So the only choice is to pay him $50 million/yr? And what if he ends up being closer to Danny Dimes than Aaron Rodgers?


I mean not for nothing, but look at the list of QBs making more than $40 million/yr:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contract...erage/dir/desc


How many of those guys are really worth those contracts? Even excluding Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and Stafford (we'll just assume they're all worth their $$$), how many of those guys earned their $$$ last year or since they got their new contracts? 1? 2? not very many.

I mean, I get that the QB market dictates what they get paid. But I would do everything in my power in GB to avoid putting my entire franchise in a massive cap hole just because Jordan Love played well for 8 whole games last season when he was close to being called a bust prior to Week 9 last year.

The market is the market. Green Bay can let him walk. Someone else will pay him.

If you want to keep him, yeah.

The team has the choice to let him walk, but there’s a reason teams almost never do that.

I understand that a lot of what goes into contract talks is what’s been done, but you’re really paying the guy for what he’s about to do. The front office and coaching staff see Love every day in practice. They should have a good idea of his potential, especially after a HoF QB just left the franchise.

Well, all I can say is I wouldn't do it. Not $50M. I might structure the contract so that it looks superficially like he could make $50M/yr, but the real $$$ wouldn't equal more than $40M/yr tops. 8 decent games is just way too small a sample size.

Then he would walk. I think as important as the QB position is these days, combined with the lack of overall talent there (there's only about 5-7 people on the planet that can do it a high level) you have to pay him. His agent knows it too, so they have all the leverage here.

I hear you, but letting a potential franchise QB walk is not a good look. You play hardball, Love holds out, you lose a ****ton of games, Love walks, you’re back on the QB carousel for however long.

There’s a good chance you’d get fired or overridden by ownership before it gets that far.

Yep, he's shown enough they gotta take their chances. Based on what we saw I think it's a pretty good bet to take.

You don't have to let him walk now, you can force his hand and make him play out the season before committing huge $.

Sure, but if he has another good season, you have even less leverage with 0 cost-controlled years left.

Or he actually does hold out for a good deal of games and you lose a bunch of them for being a tight ass.

Yah, at the very least, I'd want to see him play an entire season of good football before I hand him $50M/yr for the next 5 years, not just 8 games.

You know, there's another question. Who's going to pay him? How many decent teams actually need a QB and have the cap space to shell out that kind of $$$? I mean, sure there's a lot of teams that could use a better QB, but how many have the space to get it done, and are good enough besides the QB to make that switch palatable to Love?

If the Packers were concerned about seeing body of work before committing, they really shouldn’t have ****ed themselves by sitting the guy for the first three years of his career and declining the 5th-year option.

They did this to themselves.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

Take a look at the cap space by tab. Looking into the future, 2025, 2026, etc.

There are a ton of teams who could make it work.

Teams would be lining up for that bidding war. If Green Bay doesn't want Love they should trade him for what would be an absolute haul of picks.

This is all academic, though. Reports sound like a deal is close. Probably done this week so we can all see for ourselves what the price tag was.

Yeah, it's just a fun hypothetical exercise. Sure GB will retain him, it's just a question of whether they screw themselves a la DAL and Dak for example, or if they find a way to mitigate some of the risk. My guess is the guaranteed $$$ will equate to about $40M/yr, but the contract superficially will look like $50M/yr.

That's quite nice for JLove. I hope he gets a very large contract, maybe he can eventually join the 3 comma club.

Came out of nowhere a bit but the statement sounded like they're close. It will be an interesting contract to see.

I’d feel very comfortable giving him the going rate… Tua on the other hand… not a chance. That will be a Daniel Jones 2.0 situation

8 to 10 decent games and people defend this bullshit ROFL Pathetic

Defending what? This is the new norm for NFL QBs. If teams are going to bend over backwards to hand even relatively average talent 50+ million annually and guarantee a huge portion of it, are we supposed to be mad at the players for taking advantage?

We don't need to blame a team for not wanting to give a guy with 1 full season of starts $50MM a year as well.

That's fine, if they don't feel comfortable paying him the best available option is to trade him. Because there's a handful of teams that gladly would.

Anyone with eyes could see he was an ascending player. One of the best QB’s in the league last year and a historic playoff debut.

They’re going to pay him

I'd also feel pretty confident paying him because he's one of the only elite talents at the position in the NFC.

Heck, maybe GB should threaten to trade him. Look at that list of teams that could be in the market. Is he really going to want to end up in the AFC-E/AFC-N/AFC-W? In the AFC at all, for that matter with Mahomes reigning supreme for likely the next ten years and probably more?

Meanwhile, I doubt ARI will be in the market after forking over the dumbass contract they just gave Kyler.

