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Chiefs will need to adjust and figure this out
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=356009)
Hell of a catch by Worthy on play #4. Good sign.
Also for being such a shitty QB, on rewatch Mahomes made some pretty good plays. |
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While they can do what you want, it seems like that would be a continuation of what they've been doing since Fisher retired. |
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But every once in a blue moon you get a "Silverdick" situation, the Niners have gotten five good years out of him... what I wouldn't give for five years of stability at LT I'm dreaming and I know it, but the washout rate for rookie LT's is only eclipsed by that of hotshot rookie QBs... a proven youngish vet would be just what the Dr ordered :D |
Jawaan got a shit deal Sunday. These DL know he’s had trouble with penalties and bait officials. This was in no way a hold by him.
FFS <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Land Clark fell for it hook line and sinker. Ed Oliver gets his hands inside on Jawaan Taylor’s framework. Once he sees Mahomes is about to get by him, he drops the right knee and reaches out his right arm to create a hold called. <a href="https://t.co/YFMxqKvbundle of sticks">pic.twitter.com/YFMxqKvbundle of sticks</a></p>— Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1858959183493669060?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Weren't the Chiefs number one in O-Line salary going into 2024?
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Fans really are "what have you done for me lately"
I wouldn't care if Pat turned into the shittiest QB ever for the next 5 years. He gave us the time of our lives as Chiefs fans. That's not going to happen, I'm just saying if it did. |
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I think paying Trey that kind of coin is not worth it. Extend Thuney and draft another kid in the mid rounds for insurance. They are 100% extending Bolton though. Spags loves him too much. Oh well |
I watched all of those pressures and the biggest piece of shit that allowed the most seemed like Jawaan Taylor. Von Miller whipped his ass.
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If the OL is having a bad day, why aren’t they calling more plays to
get the ball out of Pats hands quickly? |
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I just hope that was a glimpse of what is to come. |
But QBR!
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The Chiefs have to adjust instead of the league adjusting to them. The rest of the league knows the tendencies and something has to change. The WR injuries has been brutal; having Rice would have made all the difference. The Bills played a lot of man coverage and took Kelce away; he's just not a man beater. Expect to see a lot more of this until the Chiefs prove they can go over the top consistently again. |
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Fulton was complete ass at RG. Pretty decent player at center, though |
They'll adjust. They always do. We have a hiccup or two each season where we look pretty lousy but andy becomes a wizard in the post season. Bills should have saved it for the playoffs.
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Watching that was awful but somehow it seemed even worse live.
Morris wasnt that bad in this game, he looked ok. The interior was getting destroyed. |
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I'd like to think by time the playoffs get here, Andy, Nagy and Heck will have come up with a scheme to work around this and to counter it. There's still plenty of time to do something about it and get a good plan in place. But 2 things (non-scheme based) need to change; 1. Pat needs to quit bailing pre-emptively 2. Interior O-Line needs to be better and play up to standard. The tackles are what they are. We know that and we're just gonna have to scheme around it, mainly the left side as the biggest offender. |
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They know what they need to do. They just have to execute. |
I wouldn't pay Trey, he'll be too expensive. But the reason he'll be too expensive is...he's been pretty damn good. Not just "good value for the pick" but...good, certainly well above average.
Every year he's had a few games where he's been beaten like a drum, and a lot more where he's been very, very solid imo. If one of those games happens in the playoffs, yep, gonna be a problem. But there is no way he is a greater problem than the LT situation or Mahomes' flushing early. Morris is not good. Kingsley is horrendous. If we can get SOMETHING to work at LT I think we're fine. |
Trey got owned by Ed Oliver. The Chiefs will likely see the Bills again. I get everyone is focused on LT but they could scheme around it if their incredibly expensive IOL could actually hold up.
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Not much to add here, pretty much everything that needs to be said has been said.
