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staylor26 03-26-2025 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010412)
Hurray!!!!!

Another convert to the "Don't trade out of the 1st unless you're screwin' 'em" club!!!!

I just don't understand why folks are so eager to move down 10-15 spots for a pick that has a 20% chance of making a meaningful impact.

If someone wants to blow our socks off, fine -- gimme a spare 2nd and I'll gladly rip you off. But I hate hate hate HATE trading out of the 1st round pretty much every year it gets discussed.

You didn't even have to convert me. I've never advocated for it honestly. It just makes even less sense this year.

DJ's left nut 03-26-2025 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17986551)
Starting to feel a little better about Scourton possibly falling to us after the combine. Not because he had a bad one, but because of how others knocked it out of the park.

This is how I feel about Mykel Williams.

I think it's looking like he could make it to us and I think he's a fantastic fit. I don't think he tested poorly necessarily but he didn't exactly set the place on fire.

In a draft with a lot of shiny objects, he might just be the Karlaftis sort that emerges from it.

And like Karlaftis, I've seen him projected anywhere from a top 10 pick to a 2nd rounder.

I hadn't really considered him at all early in the process but I do think there's a chance he has one of those strange slides where a guy who just looks like a good football player sits at the #2 slot on a BUNCH of draft boards but doesn't sit at #1 when their pick comes up.

Rain Man 03-26-2025 11:07 AM

I feel like draft coverage is like stock market coverage. With stocks, no one ever says anything negative. It's pretty much just "hold, buy, or buybuybuybuy!" When I read about the draft, I come away every year with the impression that the draft is full of burgeoning stars. This makes me always want to trade down, because instead of getting one star in the first round, let's trade down and get two stars in the second and third. But a few years later, all of those second and third round stars dilute out into an average draft class.

RunKC 03-26-2025 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010413)
It worked out super well for the Bills...

The Bills are stupid franchise though. Has any draft pick in recent memory been a true blue chip for them? Spencer Brown was a hell of a get but aside from him?

It was truly unbelievable that they passed on McConkey. I don’t give a shit if you have Shakir. McConkey was that good and we all knew it. Coleman was a reach and we all knew that too. The Bills **** up their draft picks no matter what they do. They just got rid of Elam and Kincaid has not been good and their fans hate him.

It depends on the draft. This one is very very good in rds 2-5.

Just saying. The last time this franchise traded back, they drafted a first ballot HOF DT (Chris Jones) and parlayed the trade compensation (Parker Ehringer) into a pro bowl/2nd team all-pro corner (Charvarius Ward).

staylor26 03-26-2025 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010421)
This is how I feel about Mykel Williams.

I think it's looking like he could make it to us and I think he's a fantastic fit. I don't think he tested poorly necessarily but he didn't exactly set the place on fire.

In a draft with a lot of shiny objects, he might just be the Karlaftis sort that emerges from it.

And like Karlaftis, I've seen him projected anywhere from a top 10 pick to a 2nd rounder.

I hadn't really considered him at all early in the process but I do think there's a chance he has one of those strange slides where a guy who just looks like a good football player sits at the #2 slot on a BUNCH of draft boards but doesn't sit at #1 when their pick comes up.

I like Mykel, I just wish he showed more as a pass rusher. I totally agree that he could fall to us now, and he'd likely be BPA, though.

RunKC 03-26-2025 11:22 AM

We are going to draft Conerly aren’t we?

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JOSH CONERLY, Oregon (6-4 ½, 313, 5.04, 1-2): Third-year junior, two-year starter. “If you need a left tackle he would be it,” one scout said. “He has the agility and athletic ability to protect the blind side. He’s only going to get better. Great kid, very young. I had a clear vision for him, especially if I needed a left tackle.” Shifted from running back to the offensive line as a high-school sophomore in Seattle. “Big thing was he played well against Penn State’s Abdul Carter,” said another scout. “That really jumped out. Better pass pro than run blocker. Not super talented. Not a gifted athlete. He’s just getting by on his guile and craftiness. He’s going to start and be a good player.” Started at left tackle opposite right tackle Ajani Cornelius. “Both their tackles were really up and down all year,” said a third scout. “They had a hell of an offense but nether one was consistent. They just really struggled with second moves in the pass game. The Boise State game. (Sept. 7) was that way. I’d probably go with Cornelius just because he’s got a little more upside. It was a struggle getting those kids to practice hard, go hard, play hard.” Arms were 33 ½, hands were 10 3/8. “If you’re asking a guy as a rookie to protect the blind side he would be a really good option,” a fourth scout said. “One thing he’ll have to get better at is strength in the run game if he wants to become a long-time Pro Bowl player. He doesn’t have in-line strength and power to displace vertically. He doesn’t have it, and you hope because he’s such a young guy that he can develop that.” Struggled in the Senior Bowl game. “He’d be on my all-overrated list,” a fifth scout said. “Has some athleticism but didn’t play smart, didn’t play with very good technique. I didn’t feel this guy.”
6. JOSH SIMMONS, Ohio State (6-5, 317, no 40, 2): Suffered a torn patellar tendon in Game 6 and underwent season-ending surgery Oct. 12. “He was just pass-setting and went down,” said one scout. “Boom! What a shame. He’s the best athlete in the group and maybe the best in the last few years. He is what you want. The movement is just easy for him. He’s also got some grit to him. He’s not a power dude but it’s easy for him and he yokes people up. Pro Bowl talent. If he didn’t get hurt I’d probably have him over Campbell.” Another scout said the knee would stop him from choosing him in the first round. “Patellar tendons can be longer than ACL,” he said. “It’s definitely going to drop him. There aren’t many patellar tendons in the offensive line. He’s an outstanding athlete. Lacks some pop and power but he’s got really good feet and bend.” Fourth-year senior redshirted in 2021, started 13 games at right tackle in 2022 and 19 games at left tackle in 2023-’24. “His arm length is (33) and some people don’t like that,” a third scout said. “He can stick-and-stay in space. He has sustain. He can kick out in line. Well-rounded tackle.” Removed from consideration by one team for makeup issues. Another team expressed serious reservations. “Kind of a f-----,” said a fourth scout. “His (issues) are more football character. He has a complete bullshit sense of urgency, like a total finesse player. Mental is an issue. Lacks power, struggles to anchor. Fundamentals are poor. Plays like a guy that was at a JUCO and just came here. Now, he is a natural athlete and a knee bender. He’s got quickness, balance and body control, real light on his feet. He can pull and get to the second level. I did see the athletic positives but the whole football player I wasn’t crazy about.” Hands were 10. Four-star recruit as a guard from San Diego.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oregon OT Josh Conerly v. Penn State Edge Abdul Carter <a href="https://t.co/qrjRj2uX3J">pic.twitter.com/qrjRj2uX3J</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Skinner (@BobbySkinner_) <a href="https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1897665568154456304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 03-26-2025 12:26 PM

