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**** it I'm on the Henderson bandwagon don't think hes the go to guy like some of you think but he is explosive draft him kick the tires on a guy like Chubb with Rice/Worthy on the outside and an upgrade at LT you have a top 10 offense
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RB is not the biggest need but surely still is high on the list. The trick is how to value it and what round do you want to take a shot? We didn't try until it was too late but if the running game could have helped set the tempo and rhythm that games likely a lot less ugly.
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FWIW, The Athletic's latest mock has KC picking Dylan Sampson with their lower 3rd round pick.
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He can't run between the tackles and his vision is soso. He would be an excellent McKinnon/Perine replacement that would give us some homerun potential with catches out of the backfield and the occasional run...but there's a reason why Tre Wisner ended up being the feature back for Texas this year. |
If the board doesn't go their way or they've already picked up an LT elsewhere taking one of the premier RB talents at 32 wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
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Highest volume receiving back in CFB last year with 64 receptions.
6 ft 207 lbs 10.25 hands 3 down back looks like a natural fit in our offense. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LeQuint Allen is the MOST UNDERRATED player in the entire 2025 NFL Draft.<br><br>He has 2836 yards, 30 TDs, and 118 MTF in the last 2 seasons. He is a dangerous receiving threat, only dropping 4% of targets with 104 catches.<br><br>I currently have a day 2 grade on him in a stacked RB class. <a href="https://t.co/qUjfkiynOS">pic.twitter.com/qUjfkiynOS</a></p>— NFL Draft Files (@NFL_DF) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DF/status/1885755712858423736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
The Chiefs need to draft a running back in the worse way. That said, I have a hard time pulling the trigger on a running back before the 3rd round. Ample talent in this draft class, and while many are down on the talent in this draft, I think it fits nicely for what the Chiefs have in terms of positional needs.
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Andy is going to love Skattebo.
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Need someone similar to McKinnon. Speed and great pass blocking.
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Tuten has become my guy. Elite speed. Good runner and receiver. Good vision, great contact balance. He's at least a willing pass blocker but he needs a lot of coaching there. He's a discount Henderson for me. We should be able to get him at the bottom of the 4th. I like the value there. His biggest issue for me is fumbles but I remember Jamaal having that issue coming out too and he corrected it.
Spending a day 1 or 2 pick on a RB just seems foolish for an Andy Reid offense. I just don't think we rely enough on a RB to justify spending a high pick on one. If we did, I might be pounding the table for a guy like Omarion Hampton in the 1st or Kaleb Johnson in the 2nd. Those guys look like 3-down horses. |
That’s interesting. Tuten is comped to Pacheco with the same vision issues. Wouldn’t be a bad day 3 pick.
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Tuten’s Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-32q8DjMgkU
I haven’t watched his actual tape, but in his highlight real he shows plenty of vision. Uses his blockers well to set up big plays, doesn’t just run full speed. I’m very interested. |
I like all of em lol…
Jeanty Hampton Johnson Henderson Judkins Sampson Neal B. Smith Tuten Harvey Gordon Hey Veach, let’s just get crazy and go all Mike Ditka and Rickey Williams on this draft for Jeanty!? Who else? |
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From one of the lists posted earlier in this thread, here is what I would have on my list of RB pick ups....
Ashton Jeanty, Boise State-(Pretty good bet that Jeanty will not last to us, but if for some wild reason he dropped to us, I would pull the trigger....) Omarion Hampton, North Carolina TreVeyon Henderson, Ohio State Quinshon Judkins, Ohio State Ollie Gordon II, Oklahoma State Dylan Sampson, Tennessee Devin Neal, Kansas Jarquez Hunter, Auburn I could see Nate Noel as a late round option or even an undrafted pick up but I would not spend an early pick on him (Round 1-5) As a question for the rest of the crowd......why is everyone down on Samaje Perine? For the role he was asked to play, I thought he was a good pickup. Also.....why does everyone think we should keep Carson Steele.....to me he pretty much fizzled after the early hype. I know they will continue to ride with Pacheco but as stated here on other posts, he seems to be bad about reading his blockers and loves to run over people too much. Hunt was a good pickup but how much does he have left in the tank? |
I like Perine just fine, buuut memories of McKinnon get in the way of calling him a true impact and I wouldn’t mind replacing him.
