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I think it's looking like he could make it to us and I think he's a fantastic fit. I don't think he tested poorly necessarily but he didn't exactly set the place on fire. In a draft with a lot of shiny objects, he might just be the Karlaftis sort that emerges from it. And like Karlaftis, I've seen him projected anywhere from a top 10 pick to a 2nd rounder. I hadn't really considered him at all early in the process but I do think there's a chance he has one of those strange slides where a guy who just looks like a good football player sits at the #2 slot on a BUNCH of draft boards but doesn't sit at #1 when their pick comes up. |
I feel like draft coverage is like stock market coverage. With stocks, no one ever says anything negative. It's pretty much just "hold, buy, or buybuybuybuy!" When I read about the draft, I come away every year with the impression that the draft is full of burgeoning stars. This makes me always want to trade down, because instead of getting one star in the first round, let's trade down and get two stars in the second and third. But a few years later, all of those second and third round stars dilute out into an average draft class.
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It was truly unbelievable that they passed on McConkey. I don’t give a shit if you have Shakir. McConkey was that good and we all knew it. Coleman was a reach and we all knew that too. The Bills **** up their draft picks no matter what they do. They just got rid of Elam and Kincaid has not been good and their fans hate him. It depends on the draft. This one is very very good in rds 2-5. Just saying. The last time this franchise traded back, they drafted a first ballot HOF DT (Chris Jones) and parlayed the trade compensation (Parker Ehringer) into a pro bowl/2nd team all-pro corner (Charvarius Ward). |
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We are going to draft Conerly aren’t we?
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Update 3/26
1. Josh Conerly, Jr., OT, Oregon 2. Aireontae Ersery, OT, Minnesota 3. Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon 4. Kenneth Grant, DT, Michigan 5. TreVeyon Henderson, RB, Ohio State 6. J.T. Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State 7. Nic Scourton, DE, Texas A&M 8. Azareye'h Thomas, CB, Florida State 9. Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State 10. Carson Schwesinger, LB, UCLA |
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It just doesn't. Or at least it hasn't. Maybe as Jones ages (and we all agree he declined a bit last year, right?) they'll get away from using our DEs like Romeo did when we were 2-gapping. He uses the DEs to occupy blockers and space to free up Jones. Maybe when Jones isn't the game to game force that he was at his peak, we'll get away from that a bit. But if we're gonna, the time to do it is now. Don't wait until Jones is on fumes -- do it now. Do it when it's starting to look like he has to pick his spots a little more than he did in the past. Do it in a way that ALLOWS him to pick spots and get some breaks now and again. Don't wait until we've used him up. |
Ah draft season.
One guy: "Mediocre athlete, great kid..." Other guy: "Fantastic athlete, complete asshole..." I'll say this, his functional strength really did look pretty poor against Carter even when he was getting the job done. It was angles and momentum he was using. Some of that stuff might have been called a hold. Most of it might not have worked against someone a little stronger. And if he's a starter and they start going right at his chest, that's gonna be a struggle. He was able to get his angles right and use Carters momentum against him to win more than he lost in that clip but even in a pretty positive film package, you could see the strength is a real issue. |
Updated list and I think this one's final.
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On what planet, besides Chiefs Planet, is Walter Nolen falling out of the top 15?
I'm genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of shit about this and I just can't reconcile that. To me, he's an even better prospect than Jalen Carter was and he went 9th with character flaws. The only thing that pushes him down a little bit more than maybe Carter is that Mason Graham is going top 5-6. Nolen isn't making it within any stratosphere of the Chiefs' pick. Bank it. |
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Unless Nolen is actively in a gang or some shit, he's probably not dropping outside of the top 20. I don't even think he'll make it that far. He's too good as a 4-3 3T or a 3-4 5T. He is pure disruption, and his run defense isn't half as bad as is currently made out. Sometimes, consistently good players get overanalyzed. I'd say Kelvin Banks fits in that demographic as well. |
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https://x.com/billym_91/status/1904942265438437839?s=46 Great tape against top competition. Great pass rush win rate. I think he's very underrated and in that tier of pass rushers. Not including him in this list because there's not much 1st round buzz, but he'd be on the bubble of my list at worst. |
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I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too. |
The beautiful thing about this discussion is it's clear the Chiefs are leaving day-1 with a really good player that will contribute immediately and be an integral part of this dynasty's next phase. I'm super excited to see who they select!