Update 3/26

1. Josh Conerly, Jr., OT, Oregon
2. Aireontae Ersery, OT, Minnesota
3. Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
4. Kenneth Grant, DT, Michigan
5. TreVeyon Henderson, RB, Ohio State
6. J.T. Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State
7. Nic Scourton, DE, Texas A&M
8. Azareye'h Thomas, CB, Florida State
9. Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State
10. Carson Schwesinger, LB, UCLA

DJ's left nut 03-26-2025 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18010465)
I like Mykel, I just wish he showed more as a pass rusher. I totally agree that he could fall to us now, and he'd likely be BPA, though.

I wish the fact that he hasn't shown a ton as a pass rusher made us less likely to take him.

It just doesn't. Or at least it hasn't.

Maybe as Jones ages (and we all agree he declined a bit last year, right?) they'll get away from using our DEs like Romeo did when we were 2-gapping. He uses the DEs to occupy blockers and space to free up Jones. Maybe when Jones isn't the game to game force that he was at his peak, we'll get away from that a bit.

But if we're gonna, the time to do it is now. Don't wait until Jones is on fumes -- do it now. Do it when it's starting to look like he has to pick his spots a little more than he did in the past. Do it in a way that ALLOWS him to pick spots and get some breaks now and again.

Don't wait until we've used him up.

DJ's left nut 03-26-2025 01:42 PM

Ah draft season.

One guy: "Mediocre athlete, great kid..."

Other guy: "Fantastic athlete, complete asshole..."

I'll say this, his functional strength really did look pretty poor against Carter even when he was getting the job done. It was angles and momentum he was using. Some of that stuff might have been called a hold. Most of it might not have worked against someone a little stronger. And if he's a starter and they start going right at his chest, that's gonna be a struggle.

He was able to get his angles right and use Carters momentum against him to win more than he lost in that clip but even in a pretty positive film package, you could see the strength is a real issue.

staylor26 03-26-2025 01:43 PM

Updated list and I think this one's final.

kccrow 03-26-2025 01:46 PM

On what planet, besides Chiefs Planet, is Walter Nolen falling out of the top 15?

I'm genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of shit about this and I just can't reconcile that.

To me, he's an even better prospect than Jalen Carter was and he went 9th with character flaws. The only thing that pushes him down a little bit more than maybe Carter is that Mason Graham is going top 5-6.

Nolen isn't making it within any stratosphere of the Chiefs' pick. Bank it.

staylor26 03-26-2025 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18010761)
On what planet, besides Chiefs Planet, is Walter Nolen falling out of the top 15?

I'm genuinely curious. I've seen a lot of shit about this and I just can't reconcile that.

To me, he's an even better prospect than Jalen Carter was and he went 9th with character flaws. The only thing that pushes him down a little bit more than maybe Carter is that Mason Graham is going top 5-6.

Nolen isn't making it within any stratosphere of the Chiefs' pick. Bank it.

He shouldn't, but for whatever reason, all the noise seems to indicate he will.

kccrow 03-26-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18010777)
He shouldn't, but for whatever reason, all the noise seems to indicate he will.

I think the "noise" is 9 parts bullshit and 1 part some semblance of truth. "He's got attitude issues," and "he didn't work out at the combine" does not equate to "he's going to fall to the 2nd round." This is where I agree with Daniel Kelly. Come up with some sort of concrete evidence that he has character flaws, and I'll believe it. Until then, it looks like way too much pre-draft chatter bullshit.

Unless Nolen is actively in a gang or some shit, he's probably not dropping outside of the top 20. I don't even think he'll make it that far. He's too good as a 4-3 3T or a 3-4 5T. He is pure disruption, and his run defense isn't half as bad as is currently made out.

Sometimes, consistently good players get overanalyzed. I'd say Kelvin Banks fits in that demographic as well.

Coochie liquor 03-26-2025 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 18010320)
Elijah Arroyo Miami Hurricanes TE is my darkhorse pick

I’m gonna be ****ing sick is the Donks draft him.

Chris Meck 03-26-2025 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18010824)
I think the "noise" is 9 parts bullshit and 1 part some semblance of truth. "He's got attitude issues," and "he didn't work out at the combine" does not equate to "he's going to fall to the 2nd round." This is where I agree with Daniel Kelly. Come up with some sort of concrete evidence that he has character flaws, and I'll believe it. Until then, it looks like way too much pre-draft chatter bullshit.

Unless Nolen is actively in a gang or some shit, he's probably not dropping outside of the top 20. I don't even think he'll make it that far. He's too good as a 4-3 3T or a 3-4 5T. He is pure disruption, and his run defense isn't half as bad as is currently made out.