Pachecco will be on the last year of his rookie deal, super cheap, so I assume we keep him but I’d like to see us find his replacement. We’re not paying his 2nd contract. |
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Looks like a 3rd day dart throw to me. Doesn't even really move like a RB; super inefficient, IMO. I also don't see any burst to speak of at all. As far as highlight tapes go, that's not terribly impressive. Looks like a guy who occasionally flashes against inferior athletes. Nice contact balance but he also has that Pacheco sort of approach in that he runs at guys. Except unlike Pacheco, he seems to do it because he realizes he lacks the explosiveness to try to go around them. Hey, I'm wrong all the time. But I'm not even sure I see an NFL player there. Certainly not someone I'd get excited about. To each their own. Looking forward to the week before the draft when we have people talking themselves into him in the 1st round somehow. |
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I want nothing to do with a guy that has to "run thru college defenders" to get yardage.
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RJ Harvey continues to be interesting as hell. I really like him.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career missed tackles forced and yards per touch from the last two RB classes <a href="https://t.co/fNsHiLaxx3">pic.twitter.com/fNsHiLaxx3</a></p>— Football Insights (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1892621818889937070?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Career Explosive Run rates from 2025 RBs<br><br>RJ Harvey: 21%<br>Jarquez Hunter: 18.9%<br>Cam Skattebo/Bhayshul Tuten: 18%<br>Marcus Yarns: 17.9%<br>Damien Martinez: 17.8% <a href="https://t.co/oHfAbvtUlI">pic.twitter.com/oHfAbvtUlI</a></p>— Football Insights (@fball_insights) <a href="https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1892433014887420323?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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I just don't see a role for him at this level. He appears to be a pretty good route runner but is iffy enough in pass pro that you don't love him as a 3rd down back. He's certainly not someone I'd want to be giving the ball between the 20s because he doesn't have any sort of long speed. I think he MIGHT be able to give you something similar to what Hunt did this season. But even that might be a stretch as Hunt's vision really is special -- I don't think Skattebo's is; probably merely good. He might be in my top 15 at RB? maybe. But I'd take Harvey over him for sure. Honestly, I even prefer someone like Damien Martinez. Or take a flyer on an Ollie Gordon. I've already talked about Tuten - I'd definitely prefer him. Probably Sanders out of South Carolina. Antario Brown from NIU is far more intriguing. I mean if I'm going with someone with Skattebo's speed, gimme Phil Mafeh to at least hammer into guys. There are just a TON of guys I like more than him. There will be RBs I like more than Skattebo going undrafted. I just can't talk myself into him at all. I mean I'm not a huge fan of, say, Donovan Edwards but I'm not sure why I should think Skattebo is likely to be a better NFL player than him and Edwards could easily end up a UDFA. Or Henry Parrish. I just don't see much 'there' there. |
My favorites are Henderson, Sampson, Smith, Tuten and Harvey… pick the right one and let’s go Veach!
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Is there any chance that Pacheco bounces back next year? My understanding is that he will have internal hardware below the knee for the rest of his life. If that’s so, will he ever have the same speed that he had prior to the injury? Wishing him the best, but this team desperately needs explosion from the running back position.
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Chiefs need young dynamic running backs with speed and vision. One of the reasons defenses can shut down our offense is because nobody fears our running backs. Even if our backs have great games, it probably means the game is close, which is an advantage to our opponent. |
I watched every ASU game this season and Skattebo is 100% legit. And after his junior year I wouldn't have said he'd be any better than Cody Schrader. He was a totally different dude this year.
