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I might - might - look at Cameron Williams at the back of 2. Honestly he feels like a 3rd rounder to me. That would be just hilariously terrible. Then again, he also has Donovan Jackson going to the Lions. Mostly this dude's just been spending the off-season talking himself into fringy OL prospects in a mediocre OL draft and pushing them up the board. I mean c'mon - Grey Zabel at 14? Guy's just got tunnel vision. |
Sport Illustrated has us taking RB Henderson at #31 and I’m starting to believe more and more that it’s a possibility.
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I'd take that 10/10 over Cam Williams lol
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Hard pass on another Trezelle Jenkins-ian first round pick. Any of the listed skipped players would be a better pick at 31, forcryinoutloud.
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Henderson at 31 is definitely a possibility that isn't talked about enough.
The fact that he came come in and play right away, because the Chiefs won't have to be concerned about pass pro (like CEH), makes me think it's a decent possibility. He's a perfect fit, and they might just have a raging hard on for him. |
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MJD also says the Chiefs take Jahdae Barron, passing on Nolen and Connerly among others. Even Crazier, the Eagles pass on Nolen, too. |
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Nolen could very easily be the surprising slide this season. He could also go top 15. It's probably the hardest position on the board to predict in any given season. |
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MJD looks like he went the route of teams drafting certain guys due to their free agency losses. It's not a BAD way of looking at what a team might do, but it just seems lazy when you take a look at the talent on the board when some of these teams pick. For example - are we really going to leave all of Conerly, Nolen, Burden, or Harmon on the board to take Barron? Maybe, and I know guys like him, but damn that feels like a stretch to me.
On a side note, I don't think the Broncos let Loveland get past them if he's there. I don't like that MJD sent him to the Chargers either, even if it makes total sense Harbaugh would take one of his superstar players. Colston Loveland to Denver seems like a no-brainer considering their offensive play and Bo Nix's ascension last season. |
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I mean the potential for catastrophe there is just enormous. Let's presume that both guys have equal floors and equal ceilings (a fair presumption, IMO) -- if both guys hit their ceiling, isn't Warren going to be FAR more impactful? And if both guys are nothing but their floors, isn't a solid pass-catching TE going to be more useful than a solid hybrid sort of safety? Maybe that's just a too "Maddenish" way of looking at things, but I just couldn't talk myself into taking Starks that high if Warren is still there. That said - I wholeheartedly endorse this draft. If Jahdae Barron slides to 31, I'd be friggen stoked to get him. And honestly, I just don't see it happening because if he IS there around 24, Veach will move up. That's just too good a fit in terms of talent/fit. I just don't see any way that happens. |
Im starting to see Grey Zabels name mentioned by some going to the Chiefs
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High floor, low ceiling, IMO. Gonna be an NFL starter, probably for while. Just don't know that he truly moves the needle much. |
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Not sure if anyone has access, but here’s a link to Kipers latest mock.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My guy <a href="https://twitter.com/MelKiperESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MelKiperESPN</a> has dropped his final mock draft. A two-rounder for the people: <a href="https://t.co/qJY3kXI7ey">https://t.co/qJY3kXI7ey</a></p>— Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1909576831080014050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Kiper’s new mock
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This might be a “friend who’s too woke” type take but an actual major site and app like Sleeper taking Kiper’s paywall content and using it themselves for their own interactions doesn’t sit right with me… <a href="https://t.co/6Tg9qeUjWR">https://t.co/6Tg9qeUjWR</a></p>— Carter Donnick (@CDonnick1) <a href="https://twitter.com/CDonnick1/status/1909609007636951323?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 8, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
I like the Kaleb Johnson pick.
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lol... Kiper calling Tuimoloau his No 2 DE, yet putting him at 49 in the 2nd round. Umm... something doesn't compute, Mel.
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That Kiper mock is gross. I’d be so sad and nervous about.
Johnson is going to suck in the nfl and data says Simmons odds of getting back to what he was before the injury are, at best, 12/56. I’d like better than 21 percent odds on a guy you’re spending a 1st round pick on. |
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Don't think he has enough speed to be a difference maker in the NFL. His YAC in college is about running through guys, not making them miss or beating angles. I don't think it translates to the NFL. He doesn't move great laterally. Contact balance isn't special. Doesn't make guys miss in the backfield enough. I think he's a bigger B1G back who just won't translate to the NFL. I think his NFL career looks like the Pittsburgh back's, at best. He's certainly not worth a 2nd round pick in THIS draft, with this group of running backs. |
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With that injury concern and what’s likely to be available, no way would I consider him BPA. I just don’t see the board going to such shit that he’s the obvious pick. |
A healthy Simmons is better than any player that will possibly be available other than Nolen, who will also only be there for reasons other than football.