WAS probably won't be asking anytime soon, and even if they do, they're in the NFC-E with PHI and DAL.

DET just paid Goff $50M so they're out.

About the only teams that might be worth it to Love would be what, the Titans or the Bucs if Levis and Baker don't work out by 2025?

I mean, if he wants the $$$ that badly, maybe trade him for a shit-ton of picks/players and let him go try to be successful with one of those teams. Good luck to ya, pal.

He was 'elite' for his last 8 games. The previous 19 games he was on the verge of being a bust, or so I was told repeatedly.

His playoff win was pretty solid but if you go back and look at their schedule, who they played, who they beat, its pretty damn meh.

Flash in the pan

Yea his "elite" play is still a very small sample size. He may be a stud in the end and I think he could be but its a hell of a gamble to pay him now.

But that's the NFC, and I don't see any reason to think it's going to change in the near future.

He's already one of the best in the conference.

I'm just talking from a talent/traits perspective. I'm not at all saying he's there yet, but he certainly flashed just that last year.

Theoretically sure. But top 5 in a shit conference doesn't mean you deserve top 5 overall $$$$.

I get why he is trying to get $ now but I also get why GB wants to be smart about it.

Just look at the landscape of the NFC long term.

The 49ers have a small window, as do the Eagles. Stafford will be retiring soon. The Lions aren't going to sustain their success beyond a couple more years with a guy like Goff at QB.

The Bears are the only team other than the Packers that are set up to have a 5-6 year window with some potentially great QB play. I just don't see any reason not to roll the dice on the guy.

But he was legitimately good, and he beat us with our defense albeit with a little bit of luck, and he did it in the playoffs. The only issue is the sample size. He has the talent and the tools though, so it's worth the gamble.

The Chiefs beat the Chiefs for the most part. That game was epic failure but kudos for the win.

GB also lost to the Falcons, Raiders, Steelers, & Giants.

Yes Love has shown major potential I am just not sure I give him huge $ yet. He could be Deshaun Watson.

And the alternative is? Trading him? C’mon man

No the alternative is making him play on his contract this year. No idea why you think its pay him or trade him. He doesn't have any leverage.

How big a contract on the open market would Love get right now today? It aint $50MM a year.

$50M/yr is a pretty expensive roll of the dice on 8 games is all I'm saying. I mean, I get why they would pay him that kind of $$$. Just saying I wouldn't.

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He plays well this year he can guarantee the $50MM per after this season.

I wonder if he wouldn't agree to take a big increase on his deal this year and look for a new deal next year.

Edit: just checked and they show $28MM in cap space. I might eat $10MM of that to bump Loves pay to buy another year of evaluation.

That's kind of where I was going earlier. Give him some kind of extension that gives him a big increase this year, and somehow structure it so the team has an out after 2025 or whatever. I just wouldn't throw a long super-expensive deal on the table just because he found his ass for 8 games, possibly hamstringing my franchise for the next 5+ years if he regresses back to 'almost a bust' status.

Another franchise-crippling contract coming soon!

He’d easily get $60+ million. He’s 25 and was 2nd in the league in TD’s, 7th in passing yards and 11th in QB rating as a first year starter.

Guarantee a team like the Raiders and Giants would pay that. The Saints would dump Carr and pay it, the Panthers and Titans would pay it if their rookie QB’s from last year suck again this year.

Don’t forget that next years QB class sucks balls which would help him even more.

I've been wrong before and will be wrong again. Still not sure about that. I guess we will get to see how it plays out.

It's a roll of the dice if you're paying just about any QB that isn't Mahomes or Allen these days. Stroud probably too eventually.

All of these guys, even Burrow and Lamar, were risky contracts.

Lawrence didn't just get paid what he did because of how he's played. All of the guys in that tier are getting paid for what you hope they continue to grow into. I don't see a significant difference between paying Love and a guy like Lawrence. I actually feel better about Love growin into a QB worthy of that money.

I'd be much more concerned about the small sample size if Love didn't have the athleticism, talent, and tools to be great.

Yeah, the issue is, none of the QBs in this tier or even near this tier ever hit the open market at this age. So it’s absolutely impossible to peg what their value would be because you can’t use any of the existing contracts as those weren’t fully open market deals.

Lamar is as close as it’s comes and any team that would’ve signed him would’ve had to give up 2 1’s. And that’s, uh, a big deal.

I’m not surprised the Love discussions are complicated. He did exactly what he was supposed to do in a limited sample size and I’m sure he’s trying to negotiate off of that being the norm while the Packers are applying some discount.

I think it’s similar to Trevor Lawrence but at least the Lawrence body of work has more data points. The flip side is we’ve seen the Lawrence inconsistency with high highs and somewhat low lows while Love really only truly excelled to this level late in the season.