We tried and even offered more than the Bengals IIRC

BWillie has been hacked.

The revisionist history is amazing with OBJ.

Chief Fan doesn’t remember how much he hated OBJ.

Chief Fan also doesn’t seem to remember how OBJ and that rookie agent ****ed up the negotiation of that extension, which hurt both the Chiefs and OBJ.

It seems like the LT position is almost impossible to fill without a top-ten pick, and even then it's dicey. Pass rushers these days are insanely athletic.

Eric Fisher was a #1 pick, and he was imperfect. Orlando Brown, Jr., was a brontosaurus and he was imperfect. We've spent second-day picks on Kingsley and Wanya who have had a hard time (so far) adjusting.

I'm starting to conclude that top-notch left tackles do not grow on trees.

Watch this guy morph into Willie Roaf.

Can’t believe this ended up being the best they could do. We gave up Thuney for a left side of Jaylon Moore and Kingsley? That’s our solution after what we just saw in the Super Bowl?

These guys have made a lot of the right moves over the years even when they appeared questionable, but I don’t think I’ve ever been as uncomfortable as I am with this current plan unfolding. I’ll leave them to do their thing, but man. Hope for the best.

Hopefully not current-day Willie Roaf

Probably the best option we had for a solid vet that could be a bandaid.


Still a mystery box.

So… I love this move. It is a bandaid. And we now have two guys who are locked in but moveable next year at OT. Much better than a long term deal with a guy we’re meh about. Best case he plays well. this gives veach the charge to overload with OTs to find good value somewhere.

“Falls forward and out of the play when hands get wiped out early.”

Yikes. That sounds familiar. That said, I’m sure he’s an upgrade to our patchwork at LT last season.

I think the odds are better that he morphs into Ricky Siglar, but I'll keep an open mind.

Who’s the best LT we could reasonably acquire at this stage of the offseason?

Did the Chiefs make the best possible move for the upcoming season? Then that’s that.

Multiple teams have found decent left tackles the past few years without using top 10 picks. I’m not saying it’s easy, but it’s far from impossible.

Now that you mention it, you're right. I remember Bakhtiari from a while back, and I think the Bears have a guy. Who else? And what's the pattern in successful non-top-ten picks?

Oh, and that giant Samoan for Philadelphia, but we're already running a giant Samoan experiment with Kingsley.

And the overwhelming majority were still well out of the Chiefs range, but sure buddy!

49ers fans calling him a "natural pass blocker."

If you're not excited about getting an athletic LT after the last two years of ****ing shit just turn in your fan card.

You understand that's a college scouting report, right?

Considering he was a 5th round pick, it's safe to assume he's gotten A LOT better.

I’ll say it again I’m just really glad it wasn’t Dan Moore. Watching him get whooped by Danna and FAU on Christmas, yeah that doesn’t play for me.

I think we’re looking at DT/DE.

IIRC it was the way it was structured on why he turned it down. I think both parties are probably to blame. It is too bad because no one likes this revolving door at LT.

I remember when I was excited about Jamar Taylor…

Reading more about this guy- looks like a good move. He isn’t a superstar but is about as good as we could do at this point. This also means we won’t need to reach for a third round tackle prospect in the first round of the draft.

He can’t get whooped by Danna and FAU if he plays on the same team.

Man why am I not a GM? I’m out here Moneyballing the shit out of the league!

Realistically it probably is. I’m not as worried about guard as I feel like it’s an easier position to draft for and also like the idea of giving wanya or Kingsley a full offseason go at it. I also like that we don’t have to give up on Kingsley at LT.

I also wouldn’t rule out still using the draft. We should take plenty of swings over the next few years. We gotta be willing and able to swing and a miss a few times. But until we get that figured out, let’s use a reasonably priced bandaid so we don’t do the bullshit we did last year at LT and two years ago at WR.

That's what attracted me to him -- he does trend more towards the Fisher style of athletic OTs.

He just hasn't really had to DO it yet. Like I said, those short sets the 49ers use couldn't be much different than what we do. They use those 'attack' sets that have their OTs coming forward at the snap rather than backwards a lot (similar to how Thuney was doing it).

We need to see how he puts those tools to use yet. But the fact that he at least HAS those tools is certainly encouraging.

The 49erfication of the Chiefs continues.