Some of you are just way too extreme with the anti-Simmons stuff. And I'm just not seeing it outside of CP. I'm starting to think we have some groupthink going on here. It's one thing to be concerned about the injury and not wanting to take the risk. It's another to pretend he isn't a top 15 talent when healthy that has no business being available at 31 otherwise. |
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But Conerly, Thomas, and Grant aren't head and shoulders above Simmons. |
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He absolutely was a top 15 talent. The issue is that, even if he is what is “healthy” for him now, the athleticism and explosion off that leg might not be the same as it was before the injury. Most of the guy who suffer this injury lose some explosiveness coming back from it. Even when healthy and cleared to play. Healthy Simmons now just might not ever be what healthy Simmons was before. |
Does anybody have access?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Beast is here!<br><br>The 2025 NFL Draft Guide - new and improved.<a href="https://t.co/uFiwIP1xMq">https://t.co/uFiwIP1xMq</a></p>— Dane Brugler (@dpbrugler) <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/1909939992358420964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Commonly discussed early prospects here... DE Mykel Williams #21 DE J.T. Tuimoloau #42 DE Nic Scourton #59 DT Derrick Harmon #16 DT Kenneth Grant #25 DT Walter Nolen #31 DT Tyleik Williams #40 LB Carson Schwesinger #38 CB Trey Amos #39 LT Josh Simmons #20 LT Josh Conerly #23 LT Kelvin Banks #26 WR Luther Burden III #27 WR Emeka Egbuka #28 TE Mason Taylor #33 TE Elijah Arroyo #41 RB TreVeyon Henderson #46 |
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Simmons is, IMO, a guy who wouldn't have clearly set himself apart from the Campbell or Membou in an OT draft that is pretty dang weak at the top. Even healthy, I'm not sure he's the top OT in the class. "What he was" has to be INCREDIBLY valuable in order for me to be willing to look past the injury and be willing to take the risk. I just don't think he was THAT good. Top 15 -- sure. But top 5? Nah. The best OT in the class? Probably not. And when you're a good but not elite prospect to begin with, you just don't have that far you can drop off to begin with. If he was an elite prospect at comes back at 90% of what he was, that's probably still an NFL starter. If he was a good prospect and comes back at 90%, it almost certainly isn't. Then you have some questions as to Ohio State offensive linemen -- notably the fact that Paris Johnson, who was definitely a better pure prospect than Simmons, hasn't been what anyone hoped. Taylor Decker was quite some time ago and really that's the only successful OL to have come from Ohio State of late, is it not? Am I missing anyone? There are just too many flags there. Maybe the board gets massacred and I'd take him anyway, but it seems really really unlikely. |
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I think they know how hard they have it picking so late. They know if Simmons is there at 31 it’s bc a shit ton of highly paid Dr’s on other teams staffs think his injury isn’t worth it so early. Packers and Ravens are successful franchises that just had him in on a visit, likely to have him meet with their own staff to check out his leg up close. Conerly is the only LT I could see them picking in rd 1 assuming they do at all. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Love it. <a href="https://twitter.com/McShay13?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@McShay13</a>’s latest mock has the Chiefs getting Walter Nolen at 31 ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ufprba7LgB">pic.twitter.com/Ufprba7LgB</a></p>— Chief Concerns (@ConcernsChief) <a href="https://twitter.com/ConcernsChief/status/1910758661837779446?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Nick Wright 2.0 has us going Derrick Harmon....Nolen was grabbed earlier by the Ravens
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Anyone have ESPN+ and want to post results from their 3 rounder today?
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The very fact that Simmons has the injury just drives him out of round 1 for me. That doesn't mean it drives him out of round 1 for some team that feels comfortable with where he'll be at or even takes a chance just on need alone. I'll be very, very nervous if that team is the Chiefs. |
Love Dane but I would not like this draft at all
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Kansas City Chiefs Full 7 Round Mock Draft Haul from <a href="https://twitter.com/dpbrugler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dpbrugler</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthletic?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthletic</a> <br><br>Top 3 is a great start in my book.<br>I would have preferred RJ Harvey, Jordan James, or Damien Martinez to Skattebo<br>Would have Gone Cam Williams or Mukuba to Cabeldue at 133<br>And changed the… <a href="https://t.co/l0VEoWnZ0P">pic.twitter.com/l0VEoWnZ0P</a></p>— DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1912482304967983351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 16, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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No thank. No thank you at all. Only pick I really like is Alfred Collins. |
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The Chiefs are convinced (and perhaps rightly so) that they can keep getting run-stuffing 0-techs either as cheap veterans or 3rd day flyers. They've seemingly had little interest in really attacking the position for years. There's a non-zero chance that he'd end up being the Derrick Nnadi of the class -- the best pick of a draft who ends up being a quality player for awhile but who shouldn't be the most valuable pick from any draft class. My favorite pick out of that group would be Lachey. Not sure you'd get anything out of him for at least a season, but there are some tools there and as a 7th round pick, that's worth the gamble. |
I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels that way about Alfred Collins. I much prefer his teammate Vernon Broughton who has excellent size and had 32 pressures (pressure every 18 snaps avg) and 4 sacks in his first year as a starter.