Sometimes, consistently good players get overanalyzed. I'd say Kelvin Banks fits in that demographic as well.

Well, I read that he has a BUNCH of overdue library books, as well as some unpaid parking tickets, so...

staylor26 03-26-2025 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18010124)
Who’s the most out of left field, black swan, unexpected 1st round pick you think we could take?

Mine would be RB Henderson.

Jeanty goes in the top 12 to LV, CHI, or DAL, and Hampton to one the those or DEN… leaving Henderson as the potential next up RB on the board.

Bradyn Swinson, EDGE, LSU

https://x.com/billym_91/status/1904942265438437839?s=46

Great tape against top competition. Great pass rush win rate. I think he's very underrated and in that tier of pass rushers.

Not including him in this list because there's not much 1st round buzz, but he'd be on the bubble of my list at worst.

staylor26 03-26-2025 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010411)
I just don't see what's special about Hampton to the point that we'd take him over a slew of other similarly situated prospects at positions of far greater need.

Especially when you look at the RB depth in this class.

I mean there are folks that are in love with the guy and man, I just don't see it. He's fine. Probably gonna be a good player. But he's not a game-breaker. He's not a guy that fundamentally alters how defenses have to play this offense.

He's also not someone that's likely to see a 2nd contract here by virtue of the position he plays.

I mean we've gone from mocking Crow for Gibbs or that other knucklehead for his fascination with Jonathan Taylor to now wanting a guy in Hampton who's not as good a prospect as either of them.

It's odd. I don't get it.

Mostly I hope some team takes him in the top 20. Then everyone gets to be happy. Y'all get to be right because Hampton went high. I get to be happy because we didn't use a 1st rounder on him.

Everyone wins.

I don't have a raging hard on for him or anything. He's just the odds on favorite to be the 2nd RB off the board. I personally think the Chiefs would take Henderson over him, and maybe Judkins too, which is why I added Henderson to the list.

kccrow 03-26-2025 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18011152)
Bradyn Swinson, EDGE, LSU

https://x.com/billym_91/status/1904942265438437839?s=46

Great tape against top competition. Great pass rush win rate. I think he's very underrated and in that tier of pass rushers.

Not including him in this list because there's not much 1st round buzz, but he'd be on the bubble of my list at worst.

Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.

I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too.

SAGA45 03-26-2025 09:58 PM

The beautiful thing about this discussion is it's clear the Chiefs are leaving day-1 with a really good player that will contribute immediately and be an integral part of this dynasty's next phase. I'm super excited to see who they select!

RunKC 03-26-2025 11:05 PM

If the Chiefs feel that Conerly or Simmons is a capably starting LT, then odds are more than likely that one of them will be there and only 2 teams (Packers/Texans) may pick them.

Nolen and Harmon will both be gone. Don’t see how either will be in range for us. The question is this: what is the disparity between Kenneth Grant and a talent like Omar-Norman Lott or Josh Farmer? That’s the difference between 31 and 63.

I do like Scourton, but I do think that we could still get a good DE at 66 or even 95. And of course the they could get a quality RB in rd 2 or 3. Maybe even 4.

Rd 3 and 4 is really strong. Better than many other years IMO. Veach trading Sneed for pick 66 is really gonna help us.

If they really do believe in a LT, the depth and extra resources allows them to take that shot and still build the roster in needed areas.

DJ's left nut 03-27-2025 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18011173)
Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.

I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too.

Yeah, Gillotte was the first name that came to my head.

Very similarly rated prospects. I just see those slotting best in that 50-75 range.

staylor26 03-27-2025 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18011173)
Would have liked to see a lot more alignment at 5 instead of 7-9 is my main complaint. Prove you can win when you have to beat the guy in front of you type of thing.

I think there are too many quality rushers in front of him to get him into anything more than the very back end of the 2nd round. He's not going to top Tuimoloau, Scourton, Sawyer, Jackson, or a similar-ish rusher in Umanmielen. I do think he fits in right behind that group though. I'd put him over Burch, Kennard, Gillotte, Oladejo, etc. I think he has some traits you want to work with but he's going to need some work yet. I'd probably take him at 66, maybe even 63 if all those other dudes are gone but if they are then some other talent fell too.

I'd have Swinson just below Scourton and Tui, but ahead of those other guys like Princely.

RunKC 03-28-2025 01:37 PM

Jim Harbaugh recruited Kenneth Grant and called him a “gift from the football God’s”. He loved the kid.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see Harmon, Nolen and Grant gone before we even have the chance.

Bump 03-28-2025 06:02 PM

I asked Grok AI to predict all of our draft picks. I've been playing around with it lately and it's pretty impressive tbh.

1st: Josh Conerly Jr, OT Oregon
2nd: Derrick Harmon, DT Oregon
3rd: Omarion Hampton, HB North Carolina
3rd: Jalen Royals, WR Utah State
4th: Jordan Burch, EDGE Oregon
7th: Charles Grant, OG William & Mary
7th: Donovan Jackson, OG Ohio State
7th: Gabe Hall, DT Baylor