A couple things I'll say is, 1) Pat needs to be more accurate across the board, not just one the deep shots. He's just not been consistently as accurate as he could be or as he needs to be, even on the shorter passes. And a lot of that is his footwork/throwing mechanics. He almost missed that short out-route to DHop because he threw that ball with no platform. Then that throw to DHop on the go-route was not well-placed and it was short, and most of that was the fact that he has no platform, and he throws that ball kind of 3/4 slot, instead of over the shoulder. And there was no reason for him to throw it the way he did. And 2), he needs to trust his receivers more and throw with anticipation. That first INT doesn't happen if he trusts Gray to be where he's supposed to be and just throws when he hits his back foot. Baker would've thrown that ball on time. If the cleans up just those two things, he'll look a lot better. Doesn't solve everything, but it'll probably help move the chains and probably his confidence. Ymmv. |
Random thought/observation - does Pat maybe spend too much time in the offseason doing his workout program with Bobby Stroupe when he should be spending more time with a QB coach working on his mechanics? Maybe I’m way off, just a thought.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not an overreaction - but just an observation.<br><br>This Chiefs offense is woefully slow<br><br>It's tough to watch KC roll out Hopkins, Smith-Schuster, Watson at WR... These dudes are running with ankle weights. They can't beat press. They don't threaten anyone. RB position not dymanic <a href="https://t.co/1jVLxM1M1q">pic.twitter.com/1jVLxM1M1q</a></p>— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenFennell_NFL/status/1859284568756359522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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A prayer circle around Watson on D might be good, too. |
Losing to Buffalo isn’t what bothers me.
Getting outgained by 100+ yards and having our line get fist****ed is the concerning thing |
Petro said Smith is our lowest graded lineman on pff except for Kingsley. He did get abused Sunday.
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Anyone want to imagine what the Bengals offense would look like without Chase, Higgins and Brown all year? Or the Ravens without Henry, Flowers and Bateman? Lions without Amon-Ra, Jamo and Gibbs or Montgomery? Bills without Shakir, Cook and Coleman? That’s what we’ve been dealing with and we’ve still got a top 10 offense by most metrics. |
The only offenses I can think of off the top of my head ravaged by injury as badly as ours is the Rams and 49ers. Both of those teams are struggling to maintain .500.
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That's a stupid tweet anyway. Hardman and Watson are plenty fast, and Xavier changes everything.
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Trey gets a lot more love than expected. I like him but Thuney is a much better player
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PFF says Joe Thuney is having his best season ever: "Thuney has yet to allow a sack or a quarterback hit this season and has allowed pressure on just 1.7% of pass plays — the best rate of his career."</p>— Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattConnerAA/status/1859312059839619130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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But personally, I'm more concerned about points than yards. Setting that aside, at what point do we begin to look at some of those games as outliers and not the norm. How many other 400+ yard games for Chiefs offense this season, outside of those two? I don't think any. And I think it's pretty well established at this point that both the Saints and Bucs defense are pretty bad. So, yes, ultimately comes down to execution, but we're 10 games into the season now and getting a lot more of one than the other. |
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We are in the midst of a three-peat attempt and the AFC competition is fierce, and the NFC Lions is fierce as well, we cannot be dicking around with the LT position right now, we need to get someone at LT that is at least somewhat competent. |
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I'd rather give him a short extension than pay Trey top of the market money. Could you get Thuney to take a 2-year, $35M-ish deal and lower that 2025 cap hit a good bit? Would. |
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The reality is his mechanics have gotten out of whack at some point during every single season he's been a starter. He's admitted to it multiple times in one presser or another since 2019? So he knows all about it, knows how to fix it, it's just something that seems to happen every year. So I guess we have to just assume that he'll eventually fix it this year. |
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I don't know if he needs to do extra squats or whatever. Maybe. I think he just thinks he can flick out where he wants with just his arm, because he's gotten away with it so many times over the years, since HS probably. But when those flicks aren't as accurate or don't have the trajectory or whatever they result in misses or INTs, especially when the defense plays tight, as BUF's did the other night. I mean, credit where credit is due, the Bills defense executed very well most of the night, and they played very tight, sticky coverage in both man and zone, making the windows much smaller than whatever the NFL average is. Most likely anyway (haven't actually looked it up, just judging from the tape). But when those windows are that small, the QB has to throw dots and dimes, or those passes will be defensed/intercepted. And it's just that much harder to throw dots/dimes when the QB consistently doesn't have his feet under him and he's throwing sidearm/three-quarter slot or otherwise off-angle slots. My point is, Pat is making some of those throws harder than they have to be, imo. |
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