Thank God it's not at QB.

That’s all well and good but how many False Starts does he average per game…

Dan Moore just went for 4 at 82 mil. to the Titans…

zero

****ING

ZERO

IIRC it's supposed to be a weak draft for Tackles, so that would impact the free agent market too.

Wow- dude didn’t commit a single penalty last year

Yeah I’ll take Jaylon thank you very much

Wonder what the first 2 years of that look like.

Betting it's not terribly dissimilar to Moore's.

Dion Dawkins was a 2nd rounder at #63 overall and he has been very solid for Buffalo the last 7-8 years. Pretty much never missed a game, an underrated trait.

$30 million in first year.

I don’t necessarily mind Moore, but I’d feel much more comfortable if Thuney was still penciled in at left guard. I don’t see why they felt the need to move on from him if they were potentially going to plug in another project at LT. Him next to a guy like Kingsley is asking for trouble. They could have moved money around and kept him another year.

I’m just saying, I’m not really sure how anyone can feel that much more comfortable with the current state of the left side of the line than they did before the offseason. You’ve got the 49ers backup LT and a raw project who flamed out at tackle protecting the blind side of the best QB on Earth. Sorry, but that concerns me and I’m not going to just pretend it doesn’t. This feels like the Skyy/Toney situation all over again and a lot of you will talk yourselves into it just like that, but they’re setting themselves up for an absolute mess.

I hope they still resign Humphries now. That would make me feel more comfortable.

No judgement, but why? I know nothing about him.

50 million in first two years.

I’m still intrigued about how far josh Simmons will fall in the draft. Probably wishful thinking but then again worthy fell right into our lap last year. His mock draft value seems to be anywhere from top 10 to bottom 20.

So probably a $25 million signing bonus. Could see those first 2 years having fairly low base salaries to make that similar to a 2 year, $40 million deal. Maybe $35 million.

I'd rather have Jaylon but if you're gonna get those 'option' years in years 3 and 4 when the cap is going to continue to rise, maybe that's what you'd have had to have done. They had to pay more up front to lock in the longer term while also potentially creating outs for themselves if it doesn't work.

Let's look at it this way -- lets say that Jaylon has a solid first 2 years here -- plays average to above average football; is a top 12-16 LT.

Don't you figure he'd be in line for another 2/$50 million in 27/28 with relative ease? At that point he's gonna be at the same 4/$80 million.

In this case, I think the Titans had to pay a premium to get 4 years (and the Chiefs might have as well if they wanted that for Jaylon).

It's just a really strange environment with the cap increases coming over the next several years. You're not getting a better AAV by offering more term these days.

I think he’s gonna go a lot higher than people think, if a team is comfortable with injury recovery there’s no reason to not take him.

I could see him going in the mid teens honestly.

Oh.

Well that's way too damn much. That's clearly a tier ahead of Jaylon.

More guaranteed money than what Stanley got.

5.5 out of 10.

Still sketchy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LT - Jaylon Moore<br>LG - Kingsley Suamataia<br>C - Creed Humphrey<br>RG - Trey Smith<br>RT - Jawaan Taylor<br><br>How we feeling?</p>&mdash; Mark Gunnels (@MarkAGunnels) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarkAGunnels/status/1899146260407628196?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don't think it's remotely possible he can be worse than anything we trotted out at LT last season.

I feel like BV is killing it so far this offseason.

There's still some moves to be made, and we need a good draft.

I'm just ready to win another Super Bowl. This drought is killing me.

Yes, we still need a heroic draft, Veach has done well in FA but he really needs to hit on our picks in rounds 1-3, no more Skyy's or FAU's

If Simmons is cleared by the medical staff and drops to where McDuffie did his draft year you go get him.

I like the two year deal. If he pans out we have to pay the man. If he doesn't we we walk away. Would have paying him 4 years 80M and not happy with the LT play

Picks from Rounds 1-3 the last 4 years:

2021 - Bolton and Humphrey
2022 - McDuffie, Karlaftis, Moore, Cook
2023 - FAU, Rice, Morris
2024 - Worthy, Kingsley

Why did you focus on the two bad picks of the last 4 years and not the 6 home runs (Bolton, Humphrey, McDuffie, Karlaftis, Rice, and Worthy) from those same rounds?