I doubt we take 3 Oregon players though lol

RunKC 03-29-2025 03:49 PM

I really like Nic Scourton but man this kid is right with him IMO. He’s really damn good and more athletic than people give him credit for.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure why everyone got quiet on JT Tuimoloau.<br>Consistently wins with Power, technique &amp; Instincts. Has great size &amp; length. Can play up or down. Stops the run, can drop in coverage, pass deflection machine. Seems to impact the game in many ways especially in big moments.<br>6.5… <a href="https://t.co/LrznCOu5bu">pic.twitter.com/LrznCOu5bu</a></p>&mdash; The GOAT House (@GoatHouseNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoatHouseNFL/status/1906030627511562252?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 03-29-2025 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18014252)
I really like Nic Scourton but man this kid is right with him IMO. He’s really damn good and more athletic than people give him credit for.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure why everyone got quiet on JT Tuimoloau.<br>Consistently wins with Power, technique &amp; Instincts. Has great size &amp; length. Can play up or down. Stops the run, can drop in coverage, pass deflection machine. Seems to impact the game in many ways especially in big moments.<br>6.5… <a href="https://t.co/LrznCOu5bu">pic.twitter.com/LrznCOu5bu</a></p>&mdash; The GOAT House (@GoatHouseNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoatHouseNFL/status/1906030627511562252?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He's a better prospect than Karlaftis was, IMHO. If we don't go OT, I think he'll be the pick. Maybe Harmon if he falls, but I don't see that either.

DJ's left nut 03-31-2025 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump (Post 18013534)
I asked Grok AI to predict all of our draft picks. I've been playing around with it lately and it's pretty impressive tbh.

1st: Josh Conerly Jr, OT Oregon
2nd: Derrick Harmon, DT Oregon
3rd: Omarion Hampton, HB North Carolina
3rd: Jalen Royals, WR Utah State
4th: Jordan Burch, EDGE Oregon
7th: Charles Grant, OG William & Mary
7th: Donovan Jackson, OG Ohio State
7th: Gabe Hall, DT Baylor

I doubt we take 3 Oregon players though lol

If it thinks Hampton will be there in the 3rd or Grant/Jackson in the 7th, Grok is very very stupid.

Harmon may well not be there for us in the 1st, let alone the 2nd. Burch is likely a late 2, early 3. Royals is probably gone mid-late 2nd, won't make it to the late 3rd.

Hall might last later into the 3rd day but I doubt he makes it to Mr. Irrelevant; feels like a probably 4th/5th rounder to me.

In either event, no -- I wouldn't call that anything resembling impressive.

DJ's left nut 03-31-2025 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18014578)
He's a better prospect than Karlaftis was, IMHO. If we don't go OT, I think he'll be the pick. Maybe Harmon if he falls, but I don't see that either.

Happens with a lot of guys that play on really good college teams.

The draft guys get tired of talking about all these kids from a single school and just overlook one of 'em.

For the most part, the teams don't.

I think that's a 'draft Twitter' issue more than anything.

RunKC 03-31-2025 10:22 AM

I get the Scourton love. I really like him. But man. This kid has been flashing on a great team for years. He did this at 19 years old. Also whipped Ola Fashanu’s ass.

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He’s gonna be really good

staylor26 04-04-2025 08:24 PM

Updated once again.

kcbubb 04-05-2025 11:26 AM

I feel like shemar Stewart is more likely to fall than Mykel? Stewart is interesting to me in that he played at 280-290, supposedly. But he dropped to 265 for the combine and put up crazy numbers. I wonder what size he needs to play at? He’s not a pass rusher at this point but he’s great at run d. Could Shemar play inside like Wharton on passing downs as a DT? And slide out to edge on running downs? Shemar only had like 5 sacks in his whole college career and he doesn’t have many moves. He’s mostly a bully but he gives good effort and works hard. I could see spags falling in love with shemars ability to stop the run. We’d have to be patient for him to develop as a pass rusher but I’m not sure how far he falls with his limited sack production in college.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010421)
This is how I feel about Mykel Williams.

I think it's looking like he could make it to us and I think he's a fantastic fit. I don't think he tested poorly necessarily but he didn't exactly set the place on fire.

In a draft with a lot of shiny objects, he might just be the Karlaftis sort that emerges from it.

And like Karlaftis, I've seen him projected anywhere from a top 10 pick to a 2nd rounder.

I hadn't really considered him at all early in the process but I do think there's a chance he has one of those strange slides where a guy who just looks like a good football player sits at the #2 slot on a BUNCH of draft boards but doesn't sit at #1 when their pick comes up.


kccrow 04-05-2025 11:46 AM

Shemar Stewart can **** right off my draft board. Haven't seen a more overrated player, maybe ever. And he sucks against the run by the way.

RunKC 04-05-2025 12:27 PM

I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy is not a first rd talent. He has everything you want. Size, huge heavy hands, long enough arms, good first step, never on the ground, elite upside as a pass rusher and is really ****ing strong. Can play 5 tech, 4 tech or 3 tech. Even has some bend to play on the edge if needed. Very versatile.

I think I like him more than Grant. The upside here is incredible

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SAGA45 04-05-2025 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18020660)

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Dylan Stewart (#6 for SC) is gonna be a top-10 lock in 2027, assuming he stays healthy and leaves early. Kid was insane as a freshman. Julius Peppers/JaDaveon Clowney level stuff. I almost want Veach to secure an extra 1st and/or 2nd that year just so KC can manuever to get that kid. lol!

duncan_idaho 04-05-2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18020660)
I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy is not a first rd talent. He has everything you want. Size, huge heavy hands, long enough arms, good first step, never on the ground, elite upside as a pass rusher and is really ****ing strong. Can play 5 tech, 4 tech or 3 tech. Even has some bend to play on the edge if needed. Very versatile.

I think I like him more than Grant. The upside here is incredible

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Real smart GMs would draft him...

kcbubb 04-05-2025 04:39 PM

What about Tyrion Dawkins? Could he be a late round replacement for wharton. He could play edge in obvious run spots also.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tyrion...d-5f51e00746c2
https://youtu.be/KEbaKLpCVKc?si=mz69l28F_Gv96sGP

kcbubb 04-05-2025 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020634)
Shemar Stewart can **** right off my draft board. Haven't seen a more overrated player, maybe ever. And he sucks against the run by the way.