If he runs somewhere in the mid 4.5s or better he won't be there when we pick in the 2nd. He's got the most insane contact balance I've ever seen, he's like the love child of a gyroscope and a manhole cover. And we know how Veach feels about yards after first contact guys and guys who break tackles. |
You guys have like 10 backs going in the first two rounds which is nuts. I hope it happens because it means we will land some great guys and important positions.
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I think they have to take a RB with either 63 or 66. It’ll start to dry up early 3rd but all the guys you really love will likely be gone by our late 3rd.
Jeanty, Hendrickson and Hampton seem like first rd locks to me. Judkins and Johnson are 2nd rd locks. The end of the 2nd rd through the mid 3rd. Around 62- 75 I think you’ll see a run of like 3 or 4 guys picked. Harvey, Sampson and Neal for sure. Some team will pick the bigger back like Skattebo or Ollie Gordon in that range too. |
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So DJ has a February mock with all 3 going in the 1st and now they're "locks"? Dude, Jeanty is the only ****ing RB that is a "lock" to go in the 1st round. Just stop. |
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I don't have a slew of 1st/2nd round RBs in this draft. I just have a LOT of mushy middle. |
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Hampton is a Harbaugh guy through and through. That might be the best bet for a team to pick so far. |
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When is the last time we had not 1, not 2, but 3 RBs go in the 1st round? Other than Jeanty, the other 2 likely aren't even going in the top 20. How the **** can they be "locks"? The only guys that can be considered "locks" are those with 1st round grades. You do this EVERY YEAR. You have 40 1st round locks every draft. |
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But we all get caught up in it. Some of us thinking 3 RB’s can go rd 1, others thinking Colston Loveland has any chance in hell of falling to 31 :rolleyes: |
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And his name is Henderson, not "Hendrickson". |
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I actually need to ask you about Elijah Arroyo since you’re a Miami fan and he fits perfectly in the this conversation of maybe being worth a first rd pick at 31 even though he’s currently a 2nd rd value. |
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Worthy, Rice, and Arroyo would be just an amazing young group of weapons that complement eachother perfectly. |
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He’s a one year wonder guy in terms of productivity so I don’t think he will be a first rd value, but his injury was pretty bad and seemed to hurt him in 2022 and 2023. Feels like he could be a Xavier Legette type of guy who was also a true one year star guy but has the upside to be picked with one of the last picks in the first rd. |
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My current guesstimate: Round 1 - Jeanty Round 2 - Hampton, Johnson, Henderson Round 3 - Sampson, Judkins, Harvey Round 4 - James, Skattebo, Neal, Gordon, Tuten Round 5 - Hunter, Allen, Giddens, Monagai, Brooks Round 6 - Marks, Martinez, Sanders Round 7 - Etienne, Mullings, Smith, Yarns |
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That's why I just won't end up getting, say, Johnson. Or Judkins. I wouldn't take Johnson in the 2nd or Judkins in the 3rd. But I'd maybe get Sampson or Harvey. My only real question becomes who among those guys I'd be willing to take in the 4th. Because with no draft capital to speak of after the 4th round, that's the million dollar question. Tuten, Gordon and James are guys I'd look at with our 4th (and anyone 'above' them on your list) if we hadn't taken one by then. And probably Sanders, though I'm not completely sold on him yet. Looks like I'm a lot higher on him than you are. So in terms of RBs and what picks I'd look at them with (these compound): 31: Jeanty -- he won't fall this far, but if he did I'd take him here in all likelihood. 63: Hampton, Henderson and Sampson 66: Johnson (realistically, i should put him in the list above but I do have him a step behind those guys for this squad) 95: Harvey 132: Judkins, Tuten, James, Gordon, Sanders It's just such an odd exercise to attempt though because so much of it depends on who else is there. But I'd almost have to have gotten one of those guys by the end of the 4th round. I can't come out of this draft without a RB. |
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I'd be pretty content taking none of them and seeing what's left with the late 2nd or early 3rd. I'm not taking Arroyo with a 1st. Loveland -- maybe. Warren -- absolutely. But Arroyo isn't obviously better than Taylor, Helm or Fannin so I'm just gonna rely on surplus and let things play out rather than reach for him. |
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Which gets back to my previous point in a couple of these other threads - I'm beyond caring at this point. Because as an athlete and receiver, he's still not going to be better than one of the fairly ordinary WRs out of this class. If we don't have a HoF caliber, All Pro move TE, I don't want to be TE-centric anymore. And I don't think Arroyo is better as a receiver than Warren or Loveland. So I'm hard pressed to conclude that there are THREE stud receiving TEs coming out of this class. Which tells me that with Arroyo we're looking at another good pass catching TE not terribly unlike someone like Trey McBride as his upside. Eh. Gimme the more rounded TE and a better WR3 to form up an 11 personnel group and then an explosive RB to finish off the mix. I just don't find myself all that stoked about a 'Kelce Replacement' these days. They don't exist. Just pivot. |
Judkins doesn't seem to get much love. What is he lacking? I'm not advocating for him, I just don't know much about him, other than he seems to show up fairly high on most RB draft lists.