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I disagree with you guys a bit on Dane's mock. I don't love it either, to start with.
I just can't get on board with drafting Simmons, so I'll start there. I just think that's an asinine selection but I get the draw of giving KC a LT. I want one to, I just don't want THAT one. Tre Harris is NOT a contested catch WR. He's a bit on the larger side at 6'2" 205, but he's not "too big." He actually fits what we do really well in terms of how Ole Miss used him. I just don't know if his speed and short-area quickness are enough for Reid. I could support that pick, though. I actually like Collins quite a bit, and at that spot feel like he'd be a high-quality pick. I think there is a lot of meat on the bone yet with him in terms of getting him to produce more of a pass rush. That said, I can see wanting more juice. That's why I'm a big fan of TJ Sanders. Maybe he won't be as stout versus the run, but he's going to get after the QB more. I don't get the Skattebo hate, honestly. Kid is tough as shit to take down and that's not going to magically change in the NFL. Sure, he's not the explosive guy we want on 3rd down, but this guy is going to be an every down starter for a team. Can't judge a football player just on 40 time. The rest are stabs in the dark just like everyone else makes. I don't hate any of them. I love Downs but his arms are so ****ing short. Wish he was a couple inches longer there. I think the OL stabs are reasonable where they are, honestly. |
The problem is that Harris isn't an early separation, short area guy either. And he's not a downfield specialist.
So I thought I was being diplomatic in calling him a 'contested catch' guy because ultimately I don't see him being particularly adept at...anything. He's just there. I don't think I'd have him in my top 10 WRs. I just can't see why I should like him more than someone like Tory Horton or Kyle Williams. Those are 3rd and 4th round guys by most and that's about how I see Harris. Admittedly, I can be dogmatic especially when it comes to WRs, but it's served me well more often than it hasn't. I just don't see a guy that does anything particularly well. I think you can get away with that at a lot of positions but I just don't see it at WR. I'd take a RB with no standout traits but who does everything at a reasonably solid level. But at WR I need to see SOMETHING you do specifically well. In Harris I see a guy who's not particularly fast, not particularly physical, not particularly polished and doesn't run exceptional routes. He's game. He's willing to put his body out there to take a hit and make a catch. He's willing to block. I guess you could argue that he doesn't look a ton different than Rice did coming out, but I just liked what I saw in Rice quite a bit more than Harris. |
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Honestly, the biggest concern for me wouldn't be projecting his impact, it'd be his availability. You can't play from the tub. |
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I see the willingness with Harris but I don't see the 1st gear out of the cuts (and as I said when Rice timed, I was floored by his poor time; I really saw more deep speed than the stopwatch showed). With Harris the body control is good but I viewed Rice as College Elite and NFL premier. Like really damn good from day 1. I see Harris as a step below that -- simply good for a college player. And I don't see the deep speed I saw with Rice (that the stopwatch didn't support). Said it for years that I'm a traits/measurables whore with WRs. I really can't shy away from the label and wouldn't if I could. And with Harris I see a collection of solid traits that just don't look like they add up to a genuine top 60ish prospect. Back of 3? Sure -- take a shot. But he was too productive out of an SEC program for that. And there are teams that won't be bothered as much by the average short-area quickness. So in the end I just won't get him. And I'd be fine with that. Not because I dislike him in a vacuum, but because there are going to be guys I like more. |
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I was high on Rice and I desperately for us to move up to take Brian Thomas, so we're getting somewhere. All things told, if you held a gun to my head and said pick a WR in any round, ignoring other needs, that you think will be available at our pick, I'd actually take Emeka Egbuka in round 1 with strong consideration for Jayden Higgins. So, maybe, there's hope. |
I wanted Egbuka in the 1st round last year and then he screwed me and went back to Ohio State.
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1 trade up for Mykel Williams DE Georgia 2. Tre Harris set Ole Miss 3. Trade down for Alfred Collins 4. Trevor Etienne RB Georgia 5. Zy Alexander CB LSU 7. Luke Lachey TE Iowa 7. Jalen Travis OT Iowa State I like Williams but either way a deep class? He also had us trading down to take Alfred Collins so the Patriots could take Judkins. God help Veach if he did that stupid ass shit |
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I've been talked out of wanting Josh Simmons. I'd be willing to change my mind if next year's OT's look to be even less impressive than this year's at this point.