I can get mislead when the combine numbers are that crazy.

kccrow 04-05-2025 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18020660)
I cannot for the life of me understand why this guy is not a first rd talent. He has everything you want. Size, huge heavy hands, long enough arms, good first step, never on the ground, elite upside as a pass rusher and is really ****ing strong. Can play 5 tech, 4 tech or 3 tech. Even has some bend to play on the edge if needed. Very versatile.

I think I like him more than Grant. The upside here is incredible

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Love Sanders but he might be a 3T in our scheme. I don't know if he can hold up every down as the 1. Maybe though, he played it a lot in college.

kccrow 04-05-2025 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 18020846)
I can get mislead when the combine numbers are that crazy.

I like Shemar Turner a bit though.

kcbubb 04-05-2025 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020850)
I like Shemar Turner a bit though.

It’s seems like there are a few freak DTs that could be available late. What late round DTs do you like? Or even edge guys that might be available 4th round and on for us?

kccrow 04-05-2025 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 18020855)
It’s seems like there are a few freak DTs that could be available late. What late round DTs do you like? Or even edge guys that might be available 4th round and on for us?

4th round... I'd say Vernon Broughton (Texas), Ty Hamilton (Ohio State), Elijah Roberts (SMU), and Sai'Vion Jones (LSU). Then I'm gonna give you all a sleeper I've heard not a soul around talk about...

Davin Vann, N.C. State.

He only played at about 6'2" 280 but man what a first step and just pure explosion and disruption. He played DE in their 3-3-5. He's not really long enough to play DE in the NFL but I thought I seen measurements of a 4.79 40 and 33" vertical, so he can fill out his frame more and filter in as a sub-package rush DT.

He's #1 in the below highlight:

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smithandrew051 04-05-2025 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020885)
4th round... I'd say Vernon Broughton (Texas), Ty Hamilton (Ohio State), Elijah Roberts (SMU), and Sai'Vion Jones (LSU). Then I'm gonna give you all a sleeper I've heard not a soul around talk about...

Davin Vann, N.C. State.

He only played at about 6'2" 280 but man what a first step and just pure explosion and disruption. He played DE in their 3-3-5. He's not really long enough to play DE in the NFL but I thought I seen measurements of a 4.79 40 and 33" vertical, so he can fill out his frame more and filter in as a sub-package rush DT.

He's #1 in the below highlight:

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Kinda sounds like a Tershawn Wharton from your description

kcbubb 04-05-2025 05:56 PM

Van looks like he’s got potential. I could see him taking that Wharton role. I had a hard time finding him. He wasn’t on a few sites. 58th ranked dl on nfl draft buzz. How do you find these guys? What’s your best late round pick in the past? And your biggest miss?

kccrow 04-05-2025 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 18020913)
Van looks like he’s got potential. I could see him taking that Wharton role. I had a hard time finding him. He wasn’t on a few sites. 58th ranked dl on nfl draft buzz. How do you find these guys? What’s your best late round pick in the past? And your biggest miss?

You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.

kccrow 04-05-2025 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18020893)
Kinda sounds like a Tershawn Wharton from your description

Way better prospect coming in though. I don't know how Vann gets zero buzz, honestly. His stats at N.C. State is better than most of the guys getting 1st round talk. All I can think of is that he's a tweener. It's not like he didn't play at a high level at a Power 5 school...

kcbubb 04-05-2025 06:49 PM

That’s the fun part about this. It’s really hard to guess who will be good. You’re showing age there with some of those picks! You’ve been watching the draft as long as Mel Kiper?

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020933)
You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.


kozzman555 04-06-2025 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020933)
You want to see some fun history, go visit this thread for the Alternate Reality game where we draft our own guys.

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=204569

I'd say Tevin Jenkins and Ross Blacklock were my biggest misses. Zach Sieler is my biggest late hit. Had some others like Christian Benford, Dante Stills, Rasheed Walker, Bradley Bozeman, and Isaiah McDuffie. Had some nice mid-round hits with Matt Judon and Aaron Jones.

In terms of who I've pounded for here in the draft forum, **** if I remember them all haha. I'm sure I've hit as much as I haven't. I know my "what I want" drafts haven't been all that and a bag of chips at times, but by that point I've talked up plenty of guys that hit and plenty that flat-out turned into dogshit. Wide receiver is easily the most difficult evaluation.

Just remember we are only seeing part of the picture when we do our evaluations. We only see the tape and the measurements. We don't know how hard or if they practice. We don't know their work ethic, we don't know their intelligence, we don't know their personalities. All of those are just as important to success, maybe even more so, than what we see on tape. So for you to have as many hits as you do, without being able to see the whole picture is impressive. If you had all of the data and interviews and could see everything the teams get to see, I feel like your success rate would be pretty high up there.

JPH83 04-06-2025 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18020945)
Way better prospect coming in though. I don't know how Vann gets zero buzz, honestly. His stats at N.C. State is better than most of the guys getting 1st round talk. All I can think of is that he's a tweener. It's not like he didn't play at a high level at a Power 5 school...

I'm not exactly clued up but man i've not heard a thing anywhere on this guy, that's a great spot kccrow! That get off looks legit.

RunKC 04-07-2025 10:36 AM

Shemar Stewart scares the hell out of me. I don’t want him.

Sure he’s great in the underwear Olympics but 1.5 sacks every year in college? The guy had Shemar Turner and Walter Nolen next to him for a year and then Shemar Turner and Nic Scourton, who had 10 sacks at Purdue the year prior.

Idk man.

RunKC 04-08-2025 10:47 AM

FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

smithandrew051 04-08-2025 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18023817)
FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

Bring him to KC.