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If the Chiefs feel that Conerly or Simmons is a capably starting LT, then odds are more than likely that one of them will be there and only 2 teams (Packers/Texans) may pick them.
Nolen and Harmon will both be gone. Don’t see how either will be in range for us. The question is this: what is the disparity between Kenneth Grant and a talent like Omar-Norman Lott or Josh Farmer? That’s the difference between 31 and 63. I do like Scourton, but I do think that we could still get a good DE at 66 or even 95. And of course the they could get a quality RB in rd 2 or 3. Maybe even 4. Rd 3 and 4 is really strong. Better than many other years IMO. Veach trading Sneed for pick 66 is really gonna help us. If they really do believe in a LT, the depth and extra resources allows them to take that shot and still build the roster in needed areas. |
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Very similarly rated prospects. I just see those slotting best in that 50-75 range. |
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Jim Harbaugh recruited Kenneth Grant and called him a “gift from the football God’s”. He loved the kid.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Harmon, Nolen and Grant gone before we even have the chance. |
I asked Grok AI to predict all of our draft picks. I've been playing around with it lately and it's pretty impressive tbh.
1st: Josh Conerly Jr, OT Oregon 2nd: Derrick Harmon, DT Oregon 3rd: Omarion Hampton, HB North Carolina 3rd: Jalen Royals, WR Utah State 4th: Jordan Burch, EDGE Oregon 7th: Charles Grant, OG William & Mary 7th: Donovan Jackson, OG Ohio State 7th: Gabe Hall, DT Baylor I doubt we take 3 Oregon players though lol |
I really like Nic Scourton but man this kid is right with him IMO. He’s really damn good and more athletic than people give him credit for.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure why everyone got quiet on JT Tuimoloau.<br>Consistently wins with Power, technique & Instincts. Has great size & length. Can play up or down. Stops the run, can drop in coverage, pass deflection machine. Seems to impact the game in many ways especially in big moments.<br>6.5… <a href="https://t.co/LrznCOu5bu">pic.twitter.com/LrznCOu5bu</a></p>— The GOAT House (@GoatHouseNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoatHouseNFL/status/1906030627511562252?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Harmon may well not be there for us in the 1st, let alone the 2nd. Burch is likely a late 2, early 3. Royals is probably gone mid-late 2nd, won't make it to the late 3rd. Hall might last later into the 3rd day but I doubt he makes it to Mr. Irrelevant; feels like a probably 4th/5th rounder to me. In either event, no -- I wouldn't call that anything resembling impressive. |
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The draft guys get tired of talking about all these kids from a single school and just overlook one of 'em. For the most part, the teams don't. I think that's a 'draft Twitter' issue more than anything. |
I get the Scourton love. I really like him. But man. This kid has been flashing on a great team for years. He did this at 19 years old. Also whipped Ola Fashanu’s ass.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/n9hjV0qd5ys?si=9hctFQl7Z-S1nGzm" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> He’s gonna be really good |
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I feel like shemar Stewart is more likely to fall than Mykel? Stewart is interesting to me in that he played at 280-290, supposedly. But he dropped to 265 for the combine and put up crazy numbers. I wonder what size he needs to play at? He’s not a pass rusher at this point but he’s great at run d. Could Shemar play inside like Wharton on passing downs as a DT? And slide out to edge on running downs? Shemar only had like 5 sacks in his whole college career and he doesn’t have many moves. He’s mostly a bully but he gives good effort and works hard. I could see spags falling in love with shemars ability to stop the run. We’d have to be patient for him to develop as a pass rusher but I’m not sure how far he falls with his limited sack production in college.
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Shemar Stewart can **** right off my draft board. Haven't seen a more overrated player, maybe ever. And he sucks against the run by the way.
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I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy is not a first rd talent. He has everything you want. Size, huge heavy hands, long enough arms, good first step, never on the ground, elite upside as a pass rusher and is really ****ing strong. Can play 5 tech, 4 tech or 3 tech. Even has some bend to play on the edge if needed. Very versatile.
