackson and won a championship without him.

What did we see from Simmons that even says he's a top 10 pick, let alone top 5?

This was a 12-15 talent -- probably -- had he not gotten hurt. AND had he actually played well in a conference season; which certainly wasn't a given.

I just don't see where anyone is getting this 'elite if healthy' stufff with Josh Simmons. He wasn't. And then he got hurt.

This just feels like the Justyn Ross "He was a 1st round talent before the injuries!" stuff. People projected his talent based on a few strong games as a freshman and they presumed a continued strong development curve. Then they AGAIN presumed he'd get back to healthy.

In all likelihood neither thing was true. His development curve wouldn't have taken him to 1st round status even if healthy and then it turns out he was never going to be the same player even AFTER he was 'healed' from the injuries he'd had.

And there were people looking at him as a potential 1st or 2nd round pick in that draft 'round here. And many of those same folks are making the same mistakes now that they made then.

I think he’s going a lot higher than the consensus mocks and a lot of people think…wouldn’t be shocked if he’s a top 20 pick.

Also enough with the Simmons, not only the injury but there’s a ton of smoke around him off the field, like his work ethic and his want and desire. I’m good.

Sounds exactly like the type of player you should be moving up for. :rolleyes:

Agreed.

Brugler has Harmon as his 16th overall prospect. I think he goes #11 to SF.

He has Simmons at 20th overall, though he notes that the projection depends on individual team medical evaluations.

Notably, he has Conerly as his 23rd overall, and people think he'd be a reach and a major project around here. Many prospects the masses want, like Nolen and Burden, are below him.

Brugler is normally pretty plugged in when he releases The Beast, with how NFL teams feel about these guys, too.

There really aren't any positives. The guys that suffer this kind of injury just never fully recover. Again, this isn't about medical exams. Nobody will know if he's good to go until he steps on the field.

I rather they swap places and give them a fifth.

I keep seeing people say "It depends on the medical staff's opinion!" but the medical staff would have to have an opinion that completely ignores the history of this injury to believe he is "the same" as he was before the injury.

Drafting Simmons is basically betting on him being a unicorn, the one dude who actually comes back to what he was before the injury.

As far as positives, I mean, is it a positive that 1/2 the guys who have this injury as NFL players play again? If you HAVE to squint and find a positive, there it is.

It's a coin flip on ending careers. And not just the NFL. NBA, too. (Jeremy Lin, Andre Roberson, Victor Oladipo all had it end their NBA careers in the past 5-10 years).

Well, I hope Veach is calling around with general "What would it take...?" calls. That is part of his due diligence to prepare for the "what if someone slides" scenarios.

Each year Veach gives some number of players a 1st round grade. And no, it isn't 32 players every year that get that grade. IIRC, this is what prompted the trade up for McDuffie.

McDuffie was one of Veach's 1st round guys and when he started to slide Veach went up to get him (leaving Kaiir Elam for Buffalo which is hilarious).

Won't know until after the draft but it seems unlikely Veach has a 1st round grade on a 300 pound lineman with a torn patellar tendon.

I did this mock draft and the Chiefs traded up to me at 14 and I accepted just to see who the simulator took and they managed to get Ashton Jeanty that inexplicably slipped and I'm only saying this because WOW I would not know how to feel about that.


I am pretty sure I'd talk myself into it almost immediately


Also I feel like 4 out of 5 drafts the Chiefs got Malachi Starks and it's a bit of a steal and I wouldn't hate it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;They&#39;re 𝗡𝗢𝗧 taking an offensive lineman in the first round.&quot; 🙅*♂️<a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MattVerderame</a> explains to <a href="https://twitter.com/tuckerdfranklin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tuckerdfranklin</a> why it wouldn’t make sense for the Chiefs to use the 31st overall pick on an offensive tackle. <a href="https://t.co/uu4fAih4wf">pic.twitter.com/uu4fAih4wf</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1911782634469970137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 14, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
Smith
#31
2026 4th rounder

Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.

That makes absolutely no sense beyond a salary purge.

This ain't even news. Teams making calls about possibly moving up or down is due diligence that happens every year. I know it's a slow news period and all.....

Get in the shade soon, that Arizona sun can make you crazy

Love it!

Ha

Bah its perfect weather ATM here HA

I get it but I'm still having a hard time seeing Veach make Smith the highest paid guard in the NFL. It's also a HUGE need for Seattle.

Bunch of haters in here Balto

Personally, I’d prefer to trade Trey Smith if we can get decent value for him. It doesn’t seem wise to make smith the highest paid guard. I realize that would leave a lot of holes on the oline but there are several good tackles that project as guards and good guards as well. If veach can locate and draft a good guard in say the 3rd round to compete for a starting spot, I’d go for trading smith.

Would Seattle really accept this trade?

Maybe if you throw in Skyy Moore they might consider it, seeing how they lost Metcalf.

Sources close to me indicate they will not be looking for QB in round 1.

Trading one of the best guards in the league to move up a couple spots in the draft in order to take Harmon when DL is easily the deepest position in this draft seems bad, OP

LMAO

The sportsbook I just opened on my phone has the lowest odds for the Chiefs pick in the first round to be.. offensive line.