He’ll shower with Chris Jones and get humbled real quick.

staylor26 04-08-2025 12:05 PM

Yea, that just reeks of the Chiefs getting a player everybody inevitably regrets passing on. Bring me Nolen.

kccrow 04-08-2025 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18023817)
FWIW the character concerns with Walter Nolen are starting to amplify, which is probably why the big players in mock drafts all have him out of the first rd entirely.

Apparently he’s a cocky little prick who doesn’t care about run defense and has an extremely entitled attitude.

Going to so many different schools in HS and college doesn’t help. The scouts take calling him a mercenary seem like consensus.

This is where you know some people are full of shit entirely. His run defense is really quite good. If he didn't give a shit about it, he'd be more like Shemar Stewart against the run.

I bet there are some character flags there regarding maturity and entitlement but some of this goes way too far into the BS category at this point.

I find it difficult to believe he's going to completely fall out of round 1 for it given the bullshit teams have drafted in the past, and in the top 10 at that. This is a player that should probably go #3 to New York. All it takes is one team to think he'll be fine in their culture and he's coming off the board very early.

There was a ton of chatter about the same with Jermaine Johnson and he was a far less talented prospect. Still ended up going in round 1 at #26.

kccrow 04-08-2025 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18023928)
Yea, that just reeks of the Chiefs getting a player everybody inevitably regrets passing on. Bring me Nolen.

Yeah, if he's sitting there at 31, just run the ****ing card in.

kccrow 04-08-2025 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17997054)
Mykel Williams just ran a 4.76 40 at 267 lbs. He’ll definitely go in the teens or early 20’s at worst. Currently Daniel Jeremiah’s 20th ranked player.

So what do we have here?

Abdul Carter
Mason Graham
Jalon Walker
Mykel Williams
Mike Green
James Pearce

That’s 6 DL alone. Feels like one of Harmon or Nolen will be there in the mid 20’s and it will be the perfect opportunity for Veach to own Buffalo again by trading in fromt of them for his guy.

I like Nic Scourton, but I feel like he’s secondary to those guys bc of the value they can provide as interior rushers. Harmon and Nolen have legit high ceiling potential.

Idk. Feels like Veach is gonna want to pounce on one of those guys falling. Really good class but Harmon and Nolen are clearly a level above the rest.

Mykel is #15 on a couple of other routinely accurate boards. I don't see him going later than 19 to Tampa. He's not even a consideration of mine. Would love it, but it's just not realistic.

kccrow 04-08-2025 12:39 PM

Two "would you" guys in Round 1 to chew on...

TE Mason Taylor, LSU... Yeah, I've been hard on the "we don't need this" train but damn this kid is talented. Probably going in the top 40-42 picks. I know he's had private meetings with the Browns (33), Saints (40), Dolphins (48), and Broncos (51).

LB Carson Schwesinger, UCLA... LB never feels like great positional value in round 1, kind of like RB, but this kid is pretty damned good. Has met with a slew of teams, but notably, Baltimore is on the list. He's routinely slotted in the top 45.

kcbubb 04-08-2025 05:32 PM

I saw Jason Taylor talk about his son, Mason, at the senior bowl and he will have a productive 10 year career at TE in the league. The way Jason talked about Mason was a big deal to me. I’d rather have him in the 2nd but you might be right. He’s definitely gone before the 50th pick, IMO.

Bump 04-08-2025 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18015551)
If it thinks Hampton will be there in the 3rd or Grant/Jackson in the 7th, Grok is very very stupid.

Harmon may well not be there for us in the 1st, let alone the 2nd. Burch is likely a late 2, early 3. Royals is probably gone mid-late 2nd, won't make it to the late 3rd.

Hall might last later into the 3rd day but I doubt he makes it to Mr. Irrelevant; feels like a probably 4th/5th rounder to me.

In either event, no -- I wouldn't call that anything resembling impressive.

ya that seems too good to be true. AI needs some more work on it's NFL mock drafts.

RunKC 04-08-2025 07:41 PM

Not seeing an edge being taken guys. I don’t think Mykel Williams will be there, Stewart probably not as well (thankfully) and Tuimoloau is generally thought of as a mid 2nd and Scourton is good but probably won’t be BPA. In fact I’ve seen very few mocks with him as a first.

It feels like the top 4 or 5 DE’s will all be gone by the time we pick. That’s fine bc the depth in this class is insane

DJ's left nut 04-08-2025 11:10 PM

I don't think I'd go this route, but if Starks is there, it's an interesting philosophical conversation.

Long-term, are we interested in building our defense through the back instead of the line? Because in Starks you have a guy who you take because you're projecting him to by Kyle Hamilton someday.

If you can have a secondary built around Trent McDuffie and a Kyle Hamilton sort of safety over the next 6 years or so...well its an interesting thought.

Not sure I'd do it. But I'd consider it.

JPH83 04-09-2025 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024472)
I don't think I'd go this route, but if Starks is there, it's an interesting philosophical conversation.

Long-term, are we interested in building our defense through the back instead of the line? Because in Starks you have a guy who you take because you're projecting him to by Kyle Hamilton someday.

If you can have a secondary built around Trent McDuffie and a Kyle Hamilton sort of safety over the next 6 years or so...well its an interesting thought.

Not sure I'd do it. But I'd consider it.

I think the pivot to the run game, and the depth and quality of DL options makes it hard to not go that route. But like you I wouldn't mind.

This really feels like an excellent draft to go BPA and work back from there. If that's Starks, so be it.

Chargem 04-09-2025 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18024472)
I don't think I'd go this route, but if Starks is there, it's an interesting philosophical conversation.