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What about Tyrion Dawkins? Could he be a late round replacement for wharton. He could play edge in obvious run spots also.
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Davin Vann, N.C. State. He only played at about 6'2" 280 but man what a first step and just pure explosion and disruption. He played DE in their 3-3-5. He's not really long enough to play DE in the NFL but I thought I seen measurements of a 4.79 40 and 33" vertical, so he can fill out his frame more and filter in as a sub-package rush DT. He's #1 in the below highlight: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/LP4ky3gaQSE?si=Ev9fZYq8ez598yN8" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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Van looks like he’s got potential. I could see him taking that Wharton role. I had a hard time finding him. He wasn’t on a few sites. 58th ranked dl on nfl draft buzz. How do you find these guys? What’s your best late round pick in the past? And your biggest miss?
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https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569 I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones. In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation. |
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That’s the fun part about this. It’s really hard to guess who will be good. You’re showing age there with some of those picks! You’ve been watching the draft as long as Mel Kiper?
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Shemar Stewart scares the hell out of me. I don’t want him.
Sure he’s great in the underwear Olympics but 1.5 sacks every year in college? The guy had Shemar Turner and Walter Nolen next to him for a year and then Shemar Turner and Nic Scourton, who had 10 sacks at Purdue the year prior. Idk man. |
FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.
Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude. Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus. |
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Yea, that just reeks of the Chiefs getting a player everybody inevitably regrets passing on. Bring me Nolen.
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I bet there are some character flags there regarding maturity and entitlement but some of this goes way too far into the BS category at this point. I find it difficult to believe he's going to completely fall out of round 1 for it given the bullshit teams have drafted in the past, and in the top 10 at that. This is a player that should probably go #3 to New York. All it takes is one team to think he'll be fine in their culture and he's coming off the board very early. There was a ton of chatter about the same with Jermaine Johnson and he was a far less talented prospect. Still ended up going in round 1 at #26. |
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Two "would you" guys in Round 1 to chew on...
TE Mason Taylor, LSU... Yeah, I've been hard on the "we don't need this" train but damn this kid is talented. Probably going in the top 40-42 picks. I know he's had private meetings with the Browns (33), Saints (40), Dolphins (48), and Broncos (51). LB Carson Schwesinger, UCLA... LB never feels like great positional value in round 1, kind of like RB, but this kid is pretty damned good. Has met with a slew of teams, but notably, Baltimore is on the list. He's routinely slotted in the top 45. |
I saw Jason Taylor talk about his son, Mason, at the senior bowl and he will have a productive 10 year career at TE in the league. The way Jason talked about Mason was a big deal to me. I’d rather have him in the 2nd but you might be right. He’s definitely gone before the 50th pick, IMO.
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Not seeing an edge being taken guys. I don’t think Mykel Williams will be there, Stewart probably not as well (thankfully) and Tuimoloau is generally thought of as a mid 2nd and Scourton is good but probably won’t be BPA. In fact I’ve seen very few mocks with him as a first.
It feels like the top 4 or 5 DE’s will all be gone by the time we pick. That’s fine bc the depth in this class is insane |
I don't think I'd go this route, but if Starks is there, it's an interesting philosophical conversation.
Long-term, are we interested in building our defense through the back instead of the line? Because in Starks you have a guy who you take because you're projecting him to by Kyle Hamilton someday. If you can have a secondary built around Trent McDuffie and a Kyle Hamilton sort of safety over the next 6 years or so...well its an interesting thought. Not sure I'd do it. But I'd consider it. |
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This really feels like an excellent draft to go BPA and work back from there. If that's Starks, so be it. |
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My update 4/9
TreVeyon Henderson, RB, Ohio State Mason Taylor, TE, LSU Josh Conerly, Jr., OT, Oregon Kelvin Banks, Jr., OT, Texas Aireontae Ersery, OT, Minnesota Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss Kenneth Grant, DT, Michigan Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State J.T. Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State Trey Amos, CB, Ole Miss |
Just for fun: Cleveland loves Dart. He’s available at 31 and we get a call. What would it take to move down?
