I'd guess they view those two as tackles and not G's....I dunno.

Veach has said that LT is one of the priorities this Off Season AND that they like Suamataias potential inside. Unless you just refuse to take his words at face value, the path forward for Kingsley is already apparent.

Hopefully tag and trade

If they can swindle the Bears out of 41 or even 72 that'd be swell.

Hard to say with Wiley, but I know a lot of guys here liked him in the draft.

FAU has flashed a few times. Dee Ford (for all his faults) became a double digit sack guy in year 3. FAU needs a similar step forward.

I feel like Veach's comments about Kingsley makes it pretty clear that he's the LG starting in 2026.

EDIT: Sassy beat me to it.

Bears 39

Tagging Trey says otherwise, because you want your best players on the field evidently that's not Kingsley at OG and Nourzad was drafted specifically for the IOL and did damn good job at Center against the Broncos starters.

Uh, like, WTF?

With the needs we have, THIS IS ****ING STUPID!

Paying him OT $$ to play guard with our many issues? SMDH

( obligatory ) oh, can he play LT?

The only thing that makes sense.Some team that actually has enough money to go ahead and pay OT money for a guard.

Hopefully not. Trey is an all pro OG.

Veach is no longer as transparent as he once was. He now does the GM version of coach speak. It's really hard to get much from what he says these days.

When did I say use an early pick? IOL, ILB, RB are the types of positions you can actually find quality players later in the draft. Unlike high skill positions you can settle for above average even if not dominant. Flood the team with lots and lots of value options and find guys who can stick. If we do that we can focus our dollars and blue chip picks on the high positional value spots.

I doubt they have a deal. I would guess his agent probably indicated they wanted to test the market. This prevents them from doing that and if Smith wants long term security the Chiefs are the only game in town or on the flip side the Chiefs might be betting that there are a number of teams with a ton of cap room, OL problems and not enough FA's to sign. So maybe get a 3rd/4th pick back.

But I doubt they have a partner and I doubt they have a deal, this is Veech rolling the dice and making a educated bet.

He's never been an All Pro guard.

He made the Pro Bowl for his first time this year.

100% Our o line got spanked in the Super Bowl and it wasn't all because of our left tackle.

So until they reach a long term deal or trade him… Trey Smith will count like $23 million against the Chiefs salary cap.

And they will be addressing LT how exactly?

You guys are ****ing insane right now.

This interior OL has been part of damn near the entire run so far and won two Super Bowls. They are not the issue with the OL.

It's LT, the impact it had on Mahomes' mental, and the lack of an explosive run game last year. And no, this doesn't mean they can't adequately fix LT too. Whatever they want, it's still in play.

Feels like a tag and trade (See: LJS), but I could certainly be wrong here.

But can the Chiefs significantly invest/upgrade LT, while paying a premium at every other position on the offensive line, or is that salary cap prohibitive?

Even before this Trey Smith franchise tag hit, the Chiefs already had more of their salary cap invested in guards, than any other team in the league.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Offensive Guard 2024 Salary Cap% (SpotRac):<br><br>Chiefs: 11.89%<br><br>Eagles: 3.12%<br><br>Lions: 3.38%<br><br>Bills: 1.45%<br><br>Texans: 4%<br><br>Vikings: 1.39%<br><br>Commanders: 3.32%<br><br>Ravens: 2.95%<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bears?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bears</a> % in 2025 if they sign Kevin Zeitler and Trey Smith to their projected contracts (PFF):<br><br>~9.57%</p>&mdash; Michael Totosz (@MichaelTotosz) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelTotosz/status/1894107280699756968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I would agree LT was the issue for most of the season and was still an issue in the playoffs at times, but the interior O-Line absolutely got worked in the SB by Philly's front four. Badly.

Now maybe the Chiefs are considering that performance a 'one off' and assuming the only thing that really needs 'fixed' is LT. But I'm not sure how they expect to do that if they're tying up $23 mil. in Trey.

