Again, don't disagree.

But at some point....you kinda gotta cut bait right? I mean, sometimes it's just not your year.

Over a 3rd rounder when you're chasing a 3-peat!?!?!?!

**** no.

It's a 3rd rounder, man. It has value, but it's not gonna make or break the next half-decade of Chiefs football.

A 1st wouldn't do that. As has been noted, we got barely backup RB caliber contributions from MEH as a 1st rounder and won 2 SBs anyway. We'd have been no worse with LaMichael Perine taking those snaps last season.

He's as fungible as fungible gets.

Arden Key will have made $7 million over the last 2 seasons to be MUCH better than FAU has been over that span. At a point, the roster spot is as valuable as the player when you're talking about the fairly middling returns that some of these guys will provide.

For 2 first rounders we could've called our shot on trades over the last several seasons and backfilled the MEH/FAU picks with...whatever. It wouldn't have been hard.

And yes, sometimes those picks are GK and McDuffie, which is why I'm not eager to give up a 1st. But a 3rd? Hell, a 2nd? You're going to pull the chute on the season rather than surrender that?

Naw, man. Hell no.

Hell, you know who's been a reasonably useful player for Carolina? And has a decent NFL career and good size? Mike Jackson at CB.

27 yrs old on an expiring minimum deal. Started in Seattle a couple years back. Nothing great - but he has a track record of experience adequacy. Not the greatest first line in a resume but it's not nothing.

Johnson and Jackson for the Titans 3rd? Why not?

If we're picking over that dead carcass give me Hubbard too.

I'd be more willing to give up more draft capital for more help now than less capital for less help now.

And sometimes that's how you have to pivot on a deal. If you're trying to get something done and the other side says "I HAVE to have X" and you've done everything you can to get to yes without giving up X, then you can start to peck away on the return instead. "Okay, I can give you X, but I have to have A and B..."

Just how it works sometimes when someone gets intransigent. But you can still get to a mutually beneficial arrangement that way. Because it's that, or you call a bluff and maybe it works. But maybe you end up watching Skyy Moore take meaningful snaps in January.

If the answer is a 6th for DeMarcus Robinson or a 2nd for Hubbard, Johnson and Jackson - I'm taking the latter over the former (and then still doing the former).

This isn't the time for penny slots, IMO.

Brooks is about to return...so they might listen.

This. So much this.

Our second rounder will likely only be 10 spots or fewer better than that Titans 3rd rounder.

I wouldn’t draw the line at a third rounder to get our guy.

And, I hate giving up picks for the record. Kinda have to this time though.

Does anybody have Phillip Gaines' phone number?

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Man that's a rough break if it got both bones.

Same thing I would tell Lions fans pining for Aidan Hutchinson to return in the Super Bowl - if your team makes it that far without him, adding a lesser version of the player into the lineup isn't gonna be necessary at that point.

See ya in 2025, Wat Island.

Welcome Keith

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have signed CB Keith Taylor to the active roster and have placed CB Jaylen Watson on Injured Roster.</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1848813706039463997?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jaylen today hinted on twitter that he's not out for the rest of the season. He's since deleted it but if we can get him back early January that would be epic.

I refuse to believe this. I think he’ll be back in January

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Xavien Howard on line 1

Wish in one hand and poop in another and see which one fills up first.

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DO IT VRETCH!!

Sign every player that gets cut from every team, including the NBA. Convert shooting guards to corner and they will instantly be Pro Bowlers.

Do it Brett!

Hmm, doesn't look real good according to the advanced defense table: 120 passer rating and 70% completion, allowing 6 TDs last year while starting 15 games, hasn't started any games this year. :shrug:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...tailed_defense

Maybe if we sign him the Mike Hughes douche fan will return!

Well he's 25 years old, 6'2 and ran a 4:46. He also appears to do well in cover 2, cover 3 and quarters coverage schemes.

Bottom line is did Veach and Spags rate him highly in the draft? And Is he a scheme fit? He might have had ups and downs with the Vikings but we all know our coach's history when it comes to corners. And Watson had a bad year last year but looked great this year so who knows what could happen with this guy?

Fact is we've got Johnson and Taylor on this roster. So if he's better than those two you grab him. Veach openly admitted that he tried to get Lattimore so he's not blind.

This is a racist post

Akaylab may be one of those dogs sports franchises are urging players to get

Evans is a grabby guy who is best in zone coverage.

I wouldn’t have huge hopes it clicks here, but maybe?

Can he rush the passer?

Former Tiger - was...okay.

