There are a lot of guys who are vital cogs in getting their teams a high seed and a playoff loss. We're in that phase of the season right now where those guys are shining. Meanwhile, the league MVP cruises leisurely to win after win while coiling for the end-of-season strike.

I'm sure if this was Brady we were talking about - you'd be saying the same thing right?

The MVP does not always go to the player on the best team. That's not an accurate statement at all.

Mahomes leads the NFL in INTs and is ranked 16th for passing yds. His 6 TDs put him at 21st for the season. Stats don't tell the whole story but come on...

He's not the MVP of the NFL thus far this season and it's not really close. He's still the leader of arguably the best team in the NFL and career wise the current best player.... However. season wise, thus far, plenty of players are having better years.

I'll say this, the rest of our schedule seems a lot easier than the first portion, so I do think a rebound is coming.

Not necessarily because they play 12 games without a break, including a stretch of 3 games in 10 days. That's brutal no matter who you're playing against.

They're already injury prone this season over a handful of games.

MVP is who had the best stats, yards and TD's. Almost always the QB who had the most total yards and TDs which is why Lamar Jackson is always in the running. Despite having barely any playoff success.

Mahomes isn't getting that, he's getting wins and wins don't factor into it.

Wins baby.

Do you like Marty over. Vermeil?

Well of course winning is more important, but if Mahomes is playing like an MVP then we're winning and being entertained. Like I said, I'm good with this for a little bit, but God damn I couldn't take several seasons of this kind of football and some people act like they could because all that matters is winning, but at some point winning how we've been winning is just so God damn boring.

The best way I can explain it is by comparing the NFL and XFL. The reason the NFL is so popular and something like the XFL can't stay in business isn't just because people love football it's also the talent level of the players in the NFL make the game fun. So yeah, duh, winning is nice, but watching mediocrity isn't and this offense has looked mediocre since last season.

Oh absolutely. Not even close.

People still resd PFF?

They are the Cardiac Chiefs and it's been that way ever since Mahomes was the starter in 2018 with a terrible defense and a strong offense. Mahomes was the MVP in 2022 and you squeaked out an ugly win in overtime against a TERRIBLE Houston team because your defense played like shit in that game. It is extremely rare that the Chiefs play great on both sides of the ball. Been the case for 6 years now.

They probably shouldn't but according to PFF all 32 teams subscribe to them.

Goff having a great season so far.

How much sense does Mahomes make for MVP?
 

I think the crux of it that some people don’t want to see is that the issue isn’t necessarily that Mahomes and the offense aren’t top three in the league across a variety of statistical categories, as I don’t think anyone is realistically asking for that. It’s that things are so bad at times that we are missing plays that simply shouldn’t be missed by Mahomes, and mistakes made that shouldn’t happen, regardless of circumstances.

The miss to Worthy being a perfect example. It’s right out of the half, first down, perfect pocket, wide open, you know exactly what you are going to do and it’s simply a terrible miss. Hit that one play and the entire performance becomes a really good one that is both exciting yet efficient, and encouraging about what might come next.

We really just need to see Mahomes and the offense perform much closer to their ceiling and things would look much better for Mahomes and his stats.

I thought this thread was a joke at first. Then I saw that Jackson just surpassed Mahomes as MVP favorite.

Seriously? How the hell is Mahomes even in the conversation? It’s always been a numbers award.

The Chiefs are 6th in offensive DVOA despite facing one of the toughest schedules in football and having no WRs. This really isn’t the issue anybody is making it out to be.

I think some Chiefs fans believe this is all a dream and as soon as they just enjoy watching, they’ll wake up and it’ll be over.

So they find any reason to ignore the good things the Chiefs are doing and have done, just so they can focus on the bad as if there’s ever been a “perfect team”.

“Just one before I die” Chief Fan simply can’t enjoy things anymore. He’d rather his team suck, so he can dream of winning one.

Mahomes isn't even close this year.

While he’s still the leader of the best team, he’s not even close to the MVP at this point. He’s doing enough to win, and some of his numbers are down due to Hunt getting a lot of TDs in the red zone, but this offense is being carried by the defense. Not sure if that is impacting his performance or not as he’s not playing with his hair on fire like he did earlier in his career.

It’s not just a numbers award though. Lamar did not post the best numbers of all QBs last year but he won it because he was the QB of the best team. But while he didn’t have the best numbers, he still had good numbers. Mahomes currently has awful numbers by his standards. He doesn’t need to lead the league in yards and TDs, he just can’t have more INTs than TDs.

Tbh, we’re a pretty balanced team.

I was looking into the numbers and we’re #10 in offensive yards per game and also #10 in defensive yards per game allowed. The big issue is that we’re #25 in redzone scoring percentage and turning the ball over almost twice per game. That lands us at #13 in offensive PPG and #5 in defensive PPG.

Concerning Pat, we’re actually #12 in passing YPG and #10 in rushing YPG so he’s not really being carried by the running game either. We’re actually only averaging 4.1 YPC on the ground, and that’s including Pat’s rushing yards that bump the average up. Overall, our running game is probably about middle of the pack.

While these thoughts are facts..... We all know he's the MVP of the league. The NFL did a redo draft, every time out of a 1000 every team would take Mahomes first. That always makes him the MVP regardless of this years performance on the field.

How I see MVP race:

1. Mahomes
2. Worthy
3. Creed Humphrey

I totally understand why until last Mahomes was MVP favourite because he already beat 2 of his 3 biggest Quarterback opponents head to head and just won a Super Bowl rematch. The numbers are way off but the odds are reflecting that he is too good to stay at this level of production all season and that KC are heavy favourites to have the best regular season record across both conferences.

Project forwards and if we can get a bit healthier and go 16-1 then unless Baltimore or Detroit go undefeated until the end of the season to get to 15-2 or better and with the AFC and NFC North both being stacked and likely to beat each other up that seems unlikely.

The real MVP of it was most valuable person would be Spags.

Steve Owen was a great coach, IMO. He built up the Giants and coached in an era when the playoffs was the championship game. He didn't have a chance to pad his record against #6 and #7 seeds.

Nothing at all wrong with being balanced. That’s actually a good thing, but it will impact Mahomes’ numbers and his odds of winning MVP x3.

I don't know how those other coaches faired, but I think Marty did suffer from a lot of bad luck, especially his last season with SD. In his 13 playoff games he only lost by more than 1 score 4 times.

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3
5
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23
17
10
10
3
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Those are the point differentials he lost each playoff game by. He did everything right in his final Chargers game and the team ****ed it up. This is his turnover differential in each playoff loss and what the offense ranked that year in turnovers during the regular season.

1-1 #11
3-1 #1
4-1 #4
2-3 #10
1-2 #2
4-3 #2
3-1 #1
2-1 #8
2-0 #9
4-1 #1
0-2 #2
1-0 #3
4-3 #1

That is 31 turnovers committed by his offenses and 19 turnovers committed by the teams he played against. A -12 turnover differential in playoff games that he lost. That many turnovers for a coach that no one could argue didn't have some of the most disciplined teams in the league year after year and had about the least turnovers on offense every year. His defenses were stingy as shit and they were constantly in the top 10 in takeaways.

So his either something in the way he coached made his offense start turning the ball over and his defense stopped getting those turnovers. That or it was really shit luck. I'll say he had some really bad luck in the biggest games. Just like Frank Clark had the most luck I've ever seen in the biggest games.

Don't let the thread die. It took me way too long to come up with all of that on my phone. Someone read it please lol