So, naturally, that leads us back to one of two things:

1. They are almost in agreement on a long term deal and need to dot the i's and cross the T's

OR

2. They are working on a trade for Trey and hoping like hell to get it done before FA opens on March 12th.

And one of those guards will be replaced by a guy on a rookie deal next year.

Jesus Christ, 7 straight AFCCG's, 5 SB's and 3 Lombardis and some of you think we have a window licking mouthbreather for a GM.

It's not even March yet. Dude has a plan, let's see it play out.

I hope so, because Smith can't pass block for shit.

I mean... we've seen this dance before. Either they sign him to a long term deal that brings down his number OR they sign and trade him.

I think with all the smoke about optimism over a long term deal this is a way to buy some time to hammer that out.

We'll see.

Terrible cap allocation.

Exactly. Like I said, it's just one piece of the puzzle. People need to relax.

26 pressures and no sacks tells a COMPLETELY different story.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/trey-smith/62960

This tells me Thuney is retiring soon.

How do the Chiefs have the cash for this? Nate Taylor says the Chiefs have intentions to sign him to a long term deal. Do they not believe in Kingsley or Morris? Are they basically wasted draft picks right now?

We still need a LT ASAP, and Veach said LT was priority #1 in his pressers yesterday, yet they do this while having no money. Head scratcher.

the deadline isn't until tuesday - this could all just be a negotiation ploy too - getting info out there...

A better plan than last year hopefully when every LT the Chiefs drafted/signed was unplayable in the entirety of the postseason.

This isn't super honest, Thuney is on his last year so his hit is 27 mill, odds he plays on that is low.

Let's be real here too, if they did trade Trey, we're getting a 4 back at best. Which is equivalent to the comp 3rd next year you might get.

So yeah.... they're planning to lock him in long term I gotta believe. Excited to find out the complementary plan.

Money isn't a concern until March 12 when the new league year starts.

Between now and then there are sure to be restructures freeing up space. Mahomes and Chris Jones are both probable candidates.

Also, any long term deal with Trey is almost guaranteed to be a low cap hit this year and backloaded to coincide with Thuney and Jawaan being off the books.

Kingsley is likely Thuney's replacement in 2026, IMO. Wouldn't be shocked to see Morris at RT as well. He's always looked better on the right side.

Playing Kingsley at LG week 18 and not RG makes all the more sense now...

I don't get all the consternation over signing Smith. It seems like a stray man argument that it's either sign Smith OR sign an LT. If they want him, they can find the money for the likes of Staley.

Another tag/trade idea.

Phins have a LT to take over for Armstead but they really need a guard.

What about a Smith for Armstead trade?

Right.

Because all along we thought they'd let Smith go in favor of signing Joe to an extension. So all along people were planning to pay this money to a guard.

Now that Joe is potentially not planning to play long...

Good for 104th ranking. 40.8 playoff pass blocking grade. 25th of 34.

Just awful.

Even worse if they tagged to plan on paying him a long term deal.

What the **** are we doing paying three interior lineman massive contracts.

I can't even really think of doing something dumber except blowing your load on a RB...and at least in that situation there is only one and they are even cheaper.

BWillie is the real genius and it's really Veach that's been the reerun the entire time!

This almost guarantees Thuney gone soon.

The guy is 33 and there were rumors he was retiring last year. I wouldn't even be 100% sure he's going to be back this year, more or less the year after. He's also getting to the age where you have to wonder if his body starts to break down. He had a significant injury just last year too.

Cross-post from the other thread, but:

Rickey is back, for those who know.



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Long-term deal is coming. 4 years/$23m per year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/YETICoolers?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YETICoolers</a> <a href="https://t.co/0qYgZnK63r">https://t.co/0qYgZnK63r</a></p>&mdash; Slick Rick (@SlickRickScoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/SlickRickScoops/status/1895194276608516580?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You think Thuney is gonna walk away from 26 million dollars?

Where is the report that Thuney is thinking about retiring? I haven't seen it. I just assumed like most they'd extend and move his number down.