Long-term, are we interested in building our defense through the back instead of the line? Because in Starks you have a guy who you take because you're projecting him to by Kyle Hamilton someday.

If you can have a secondary built around Trent McDuffie and a Kyle Hamilton sort of safety over the next 6 years or so...well its an interesting thought.

Not sure I'd do it. But I'd consider it.

I think I would do it, if you really felt he could be a Hamilton level talent. But at the same time, you can get good safeties on the open market instead of drafting with premium picks.

kccrow 04-09-2025 03:00 PM

My update 4/9

TreVeyon Henderson, RB, Ohio State

Mason Taylor, TE, LSU

Josh Conerly, Jr., OT, Oregon
Kelvin Banks, Jr., OT, Texas
Aireontae Ersery, OT, Minnesota

Walter Nolen, DT, Ole Miss
Kenneth Grant, DT, Michigan
Tyleik Williams, DT, Ohio State

J.T. Tuimoloau, DE, Ohio State

Trey Amos, CB, Ole Miss

RunKC 04-09-2025 03:41 PM

Just for fun: Cleveland loves Dart. He’s available at 31 and we get a call. What would it take to move down?

They have these picks:

Round 1: No. 2

Round 2: No. 33

Round 3: No. 67

Round 3: No. 94

Round 4: No. 104

Round 6: No. 179

Round 6: No. 192

Round 6: No. 200

Round 6: No. 216

Round 7: No. 255

Trade chart says only 20 pts separates 31 to 33. Bills got a 5th last year moving from 32 to 33.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin Stefanski went and saw Dart throw in person at Ole Miss as well already. The Browns very well could go Carter or Hunter with #2 overall and grab their QB at the top of the second or by trading into the backend of the first. They&#39;re doing their work. <a href="https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv">https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1909742928576004419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 04-09-2025 03:51 PM

Cleveland doesn't have a 5th round pick either. The chart values say their high 6th and their low 6th (179 and 216). At that point, I'd probably ask for a future 4th, which would rob them of a little bit of value but be a much better get for us than 6th round.

It really depends on how the board shakes. If we move down, Philly could let someone in front of us so you'd have to have a couple of guys you really like sitting there and be willing to lose out on either because you aren't really gaining a whole lot.

TomBarndtsTwin 04-10-2025 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18025306)
Just for fun: Cleveland loves Dart. He’s available at 31 and we get a call. What would it take to move down?

They have these picks:

Round 1: No. 2

Round 2: No. 33

Round 3: No. 67

Round 3: No. 94

Round 4: No. 104

Round 6: No. 179

Round 6: No. 192

Round 6: No. 200

Round 6: No. 216

Round 7: No. 255

Trade chart says only 20 pts separates 31 to 33. Bills got a 5th last year moving from 32 to 33.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kevin Stefanski went and saw Dart throw in person at Ole Miss as well already. The Browns very well could go Carter or Hunter with #2 overall and grab their QB at the top of the second or by trading into the backend of the first. They&#39;re doing their work. <a href="https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv">https://t.co/bDO9gyw8Rv</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1909742928576004419?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At that point you're weighing the 5th year option (which is valuable) against a late round pick.

Is it worth a 5th, 6th or two 6th's? Probably not.

A 4th, specifically Cleveland's 4th at 104? Yeah, I'm interested at that point.


But again, depending on who you were targeting and wanting to draft at 31, do you risk losing them moving down 2 spots and also the value of having that 5th year option is something to strongly consider.

I'd probably just take my guy at 31, but that's just me.

Urc Burry 04-10-2025 08:14 AM

The couple times I’ve messed with the espn sim James Pearce Jr has been sitting there.

Is that a run to the podium pick, or is he not a fit?

I feel like his skill set has been missing, and the trade for Uche was hoping to bring that in.

I know the dudes only available because of some red flags. But I feel that’s a risk worth taking

DJ's left nut 04-10-2025 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 18025800)
The couple times I’ve messed with the espn sim James Pearce Jr has been sitting there.

Is that a run to the podium pick, or is he not a fit?

I feel like his skill set has been missing, and the trade for Uche was hoping to bring that in.

I know the dudes only available because of some red flags. But I feel that’s a risk worth taking

I really like Pearce but I think the Chiefs would pass on him.

The major issue is absolutely fit -- he's just not as sturdy as Spags likes and we're not going to put him out there as a standup backer or anything.

He's essentially a supercharged Uche and we had ZERO use for Uche. Didn't even bother trying to integrate the skill-set. I can't see them using a 1st round pick on a guy like that so quickly after very clearly and loudly signaling they aren't terribly interesting in actually using them.

And of course, the character issues seem to be a real concern.

But ultimately, as much as I like Pearce, fit is going to be a massive issue for him. And ultimately that's why he'll slide more than the character issues, IMO. I've said it for years but it's scheme versatility (or lack thereof) that creates unexpected draft slides. If you're a guy who really only fits in a specific type of defense, your pool of possible teams might only be 10 squads. And if that's the case and you're 2nd on their board, you're just gonna keep sliding.

Combine that with the fact that some of those teams may have him off their board due to character concerns and you could see a pretty massive fall.

Or he could go 8th to some team that thinks he's gonna be Parsons 2.0.

Urc Burry 04-10-2025 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18025831)
I really like Pearce but I think the Chiefs would pass on him.

The major issue is absolutely fit -- he's just not as sturdy as Spags likes and we're not going to put him out there as a standup backer or anything.

He's essentially a supercharged Uche and we had ZERO use for Uche. Didn't even bother trying to integrate the skill-set. I can't see them using a 1st round pick on a guy like that so quickly after very clearly and loudly signaling they aren't terribly interesting in actually using them.

And of course, the character issues seem to be a real concern.