Definitely the better of the two Tulsa transfers we got but he was never quite as good as the hype he got in the transfer portal that season. Abrams Draine was the #1 CB that year.

Another poor game by Johnson. Connor hasn't been good lately too. Hope we get this Evans guy or Veach better call Howard, because it's a clear issue.

Yip

I’d guess, knowing Veach, If he’s got potential to be better that what we have, you sign him.

We won't make another move for the rest of the year. This is it guys.

The same was said about the LT spot :D

That is the last move. I was always under the impression they would try to make a move there.

Veach openly said he tried to get Lattimore. They know CB is an area of concern. So i still think he has one more move In him.

Nope.

Johnson isn't playing well but neither are Jones, McDuffie, the safeties, Bolton. If your best players aren't playing well, you can't expect Nazeeh Johnson to be different. The top guys need to step up. We know the personnel isn't the issue. We've won Championships with these players. They just need to man up.

They’ve made 3, why not 4?

It’s a technique issue. According to Charles Davis we can make contact or run thru the receiver as long as the corner is looking back. No DPI then. Ha

OK Brett :thumb:

Jaylen posted some pics today on his IG. It's the first pics of himself since the surgery. From the pictures he appears to be walking around with no boot or anything on. It's been over five weeks since he got injured so hopefully him walking around right now is a good sign that his rehab is going well.

Very true! Add to that, McDuffie is not playing slot (where he excelles) nearly as much as he used to, and that changes things a lot, from coverages to blitz's, the dynamics change. Now, add to thatvery inconsistent play from CB2, and lack of pressure from thecdown 4, and it's no wonder why there are problems.

It's been fascinating evidence of just how fragile the balance is between success and failure. The interdependence of the "less than a second" that determines a clean pocket/pressure/sack and a pick/pass defensed/completion is remarkable. Good news is, the Chiefs are tenths of a second from success again on D, the bad news is, they have been for a month and can't seem to find a way to close that gap.

Chris Jones - 3 sacks

I know he's getting doubled (at least) every play, but still...

I was looking at football reference and Jones only has 2.5 playoff sacks too!!!

Would be nice if our 1st round DEs could do something positive. George Karlaftis and FAU have a combined 5.5 sacks on the year. Two first round picks through 11 games with only 5.5 sacks. That is weak.

Pretty silly to lump Karlaftis and FAU together considering Karlaftis has almost all of those sacks.

Nazeeh played well in Carolina. He’s been in a position to make QB’s make very difficult outside throws while he’s in sticky coverage. I’m not gonna get on him about obvious OPI in Buffalo bc that’s bullshit. Let’s see.

Conner is who you should be worried about. He’s been a disaster the last 2 games

In 2018, Chad Henne and Patrick Mahomes combined to throw for over 5,000 yards and 50 TDs.

But he's actually not.

Coverage Ratings:

Watson (before injury): 74.2
Nazeeh Johnson: 47.8
Chamarri Conner: 67.4
Trent McDuffie: 68.6

He’s double teamed on 2 of every 3 pass sets and wins 1 of every 5 according to ESPN. Best win rate amongst DTs while double teamed at one of the highest rates.

Let’s not get this twisted - Jones is a ****ing professional terror.

lol people knocking on CJ95 again? In a Jaylen Watson thread?

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Have the medics signed off this piece of shit yet?

Intended to be a comment on the resources spent- two first round picks; not intended to be assign blame individually. But if you want to look at them individually, fine:

George has 4 sacks in 11 games in his third year.

FAU has 1.5 sacks in 11 games in his second year.


I don't think it matters much how you group them. They simply aren't producing to the level you expect from 1st round draft picks. Maybe they will improve at some point but at the moment they are underperforming.

Karlaftis, at least as a pass rusher, is definitely having a bit of a down year, but he's still a really good all-around player and more than worth his draft selection. This is silly.

Assuming all other major players stay healthy, whether or not Watson comes back will determine my confidence in getting the 3 peat going into the playoffs.

Yep. When he went down, I thought that would be the injury that would be the killer.

My eye test tells me Nazeeh has been a good bit worse.

Something I wanted to mention about the game yesterday: Nazeeh got beat on a long Meyers pass. Kirk said he was not on the same page and expecting safety help over the top.

I was watching Johnson just before the snap on the very next play (he was on the far side of the field for that play) and the Raiders motioned. Looking at Nazeeh’s body language, I thought to myself “he doesn’t know what his responsibility is now”. You could see he was raising his hands low-key like he was confused.

The very next drive he was benched. I bet those two plays had a lot to do with it. Can’t be out there if you don’t know the plays.