Chiefs fan hates all OT's that don't look like first ballot HOFers.

Onus still falls on Andy to help out more and not leave these guys on islands with vertical sets all the time, move the pocket, Etc.

He's the outlier, if you look at the rest of the OTs taken around then the hit rate is pretty bad.

And other than Bakhtiari, none of those guys were serviceable in year one.

It took Philly three full seasons to start Mailata week one.

We can find somebody outside the top 10, yes, but that means not writing a player off as a failure if they get redshirted or have immediate struggles

Agreed. Buffalo is lucky.

Yay! I can't believe Veach got my dude. I didn't want Veach to break the bank on all the shit OTs in this FA class but rather take a chance on this kid developing. Honestly, it also still leaves the draft open to taking an LT if they want and maybe developing that kid for a year.

Their GM had a really strong draft in 2017 and then was fired by McDermott.


:hmmm:

If this guy turns out to be a slightly above average LT the Chiefs made the best signing they probably could have made.

If he is just avg it is still great.

If he is as bad as Kingsley or Morris...and I dont know how that would be possible....but then it is awful.

Good call.

Wonder if they will try to keep DJ Humphries if the price is low enough.

They absolutely should be trying to.

Then you would or some would be complaining about not signing Bolton and or Trey. We are in the "established" phase of the Mahomes years, It's going to be this way until he retires.

Dillphag is somewhere muttering and upset we didnt extend and tender a 200M dollar contract to Morris.

Love this! I am very happy with what this team is doing leading up to the draft! Yes, I am all onboard with Simmons if he is within reach. :thumb:

I get it, I just think it’s being a little reckless if this was their plan. They must have a lot of faith in Kingsley to play LG, that’s all I can say. This is the kind of situation that could really wreck a season if it doesn’t work out.

I'd definitely be up for Humphries hanging around as well, anyone know if he has the chops to play RT and could compete for the position with our $20M "penalties 'R' us" man J. Taylor?

Me too.


Simmons has Pro Bowl LT potential if medically cleared.

Ascending LT that has vastly improved each year since coming out of a small school.

Perfect deal that allows Kingsley to develop and find his place and a vet that can man the LT position long term if he continues to develop.

PFF grades improved each year, which is exactly what you want to see.

Another great deal by Veach and his crew.

Not sure why you would want Humphries back now.

A guy who couldn't even beat out Thuney.

I know he was in a strange spot and didnt get a chance but if he was really the guy he would have.

And you could look a little longer at the guys that profile at RT as well.

Because Taylor may well be on a 1-year deal in his own right at this point.

I still don't think I'm gonna lean the direction when the pick is actually up, but it's something worth considering more as a long-term developmental track at RT and as a possible LT if you aren't satisfied with Moore in a couple years.

Gonna be honest here. Not great tape from him. Reminds me a little of Orlando struggling with outside speed at times but handling bull rushes well.

Not perfect but he has a floor and it’s way higher than anything we had last year. I would take Orlando Brown Jr back over the shit we’ve had.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every Jaylon Moore 3rd and medium-long one-on-one True Pass set from last year.<br><br>- Consistently in the way<br>- Good latch when connected<br>- Generally balanced through set<br>- Pressed by speed &amp; length<br>- Wasn&#39;t asked to get deep up the arc<br>- Ball was out QUICK <a href="https://t.co/q1G9s7exB3">pic.twitter.com/q1G9s7exB3</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matty_KCSN/status/1899148774364311887?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Andy Heck likes what he sees!

I let other people worry about dollars and cap hits, so ignoring that, I want as much talent in training camp as possible. Let the best man win.

Holy shit, considering Dan Moore got $21M/year from the Flaming Thumbtacks, this looks like a goddamn bargain.

Why?

What you don't see is him getting destroyed and losing quick. That's great.

The Chiefs are developing Kingsley to be a guard... the ship has sailed for him to be a LT.

This is one of the positives with this signing... if Simmons falls late in the first round and within striking distance, the Chiefs could reasonably trade up to get him.

Justifying that move if they were paying Cam Robinson $20+ million a year would be a little more difficult.

Really? After two starts?

I'm mystified by all of this. He was deemed a really good LT prospect. Have the Chiefs given up on him at LT or is Chiefsplanet speculating?