But ultimately, as much as I like Pearce, fit is going to be a massive issue for him. And ultimately that's why he'll slide more than the character issues, IMO. I've said it for years but it's scheme versatility (or lack thereof) that creates unexpected draft slides. If you're a guy who really only fits in a specific type of defense, your pool of possible teams might only be 10 squads. And if that's the case and you're 2nd on their board, you're just gonna keep sliding.

Combine that with the fact that some of those teams may have him off their board due to character concerns and you could see a pretty massive fall.

Or he could go 8th to some team that thinks he's gonna be Parsons 2.0.

Appreciate the insight. Outside of the DT and RB’s I’ve been pretty checked out this draft szn.

I’d still definitely be all for it. But I get where you’re coming from. Like the BJ Thompson pick as well. I think Spags/Veach like the idea of that skill set, but when reality comes its never worked out.

I’m just going to be so mad if we pass on him, and the Eagles pick him. I can already see it coming.

DJ's left nut 04-10-2025 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urc Burry (Post 18025857)
Appreciate the insight. Outside of the DT and RB’s I’ve been pretty checked out this draft szn.

I’d still definitely be all for it. But I get where you’re coming from. Like the BJ Thompson pick as well. I think Spags/Veach like the idea of that skill set, but when reality comes its never worked out.

I’m just going to be so mad if we pass on him, and the Eagles pick him. I can already see it coming.

Yeah - that seems real possible.

I hope he goes before us.

Because Nolan Smith and James Pearce screaming off the edges with Jalen Carter coming up the chute doesn't sound like much fun to me.

SAGA45 04-10-2025 06:58 PM

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Tribal Warfare 04-10-2025 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45 (Post 18026498)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� UPDATE ��<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have scheduled a Top 30 Visit with Ohio State OT Josh Simmons.<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamSchefter</a>. <a href="https://t.co/S4Newz7kfN">pic.twitter.com/S4Newz7kfN</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1910483818651267434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OL prospect Josh Simmons will do whatever it takes to protect his QB ��<br><br>��: 2025 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NFLDraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NFLDraft</a> – April 24-26 on NFLN/ESPN/ABC<br>��: Stream on <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLPlus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLPlus</a> <a href="https://t.co/doB0UjSDyW">pic.twitter.com/doB0UjSDyW</a></p>&mdash; NFL (@NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1910422533591154996?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Simmons is following Mahomes & Chiefs Instagram account, and has been since Super Bowl week. I keep checking if that's changed or if he's following other NFL QBs and team accounts and it hasn't. Simmons is ONLY following Patrick & the Chiefs said accounts.

saphojunkie 04-11-2025 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18010742)
Ah draft season.

One guy: "Mediocre athlete, great kid..."

Other guy: "Fantastic athlete, complete asshole..."

I'll say this, his functional strength really did look pretty poor against Carter even when he was getting the job done. It was angles and momentum he was using. Some of that stuff might have been called a hold. Most of it might not have worked against someone a little stronger. And if he's a starter and they start going right at his chest, that's gonna be a struggle.

He was able to get his angles right and use Carters momentum against him to win more than he lost in that clip but even in a pretty positive film package, you could see the strength is a real issue.

I'm please to see I wasn't the only one with this takeaway. He also got smoked on some inside moves while looking great pushing him upfield to the outside. Tells me he isn't stout and has to commit to one direction to succeed. Big red flag for me.

JPH83 04-11-2025 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18025876)
Yeah - that seems real possible.

I hope he goes before us.

Because Nolan Smith and James Pearce screaming off the edges with Jalen Carter coming up the chute doesn't sound like much fun to me.

Last year everyone was convinced Nolan Smith was too small to hold up against the run, and that he had an inflated draft grade due to being on a dominant Georgia line. They were wrong.

Not much we could do about the Eagles picking one earlier than us with Smith. But if we let Pearce go to them I'd be incredibly pissed.

He's not as strong as Smith, so the concerns this time might be more legit. But he's got the frame to build out, and if Spags really can't find a substantial role for a guy like that, that's his failure imo.

RunKC 04-14-2025 10:07 AM

Verderame’s top 5 and it’s honestly pretty close to mine:

1. Walter Nolan
2. Derrick Harmon
3. Luther Burden
4. Omarion Hampton
5. Kenneth Grant

Bump 04-14-2025 08:30 PM

10 more days for the damn draft! I'm feeling good about this draft class

could be one of those drafts where having an extra 3rd is kind of a big deal

RunKC 04-14-2025 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17996513)
“The Minnesota Vikings have traded pick 24 and 97 to the Kansas City Chiefs for pick 31 and 66. With the 24th pick in the NFL Draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Derrick Harmon DT Oregon.”

Yup. We will all cum in unison

^^^ from March 11th fellas. It’s coming

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨 UPDATE 🚨<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> are a team to look out for in a potential trade up with the Minnesota Vikings.<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/alec_lewis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Alec_Lewis</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNFL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthleticNFL</a>. <a href="https://t.co/FWdqBqoJEf">pic.twitter.com/FWdqBqoJEf</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1911951321306915221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 15, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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smithandrew051 04-14-2025 09:09 PM

Bills Fan knows it’s about to happen again

staylor26 04-23-2025 02:55 PM

Final list.

duncan_idaho 04-24-2025 07:02 AM

Like it, staylor. Me:

QB: None
RB: None
WR: Emeka Egbuka, Luther Burden
TE: Colston Loveland
LT: Josh Conerly, Jr.
G: None (I am not a ****ing moron)
C: None (I am not a ****ing moron)
DE: Nic Scourton, JT Tuimolau, Jordan Burch
DT: Walter Nolen, Derrick Harmon
LB: None
CB: Trey Amos, Shavon Revel, Azareyah Thomas
S: None


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