Josh Conerly OT from Oregon is who I would be chasing if he is available after the 1st round. Trade some later picks to move up and get him.

Real life isn't Madden. Don't see it happening.

Oh I love a good "Madden Trade" but I don't consider this as one.

Seattle has a major need and the trade value works for both teams.

Could also look at Wanya for RG.

They could draft a guard Emory Jones Ohio State who moved out to tackle when Simmons got hurt or Wyatt Milum West Virginia in the 2nd or 3rd round Morris is right tackle.

I believe Donovan Jackson moved out to LT when Simmons got hurt. Jones stayed at RT for his entire OSU career I believe.

As for Milum, I think folks are sleeping on him. I really struggle to see why he shouldn't be considered a top 50 prospect. He's a really good football player. If we skip OT in the 1st round, I wouldn't mind seeing him in the 2nd at all. I'd be really surprised if he's not a long term starter SOMEWHERE on the OL.

Oops thanks for the assist.

If you get a developmental quarterback and let him sit on the bench and learn from Patrick Mahomes II for twelve years or so, he'll take the league by storm when his turn finally comes.

They want this kid...

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I actually ran the simulator with the Vikings trade with us giving up 31 along with a 3rd next year....I got Derrick Harmon in the first....Kaleb Johnson in the 2nd....and Wilum was available at 67 but wasn't the best O Lineman left at that point. Is that why you believe people are sleeping on him?

Silly season in full swing.

Yes.

I really don't see any reason he should make it out of the 2nd round. He's a turnkey asset at OG and that's if he's not a pretty decent RT in his own right.

I'd damn skippy take him over Kaleb Johnson, that's for sure.

If we could get Millum in R2, I'd have myself a nice little dogfight for LG and Swing-Tackle over camp with Milum, Kingsley, Morris and Nourzad. Winner moves to LG, 2nd is my primary Swing with an inside track at the RT job next year. 3rd becomes Swing IOL (who may well end up replacing Smith) and the 4th place guy probably ends up pretty well buried.

Which is ALSO why I don't see some immediate pressing need to go with an OT in the 1st round. The moment you add another OT to this OL room, you're likely dooming a guy like Nourzad to long-term irrelevance in the organization and I think it's just a little premature. I think he can be a viable ballplayer long-term.

Now if the value is right - c'est la vie. You eat what you kill in the NFL, son. If you can't hang on, so be it -- good luck Hunter. But I'm not reaching, I'm not trading up and I'm damn sure not moving mountains to go get a guy with a questionable knee.

I mean, even if it isn't his POWER KNEE.

(God I hope that becomes a thing. We need more discussion about power knees in here...)

I picked Kaleb Johnson because he was the best available in the Simulator....plus we had the pick 66 which i knew based on Milum's ranking he would still be there.

Your scenario in the follow up post sounds interesting....and I am for sure not in the Josh Simmons camp....too much to lose considering what happened to his knee.

I think there’s a great argument to be made that the board falls off pretty big after about 25 so trading up makes sense

Doing a pick swap with to switch 3rd rd picks is great value in this draft. The 3rd rd will have early 3rd rd talent at the end of the 3rd rd this year. Great spot to get a good RB and DE prospect

He needs to go to the Jets so the jokes can write themselves

The real question is will there be a DT we want left on the board when we pick at 31.

It's a short term overpay to buy more time in the long run.

I’m leaning towards Nolen, Grant, and Harmon all being long gone…

I really feel like the Chiefs might be caught in no man’s land at 31…

That’s why I believe only looking at OL/DL is foolish, I can see Veach going in a completely different direction than a lot of people think.

The whole “auto pick what ever offensive lineman is there at 31” narrative that I see in so many mocks and shows is the dumbest thing in this entire buildup.

This is such a deep DL draft and they literally sprinted out at the start of FA to sign a LT.

I think the Chiefs have given themselves a lot of options and Veech has no idea who will be available and what direction he is going to go. But OL is probably the least likely, given how fast they come off the board.

I also think it is possible for them to move back to the top of the second round if the Browns, Giants etc need to move back in the first to grab Dart or another QB.

Yep, I think it is a given we grab a DL in our first 3 picks.

For those on Twitter, please post whatever you come across.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach has just kicked off his pre-draft press conference.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1912884720716652880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My sources say no RB round 1 this year.

RB doesn’t seem very high on the priority list unless Veach is playing the reverse psychology game lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach mentioned offensive line, defensive line, cornerback and wide receiver as areas the Chiefs could target in the draft.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1912886084771676436?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like there’s some optimism

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach on Trey Smith negotiations: &quot;Hopefully, we get that done. There is no lack of interest, will, or desire on our end.&quot; <br><br>He says that once the draft is over, they&#39;ll reconnect with his agency, CAA.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1912886439840198769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sounds like Brett Veach and the Chiefs draft board will have around 13 first round grades, lower than years prior. However, if one of them falls, calls will be made to go get them in a McDuffie type of situation.<br><br>Did also note the next tier of prospect grades is a bit larger,…</p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1912887416173838353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Teicher asked the first question. I thought his bitch ass retired?