I doubt it. I'm pretty sure he'll be back. I just said I wouldn't be 100% sure. Is that ok?

It was a rumor last year after the SB and his injury.

If they cut or trade Thuney it makes alot more sense.

Trey a teenage love for Veach

If our plan is to draft or trade for an RB, fire Nagy with a run first guy and play more under center then it makes sense.

Why does paying huge contracts to your 3 interior lineman in this system make any sense at all - especially with what you have at tackle. Use that money to find a ****in tackle.

Thank. Okay, so this is all hearsay.

Brett Veach is by far the most overrated GM in the business.

Jawaan Taylor - Overpaid and long term contract. Mistake signing, no different than Frank Clark, Sammy Watkins, MVS, etc. Performed below expectations year over year.

Creed Humphrey - Massive overpay, far above and beyond any center in the NFL. A true difference maker, all-pro calibre talent James Cook was *asking* for 15 mil a year. This RB is unbelievable, yet Creed makes way more than James Cook is even asking for.

Joe Thuney - Huge contract. Paid very handsomely year in and out, probably above mkt value.

Trey Smith - Massive overpay for a player that keeps regressing year in and out.

LT - Just tries throwing band aid after band aid that anyone can see is grasping at straws.

To make matters worse, this IS the KC Chiefs Oline that got obliterated in the Super Bowl and struggled throughout the season(s).

He overpaid Noah Gray and others. And overpaid on star players Kelce and Jones. And misses on a lot of early round draft picks, to say the least. He also lets players like Willie Gay go for very cheap, when we had a clear need for his speed and athleticism at LB.

You are by far the dumbest ****ing poster on CP.

He doesn't have to walk away this spring for the deal to make sense.

If he simply plans to walk away after 2025, that alone explains why they're feeling more urgency about keeping the bird in-hand.

Joe Thuney might be the best FA signing in the history of the ****ing team, and this dude is over here listing it like it's a negative.

We overpaid for Noah Gray? LMAO

Not a single person with a clue is questioning that contract after the season he just had.

We overpaid Kelce and Jones too?

What a ****ing reerun.

that basically cuts his agent off at the knees...its us or its us unless some picks come our way

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Might as well complain that we overpaid Mahomes too after the season/SB he just had!

96 posts is about 96 too many

EVERY ****ing year we go through this shit.

People lose their minds without even having a complete dataset.

Until he signs long term and we know how the contract is structured, it's pretty silly to bitch about it.

Especially when we don't know what the REST of the plan is.

Fully agree. Not what I wanted or expected, but they get the benefit of the doubt for now.

Is that Dix Lix? I think he created a few "Chief fan" alts to troll us.

drafting defense after this I suppose

Veach made it very clear the strength of this class was defense. It's going to be D heavy.

That's what Veach seemed to be pointing to.

Yeah but now we - GASP - lost a Super Bowl so these clowns think they have a leg to stand on by endlessly bitching without seeing the full plan.

23 mil. APY for any Guard, I don’t care who it is, is nuts….

…and I really like Trey.

I know the cap hits won’t be that but damn.

Pay a tackle? Wow why didn’t the Chiefs think of this?

Surely there must be so many good tackles on the market to pay.

Great suggestion BWillie!

Can he play LT?

Same OL sans LT just got more expensive

Good point. We have the same porous OL from last season, but far more expensive. Yay!

****ing guy!!!!!

Thank you!!👍

This is the gayest thing I've ever seen, and I've raped a man.

DJ Humphries is supposedly going to magically turn into a playable/competent LT this offseason.

Apparently.

Don't get it. Folks are convinced the only reason we didn't shift him in was because he rushed back too quick and got reinjured and yet he was healthy enough to play in a meaningless week 18 game. He wasn't playing in the post season because Thuney was the better option for Reid. Hell, Reid was ready to plug in Suamataia over him. That should speak volumes.

Lol

Creed Humphrey signed after his worst season last year. Was fine this season. Interesting(probably to only me)