They have these picks: Round 1: No. 2 Round 2: No. 33 Round 3: No. 67 Round 3: No. 94 Round 4: No. 104 Round 6: No. 179 Round 6: No. 192 Round 6: No. 200 Round 6: No. 216 Round 7: No. 255 Trade chart says only 20 pts separates 31 to 33. Bills got a 5th last year moving from 32 to 33. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin Stefanski went and saw Dart throw in person at Ole Miss as well already. The Browns very well could go Carter or Hunter with #2 overall and grab their QB at the top of the second or by trading into the backend of the first. They're doing their work. <a href="https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv">https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv</a></p>— James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1909742928576004419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Cleveland doesn't have a 5th round pick either. The chart values say their high 6th and their low 6th (179 and 216). At that point, I'd probably ask for a future 4th, which would rob them of a little bit of value but be a much better get for us than 6th round.
It really depends on how the board shakes. If we move down, Philly could let someone in front of us so you'd have to have a couple of guys you really like sitting there and be willing to lose out on either because you aren't really gaining a whole lot. |
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Is it worth a 5th, 6th or two 6th's? Probably not. A 4th, specifically Cleveland's 4th at 104? Yeah, I'm interested at that point. But again, depending on who you were targeting and wanting to draft at 31, do you risk losing them moving down 2 spots and also the value of having that 5th year option is something to strongly consider. I'd probably just take my guy at 31, but that's just me. |
The couple times I’ve messed with the espn sim James Pearce Jr has been sitting there.
Is that a run to the podium pick, or is he not a fit? I feel like his skill set has been missing, and the trade for Uche was hoping to bring that in. I know the dudes only available because of some red flags. But I feel that’s a risk worth taking |
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The major issue is absolutely fit -- he's just not as sturdy as Spags likes and we're not going to put him out there as a standup backer or anything. He's essentially a supercharged Uche and we had ZERO use for Uche. Didn't even bother trying to integrate the skill-set. I can't see them using a 1st round pick on a guy like that so quickly after very clearly and loudly signaling they aren't terribly interesting in actually using them. And of course, the character issues seem to be a real concern. But ultimately, as much as I like Pearce, fit is going to be a massive issue for him. And ultimately that's why he'll slide more than the character issues, IMO. I've said it for years but it's scheme versatility (or lack thereof) that creates unexpected draft slides. If you're a guy who really only fits in a specific type of defense, your pool of possible teams might only be 10 squads. And if that's the case and you're 2nd on their board, you're just gonna keep sliding. Combine that with the fact that some of those teams may have him off their board due to character concerns and you could see a pretty massive fall. Or he could go 8th to some team that thinks he's gonna be Parsons 2.0. |
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I’d still definitely be all for it. But I get where you’re coming from. Like the BJ Thompson pick as well. I think Spags/Veach like the idea of that skill set, but when reality comes its never worked out. I’m just going to be so mad if we pass on him, and the Eagles pick him. I can already see it coming. |
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I hope he goes before us. Because Nolan Smith and James Pearce screaming off the edges with Jalen Carter coming up the chute doesn't sound like much fun to me. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"> UPDATE <br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have scheduled a Top 30 Visit with Ohio State OT Josh Simmons.<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a>. <a href="https://t.co/S4Newz7kfN">pic.twitter.com/S4Newz7kfN</a></p>— Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1910483818651267434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Not much we could do about the Eagles picking one earlier than us with Smith. But if we let Pearce go to them I'd be incredibly pissed. He's not as strong as Smith, so the concerns this time might be more legit. But he's got the frame to build out, and if Spags really can't find a substantial role for a guy like that, that's his failure imo. |
Verderame’s top 5 and it’s honestly pretty close to mine:
1. Walter Nolan 2. Derrick Harmon 3. Luther Burden 4. Omarion Hampton 5. Kenneth Grant |
10 more days for the damn draft! I'm feeling good about this draft class
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Final list.
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Like it, staylor. Me:
QB: None RB: None WR: Emeka Egbuka, Luther Burden TE: Colston Loveland LT: Josh Conerly, Jr. G: None (I am not a ****ing moron) C: None (I am not a ****ing moron) DE: Nic Scourton, JT Tuimolau, Jordan Burch DT: Walter Nolen, Derrick Harmon LB: None CB: Trey Amos, Shavon Revel, Azareyah Thomas S: None |
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