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Yeah a WR that doesn’t fit our system that well and no real improvement to the pass rush would really piss me off
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NFLSEshow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NFLSEshow</a>’s 7 Round <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Mock:<br><br>Pick 31: Josh Simmons • T<br>Pick 63: Omarr Norman-Lott • DT<br>Pick 66: Elic Ayomanor • WR<br>Pick 95: Jaydon Blue • RB<br>Pick 133: Elijah Roberts • DE<br>Pick 226: Kaimon Rucker • DE<br>Pick 251: Teddye Buchanan • LB<br>Pick 257: Kitan Crawford • S</p>— Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1913712669997101185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Forgive me, as I have not followed closely this year compared to the past, but is Simmons the guy who has his knee injury or patellar tendon if I am not mistaken?
Can that be an issue? Is there history of players who suffered similar injury as this and affected their play in a bad way? Only reason I ask is that I remember Victor Cruz, Jerod Mayo, and that Jackson guy from the Chargers had similar injury. Also (and I can be mistaken here), their return-to-play performance definitely decreased? Maybe it's just me, but this feels a lot of high risk and low reward. |
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I just don't get the Simmons to KC stuff. I can't fathom this team taking that chance in round 1. If it's what they do, I guess. I feel like the late 2nd is about a round early on Norman-Lott but who knows for sure on that one. I do like him, but he lacks experience. I feel like there will be better options at that pick. I'd like him more in the 3rd. I think you can work with him. Wouldn't hate it though. Ayomanor is a guy I don't know if he fits in this offense really well, too straight tline, and the drops are a very real thing. Doesn't feel like something we'd go after in the 2nd round. Maybe the 4th round on that type. Blue is probably a 5th or 6th rounder, talent doesn't equate with his speed at all. 3rd is way too high. I don't think he's a guy Reid would sign off on with the fumbling issues. Rucker is meh. Short frame, short arms. I don't think that will play with Spags. I get that Danna has been a guy here who's played, but he's kind of an enigma. Buchanan is probably a 5th-rounder, could even sneak into the 4th. He's a really solid LB. I don't know why he'd slip to the end of the 7th round. I can't see it as even remotely realistic. Crawford is probably a 6th-rounder, could sneak into the 5th with his workout. A lot of teams have looked at him. No way he's the last pick in the draft. |
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Farmer is who I think the Chiefs really want in rd 2. They’ve spoken to him daily per Farmer himself. He’s not tall but he’s he’s got 35 arms, big hands, is strong as hell and has a really good first step. Omar Norman-Lott is contingency IMO. Still love the kid. Enormous hands (11+!!!) long enough arms, highest pass rush win rate. His value on passing downs alone would be great. Jaydon Blue is the best receiving back in this class and it isn’t close. The production and fluidity there is elite. He’d be an excellent 3rd down back with time (most of these kids need to get better at blocking). He’s gonna go in rd 4 bc of that and his speed. Of course Etienne, Smith, Etc are options there too. The Chiefs had zero explosion or playmaking from their backs which is why Andy utilized Worthy there so often. Not big on the Ayomanor kid. I’d take Royals but I don’t hate him. Roberts is one my favorite Spags edges. And goddamn do I love Buchanan and Crawford. They’re really good for day 3 IMO. Love their fit here. |
The funny thing about Simmons is if the Chiefs are ok with his medicals, you can bet your ass other teams are too…and that’s exactly why I think he goes way earlier.
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The player who was in that conversation was Banks. He's inexplicably been overanalyzed, and not a single reason seems to be legitimate for his stock tanking. Meanwhile, Campbell has maintained #1 status with a legitimate reason not to. Conerly was beginning to get that talk, and then the Mike Green thing happened at the Senior Bowl, and he went from top-20 rankings (13 on McShay's board) to dropping out of round 1 on some, all for 1 meaningless practice snap. |
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But yours also is valid too, and true. And some of us would know some of the answers like I mentioned on skill players, I am not well rehearsed on linemen, hence why I was asking. And Jerm also mentioned Niang as well as yourself, which I remembered we thought we got a good steal out of him, but was not at the end due to that injury. So given what we all know and the evidence that supports this theory, it supports my own concerns that it would be too risky to consider him at 31 then. |
No one cares but I'm all the way out on Simmons. I started googling it. I respect Duncan and Crow as much as anyone on this board, so when they bring it up I listen. Holy hell you'd be drafting a guy in the first round whose upside is about 80% of what he was IF recovery goes VERY well. That's a nasty injury and it really sucks for the kid. I hope someone, not the chiefs drafts him and he gets a rookie contract somewhere just for his troubles.
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