That's Nolan and Harmon, IMO.

They're not trading up for an OT. If they only have 13 guys with 1st round grades, there's no damn way one of them is Simmons or Conerly.

If they trade up, it'll be for one of those DTs.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach on trading back: &quot;I certainly have a tendency to be on the aggressive side and move up. It&#39;s interesting. The numbers are a little down. . . It might make sense to us. . . I&#39;m certainly open to it if it makes sense for us to acquire more picks.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1912888061584683217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nothing new here, just some reassurance I guess lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach said the team will continue to address the offensive line during the draft.</p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1912888143755292735?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Skattebo!!!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach says the running back class is probably the deepest position group in the draft. <br><br>He mentioned really good players will be available in Rounds 1 through 5, and there&#39;s &quot;a good likelihood&quot; one of those players ends up on the Chiefs&#39; roster.</p>&mdash; Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCChiefs_Matt/status/1912890072443105312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach nudges that after RG Trey Smith is resolved, dialogue will begin with DE George Karlaftis and CB Trent McDuffie.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1912891044254929228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Can we 'resolve' it by trading Smith for a 2nd rounder and then extending McDuffie and Karlaftis?

God I hate the idea of another $22+ million dollar interior lineman.

{sigh}

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs GM Brett Veach&#39;s top two classes in the draft<br><br>1. running back<br>2. edge rusher</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1912893003280117913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 17, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably aren't taking one early then.

Ugh…..I hope that isn’t the case but I agree.

After listening to him, I’m convinced they’re going O-Line in R1….

Few things stood out:

-Veach thinks of Elijah Mitchell like they thought of Jerrick McKinnon. Very similar in certain ways.
-Veach specifically mentioned the kickoff rule forcing teams to return kickoffs and needing a return man type of player from a WR a RB. Definitely helping my Jaylin Lane crush get more value.
-I think DT, receiving weapons (WR or TE) and OL may be our early picks. There’s just club depth at RB and DE. It’s crazy how many good ones there are.

Maybe..... you can never tell about these pre-press conferences. GM's put out misleading shit this time of the year to gain competitive advantages or have their rivals go after players they really have no interest in picking.

I think I read somewhere at some point that people who cover sports have a contract from one season to the next. Maybe the draft is considered last years thing and when training camp starts, thats when the NFL starts a season. But, who the **** knows.

its happening gif!!!!

/maybe, but probably not.

/who knows.

I really don't want this to happen. By Vrotch's own admission, there's only 13 players they've graded as first round talent. It's always possible one of those players slips to that 21-27 range and the feel they HAVE to go get him (McDuffie springs to mind), but being at 31 feels like a sweet spot to get a complimentary guy next to Chris Jones or another receiver for Mahomes.

If anything, I'd be fine with a move back to the top of round 2 for an extra pick or two this year.

I think if they get stuck in no man’s land like 2023 with nobody accepting a trade up and the board being void of the guys they want, I could totally see them taking Conerly assuming he’s there.

But I don’t think that will happen.

Ya know, Seattle has good cap room and a major need for a guard. They also have #50 AND #52 this year. Veach could pry one of those from them for Smith.

I wonder if all the QBs are not included in that 13, maybe made up number, amount?

You add 3 maybe 4 QBs and that pushes at least one of those 13 down to the 16th-17th pick. THEN you know some teams will take a flyer so lets say 2-3 more taken that Veach doesn't consider one of the 13. Now we are pushing into the 18th-20th over all pick to get one of the 13.

I'd be fine with them taking Conerly at the back of the round -- I'm just not interested in trading up to do so.

No Man's Land isn't awful in this draft. It's not ideal, but picking in the back of the 1st never is.

If they trade up, it'll be for one of the two blue chip DTs that could be there in the late teens/early 20s. If they take an OT, it'll be at 31.

Field Yates/Kiper joint 3 round mock has us taking Harold Fannin Jr with the Titans early 3rd rounder. I would be fine with that.

Just not seeing them trade Smith at this point. First, there is no FA's you can spend the 22 million on. Second, it would open up another hole in the line and 3rd it would need to be done prior to the draft and that team would need to make sure Smith is going to sign long term. So really it would need to happen like yesterday. I do not see Smith being an easy contract.

Is there really more then 2 QB's. Dart Millone.... may not go before our pick.

No, but you could put that money to use on extensions for McDuffie and Karlaftis. Maybe even Chenal if there's any left and he's interested in the discussion (I probably wouldn't be in his shoes -- his markets going to be awfully tough to gauge so I'd want to test it if I were him).

I believe the bonus money would need to be factored into this season's cap even if the final year of the rookie deal remains unchanged.

I mean I guess I don't specifically recall since we NEVER seem to sign our extension eligible guys before they finish out their walk year anymore....

Still completely bizarre to me that we didn't get this done with Smith last season if we're suddenly interested in doing it now. We learned nothing we didn't already know and simply cost ourselves a lot more money.

This has been handled pretty poorly by Veach.

They aren't trading Trey