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I think Grey is fine as a Kelce replacement and we don't know what we have in Wiley. I would get a blocking TE in the later rounds or FA and maybe visit TE early next year |
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And athletically he's fine but not a standout. I don't think his particular tool set would be difficult to find in a package that's 2-3 inches taller with 20-30 lbs more weight. Hell, we probably have that in Wiley, to be honest. I don't have a problem upgrading on Gray if Kecle retires. I'm just not terribly enthusiastic about using a 1st round pick on it. Probably wouldn't even use a 2nd rounder. I just think I'm going to like some of the DL options available in/around those picks. |
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Looks like we're closer together on a lot of these guys than we've been in years past.
May be harder for us to find things to yell at each other about this year... **** YOU, KYLE WILLIAMS IS BETTER THAN PAT BRYANT!!! |
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It’s a great class to capitalize on a huge need of getting a weapon for the offense. If Arroyo is the guy I don’t see why not? Truth is Kelce is an old, washed player that can provide some moments of his glory days but it’s became more and more rare. His legs are gone. Love him but it’s pretty clear he’s not the threat he was 3 years ago. Wouldn’t necessarily say we are trying to replace him bc that’s impossible. I think we need a real threat there. A guy that can make plays and get YAC and Noah Gray is not ever gonna be more than a role player IMO I’d prefer to use a 2nd but if he’s got that much upside and board falls that way I don’t see why not? We had so many issues with old players and lack of explosive plays. We gotta make that a major priority this offseason |
It’s safe to say this draft is loaded with RBs?
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I’d absolutely love him and Logan Brown in the 7th, assuming they’re available at our picks. Smith has great highlights, plenty of experience considering they seemed to force feed him, he moves really well in space with the ball in his hands and as I see him fall I’ve been wondering if it would be a total sin to take 2 RBs. A starter in the 2nd to 4th rounds, and a gadget/special teams guy in the 7th but we don’t have enough picks to justify that so would probably have to be an UDFA. More realistically, I think we might need to take to O-linemen in the draft if we’re doubling down on any position. I see you like Gordon, I’m intrigued, but can someone explain to me why he’s all over the board? He was a top guy a year ago, now most have him going late. What’s his story? What’s your take on him? |
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I don't feel like I'm really forcing anyone in the 1st, except maybe Shedeur and Conerly. They might be more fringe but I don't know that I'd change much against too many classes. Anyone you would axe off of this 1st round grade list? Anyone you'd absolutely add? QB Ward, Sanders RB Jeanty WR McMillan, Burden III, Egbuka TE Warren, Loveland OL Simmons, Campbell, Banks, Conerly, Membou, Booker ER Carter, Scourton, Green, Pearce, Walker DT Graham, Nolan, Harmon CB Hunter, Johnson, Morrison (depending on his hip) SS Starks |
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I don't think I'd give Conerly a '1st round grade' but I do think he'll probably go in the 1st. I probably wouldn't put Starks in the 1st -- I think you can make an argument that Emmanwori is the best S in the class and I think if you're not clearly the best S in the class, you probably aren't getting a 1st round grade. Grant out of Michigan will get a 1st round grade for some, IMO. But not for a lot of teams. |
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Mostly he made me LESS interested in Harris... |
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I don't have a 1st round grade on Mykel Williams. He's very, very raw. I love his traits. I'd likely take him at 31. I just wouldn't put him in that top-20 class of players. |