George brings so much more to the table. And Im not sure he is underperforming, when you consider where he was picked. He was never considered to be a consistent double-digit sack guy, 10 sacks was considered to be his ceiling. He was expected to be a "high motor guy" and thats what he is. He plays the run well, he bats balls down and he's a factor out there.
On the other hand, FAU does none of that.

Damn. I keyed on the same thing yesterday— not quite as acutely as you articulated above, but it often seems like he’s in over his head. I have zero understanding of how complex Spag’s system may be (or any defensive scheme for that matter) but Johnson doesn’t have the athletic ability, or maybe the intuition of someone like Marcus Peters to know where to be that can mask his mistakes. Probably a poor example, but Nazeeh can’t solve complex problems on the fly; he’s not terrible in run support, though.

George now has 5 sacks in 12 games.

He probably finishes the year with 7-10.

He isn’t the problem.

Exactly.

Yup. Holthus said at half that he noticed Dave Merritt was a “raging inferno”.

He doesn’t play with that shit. You don’t know your responsibility then you’re out.

While watching the replay of the Raiders game I caught that the announcers said the Chiefs are hoping to get Watson back for the playoffs.

That’s the first I’ve heard of that and it was said as if they were told that directly.

Should we be excited?

I'll wait till I hear it from a broadcast team that isn't at commercial break during actual plays.

At what point did that happen?

I remember them saying it too. They didn't give any sources on it though. Not sure when.

A while back it was my understanding when all these guys were going down that we would have everybody back by the end of the season and at least by the playoffs.

Jaylen Watson just posted "Never count me out" on his twitter ya'll o:-)

Looks like he's following in Omenihu's footsteps with the cryptic tweets.

All the smoke seems to be that he's coming back at some point!!..just have to wait and pray. Would be so epic if he comes back in time for the playoffs.

Every time this gets bumped and its not actual news it makes me want to tag team someone at the George Brett statue with The Guardian.

He’s coming back - next season

Just get him back for AFC championship game

AKA the Buffalo matchup...

man that would be huge

Jaylen at 80% of what he was just allows us to be a lot different on defense, can put Trent back on Shakir if we want

The reports by Jeremy Fowler after he got injured were "he has a shot to be back for a playoff run". Google says his injury usually takes up to three months to recover from. That would mean he could realistically return around mid to late January. If his rehab is ahead of schedule like Hollywood's is (original reports said he'd miss the entire regular season) then he might have a small chance of making it back for the game at Denver.

Bottom line is...

1. His latest pictures on IG show him wearing normal shoes (no injury boot) and walking around.

2. When Daniel Harms on twitter said to someone "Watson is out for the year", Jaylen replied to him and said "Who said that?".

3. Now out of the blue he's saying "never count me out"

So the pics provide physical proof that his injury has healed to the point that he's walking around fine and wearing normal shoes. His response to Daniel confirms what the original reports stated about him having a chance to return for the playoffs. And his latest hint suggests rehab is on schedule. We just have to wait and see now. The fact that KC never made a move to replace him makes me think they expect him back tbh.

Now if Williams goes on a good run of games and we do get Watson back, then our secondary could be in a good place come playoff time. We'll see.

I've been sayin' it for awhile, folks...

I've always thought Jaylen was gonna make it back for the post-season...

If Rodgers can come back from an Achilles tear in 10 weeks then nothing else surprises me

Buffalo won’t beat us at full strength.

Ain’t no way

Do we have anything other than hopes and prayers that Watson will be back?

I'm using Cook as my metric.

By many accounts, Cook was close but not quite in his return from his ankle issue last season and he went down in week 13. So by the SB that would've been about 10 weeks out.

Watson went down in week 5.

And yes, Watson broke his ankle, but in the case of a serious ankle injury like this, it ISN'T the bone that's the problem - it's the ligaments. And Cook had a tight-rope procedure in his ankle last season which is about as serious as it gets apart from a full replacement.

We have no indication that Watson had anything replaced so it's most likely that, as part of the broken ankle, he also had a tight-rope procedure done. And his injury came 8 weeks prior to Cooks. Given a similar recover timeline from the tight-rope and ligament damage (presuming that the break will be healed well before that), we're looking at about a 10-12 week recovery time.

At his age, with the training staff and facilities he has available to him, 12 weeks is a reasonable expectation on a tight rope procedure.

I just don't see any reason at all to write him off unless there's a setback. Without a setback, that level of injury is absolutely one he can recover from by the post-season.

Pacheco + Omenihu + Humphries + Watson + Hollywood for the stretch run is so HUGE. It would shore up all our weaknesses.