I hope you are correct.

Chicken pox in kids is usually mild. Mostly just a nuisance. For adults is usually worse.

Measles extremely contagious, about one in a thousand will die and more may suffer permanent damage although it isn't always obvious. For instance immune system may be slightly weaker. May be slight brain damage.

Polio is contagious. From one in a hundred to one in a thousand can end up with serious, life long nervous problems, paralysis. Can strike in childhood, go into remission, and return in adulthood.

All three have vaccines.

MMR vaccination rates have been dropping in recent years.

If MMR rates in schools/school districts are above 95%, measles won't spread in that school, school district and kids/schools tend to be common source of spread.

But a 85% rate can allow measles to spread.

My dad had Polio.

The MMR vaccine was taken by 95.2% of students in 2020.

Now, that percentage is closer to 92%…below herd immunity.

Wonder what happened after 2020….

Bobby said this is normal this time of year.

Not that it matters. If you get vaccinated you're covered. It doesn't matter what your neighbor does. That's their risk.

IF only there were a way to prevent lighting strikes with a harmless pinch to the arm that was administered by a highly educated expert that would also prevent the electricity form spreading to others.

What they do doesn't matter.

This is like arguing that cavities will spread to your family if your neighbor doesn't brush his teeth. Not true. If you take TRT therapy your test will go up. Your neighbor doesn't have to. His low T is his problem.

It’s already been said but children aren’t given their first MMR vaccine until they’re 12 months old. They don’t receive the second dose until they’re like 4 or something.

It’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be.

I received the measles vaccine in the 60s that was later terminated when it was found to have been ineffective. Unfortunately, I got the measles when I was 17 and it was no joke. Hospitalized with extremely high fever and pneumonia. Without getting into the politics of vaccines, I highly endorse the traditional vaccines. Nobody should have to go through what I did.

Yeah, but have you consider that you’re genetically weak?

In all seriousness, how has your immune system been since? I’ve read that measles can “reset” your immune system by destroying memory cells. Apparently it can take months or years to recover.

It's been 50 years, but I don't recall having been sickly afterward. It just took a couple of months to recover. If you've ever had pneumonia you'll know what I'm talking about and I had a pretty severe case. It's known now as Atypical Measles Syndrome.

The only problem with the argument of highly educated expert is that after COVID, that is a dubious claim. Many so called professionals in the medical community were just doing what they were told by a small minority. And several people, who were not just some nutjobs but actually respected medical professionals, were ignored, shunned, or canceled. And that was simply due to the fact that they offered alternatives and weren't promoting the "approved" messaging.

I, like jdubya suggested, am skeptical of the experts now. That doesn't mean that I am anti vax, by any means (just got shingles vaccine 1.5 years ago). But I feel like I did learn from that experience how manipulative people in positions of power can be and how much they are willing to wield said power.
That's what I feel COVID was about. Not that I am into conspiracy theories like plandemic or whatnot. It was real, but it was also used to manipulate societies.

And frankly, even those that are medical experts didn't bother to account for the effects of shutting down society. And why should they? That's not their expertise. But they should have.

I am currently reading Diary of a Psychosis: How Public Health Disgraced Itself During Covid Mania by Thomas E Woods Jr and The Libertarian Institute. It's a good read and helps to put things in perspective. Check it out. Or don't and continue to not see things. I don't care.

If it leads to mumps and testicle removal. Who loses

Hell yeah brother!!

Honestly I don't think most "anti vax" people are even "all vaccines are evil." The ones i know are more about why can't we choose which ones?" They make it so it's get them all or claim exemptions. Plenty of parents don't want the hpv one for example.

I just wish this whole thing was treated like science and not politics. Why are both sides so nasty about it all? I think if the medical community would just be ok with their real side effects just like all other meds, there would be less push back. All the fear mongering from both sides needs to stop. So does the ridiculing...

You have to have been told this before, but this view doesn't account for the immunocompromised. Whether by nature or due to something like cancer treatment, a lot of people aren't able to take a vaccine. Other people getting immunized helps protect them.

The CDC defines a measles outbreak as 3 or more in the same area.

40% of the 285 in 2024 were hospitalizations.

In 2025, we are at 378, but with only 17% hospitalized

This straight from the cdc website.

Anyone who thinks this just Dong being nice with just an FYI is fooling themselves

False. You can’t compare a contagious disease to brushing your teeth or TRT therapy, they are not alike.

When one scientist makes a discovery, they share it with other experts in their field. Who intern, share that knowledge with the general public. I’m still baffled by the issue people had with Covid. There was clearly a pandemic that was killing millions of people. It was a public safety hazard, the severity of or risk to your personal health you can argue back and forth as much as you’d like, but the reality was there were real world health concerns and they acted to save lives.

So people stayed home from work, you couldn’t gather in large public settings, and your local sandwich shop was delivery only… what’s the big deal? So what, we were less comfortable for about a year and your 401k took a hit. We acknowledge the firefighters at ground zero during 911 as patriots and heroes, but not the medical community for saving astronomically more lives from a different threat? It seems like a silly thing to get upset about and not thank them for their service.

My question is what course of action would those who opposed quarantine prefer during a world-wide pandemic that’s killing millions?

This guy gets it.

Social media largely didn't exist in 2001.

Oh no not this again.

Let's put it in the past. Far into the past. Like ancient history past.

I had a Grandpa survive childhood polio. He was on an iron lung for a while as a kid. Cant imagine the terror those little kids faced.

These childhood vaccines have save BILLIONS of lives. I sure hope the whole Covid vaccine thing doesn't turn people against one of the best things we humans have ever accomplished.

How's Sweden looking?