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I saw it and immediately went to Deone (haven't had Jalon in my head as an Edge). Jalon w/ a 1st round grade makes sense. And yeah, I could see him being more of an edge rusher than off-ball sort at the next level. I do think he's more capable of being a true 4-3 style 'backer than Parsons was, though. As for Williams -- I'd be stoked to get him at 31. Make due with a vet DE/FAU for a year -- might even take 2. But I think you have EXACTLY the kind of DE I'd want to see opposite of Karlaftis if/when he hits his ceiling. But maybe that year of development he'd probably take is enough to take the 'blue chip' tag off him. That's fair. |
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We met with this kid. Looks a lot like a Samaje Perine to me. 6’1” 233 lbs. could be a 3 down back immediately. Long speed doesn’t seem there to me. No way in hell that he runs a 4.45.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ollie Gordon <br><br>The single most slept on player in the 2025 NFL draft. <br><br>As a 19 year old sophomore he put up <br>-1,732 rushing yards<br>-22 total touchdowns<br>-39 receptions<br>-Doak Walker award winner (best rb in the country) <br><br>At 6’2 230 w 4.45 speed Ollie Gordon is going to be the best… <a href="https://t.co/ycOqRbAqR5">pic.twitter.com/ycOqRbAqR5</a></p>— Football Fanatics (@FFB_Fanatics) <a href="https://twitter.com/FFB_Fanatics/status/1892373858801635513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 20, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Okay he’s growing on me. Damn
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs have scheduled a meeting with Ollie Gordon of OSU. <br><br>• 6’1”, 212 pounds. <br>• 4.45 second 40 yard dash.<br>• 2,062 yards, & 22 touchdowns in 2023. <a href="https://t.co/FELNgr0Mh7">pic.twitter.com/FELNgr0Mh7</a></p>— fatty patty (@theonlydyl_) <a href="https://twitter.com/theonlydyl_/status/1894863244768018651?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 26, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ollie Gordon running a slant and cooking a corner for your viewing pleasure <a href="https://t.co/iR0Dal9eYD">pic.twitter.com/iR0Dal9eYD</a></p>— FF Mike Kash (@FFMikeKash) <a href="https://twitter.com/FFMikeKash/status/1890931810583888377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 16, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
I like this kid a lot.
But I like Harvey even better. |
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Damien Martinez doesn't get enough love.
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The more I dig in and see the defensive strength of this class the more desperate I find myself to mock a RB earlier. The need feels like it’s growing for me by the day. I know it shouldn’t but man I want that dimension back for this team. |
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LMAO Would be pretty foolish to do but IF Burden actually fell to the end of the first I'd be running to the podium with card in hand. The shit Reid could do with a trio of Rice, Worthy, and Burden would be catastrophic to the rest of the league.
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I’m all about getting more weapons early and often.
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Especially with the whispers of him falling out of the first round, possibly. Grab him at 31 posthaste if he's there. |
The Chiefs REALLY don't need to use another 1st round pick for a WR, but if Burden (or Egbuka) fall to 31, you have to give it some strong consideration. Could change the dynamic of the offense (force teams into 2 high against KC a lot more) and allow the WR's to eat in the middle of the field and the running game (assuming we get a RB) to explode.
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If the Chiefs get a LT in FA and sign Smith long term, **** it. Just make the offense crazy and trust the rest of the draft to build the defense for the future.
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Add that to the 2018 offense, and you’ve got a winner. |
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We need an explosive home run hitter at RB to PUNISH two high looks. At best he looks like a slower Leveon Bell. |
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there's something to be said for just stacking good football players. And weapons never hurt to have. |
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