No, it's not about one ****ing game dumbass. I'm simply pointing to the most recent tape and a game we all watched because the tape does not lie.

Deebo is who he is. You aren't even addressing my argument, you're just saying "nuh uh" and pointing to stats.

Aiyuk is their X. He's the guy running all the big boy routes, not Deebo. Deebo has to be schemed the ball while Aiyuk is out there running a full route tree. You have absolutely no ****ing clue what you're talking about.

Deebo isn't getting open consistently against cover corners like Sneed or McDuffie healthy or not because he's not that guy.

Agreed. Deebo isn't the type of WR with those kinds of route-running skills. He's kind of a hybrid between a WR/HB. But that ability to play like a receiver or a ball-carrier, and line up anywhere is what makes him a little harder to defend than a pure WR, imo. We'll see how SF dals with the situation, but if I had to guess, I'd keep Deebo, for those reasons. Well, and Deebo would be cheaper. Now, if I thought Deebo was going to continue having injury issues over the next three or so years, I might rethink that.

Would I like Aiyuk on the Chiefs, of course, but we can’t fit him into this roster.

Saw an article about Alvin Kamara, however, and I’m curious what you guys think?

He’s not shown up to camp, says the team has no identity, and apparently wants an extension.

We’re a bit light at RB, currently, and a Pachecco + Kamara duo would be the best backfield in the league.

Our extra 3rd and a 3-year extension? He’s at $18m now, could probably bring that hit down with signing bonus & extension.

Problem is we’ll probably want to resign Pachecco too and I don’t see us paying 2 RBs relatively high value contracts.

And I think that skill set is why a guy like Aiyuk would be considered the more valuable asset. For instance, nobody is more important than CMC, but you aren't paying CMC what you'd pay Aiyuk, right? Why? Because he's a RB. Deebo is like a hybrid, and that factors into the value from a monetary perspective, and it's also why he's always hurt.

Not sure that we aren't talking past each other here.


I mean, yeah, Deebo plays a hybrid role, so I'd imagine he'd be cheaper to retain than Aiyuk, who is obviously a WR, and a top-10 or so WR at that.

But on the field, well, it's a fact that when Deebo hurt his shoulder last season, SF lost three games in a row just like that. Which tells me that Deebo is pretty important to the efficiency of that offense, regardless of how much his 'position' commands on the open market.

Same with CMC for that matter. RBs don't command much $$$ in today's NFL, but there's no question that CMC is the most important offensive skill player on that team, just from a scoring perspective. With him, they scored about 30pts/gm, and without him only 23 or 24 pts/gm. From a purely scoring POV, CMC should be getting paid a lot more $$$, imo. He's just unlucky in that he's playing in an era when RBs just aren't highly valued on the open market.

That offense as a whole absolutely cratered the 3 game stretch Deebo was out. Scored 17 points each in all 3 games, worst mark of the whole year for them. I think Aiyuk is a very good player that also benefits quite a bit from the talent around him

Staylor you are making a bad argument. Tyreek Hill couldn’t get open against our DBs. Doesn’t mean he is worse than BA.

Debo is better than BA. BA was open because we were making sure Debo wasn’t open. Along with Kittle.

After the nightmare that was using a 1st round pick on CEH I dont think Veach will ever invest heavily in running back in any way shape or form draft/trade/free agency. Not as long as Mahomes is under center.

Yeah, I mean Kamara is still a legit RB1, imo, so I don't see how we make that work, unless Kamara just decides he's good with becoming a backup to Pacheco. Would be freaking nice though, no doubt. Pacheco and Kamara in the same backfield? That would be epic.

No, you guys are just not understanding my argument at all.

Deebo is a fantastic playmaker. He's very important to that offense and, I guess you could even argue that he's more "important", but I'm talking about value as an asset.

Again, CMC is more important than anybody, but that doesn't mean you are paying him WR money.

Aiyuk is the X WR. He's the guy running the big boy routes. That's more valuable, and it's a role/position that has less wear and tear than a RB or WR/RB hybrid (Deebo).

Okay, that's what I thought; you're using 'value' a little differently than I was. Now I'm on the same page with you.

I'm going to post this again, because it's a 49ers insider making this same point:


There's a reason the most recent smoke is about them trading Deebo to keep Aiyuk.

He’s the king of bad arguments.

“wAtCh ThE tApE”

Mf acts like he’s in the building with Reid and Spags watching film lmfaoooooo what a blowhard

Holy shit you're such a disingenuous bundle of sticks. There is tape out there. You don't need to be Reid or Spags to watch it and see who's the guy running the big boy routes & getting open and who's the hybrid WR/RB that isn't.

You have no argument, and you won't actually address mine. All you're saying is "nuh uh".

Under 4 ypc the last 3 years, lol.

Look who he's been playing for.




And let's not forget how many people thought CMC was trash before he got traded to SF. Made a lot of 'experts' look like absolute fools. Give Kamara a decent OL, some other weapons to take some of the focus off of him, and a good OC and let's see what happens.

Uhh, who the hell ever thought CMC was trash? He was legit their only weapon for literal years. The knock on him has always been durability.

Oh there were a few people in here that actually used the word 'trash,' iirc. Don't remember their handles right now, but they know who they are. Went a few rounds with them on the subject in some thread right before he went to SF, because I was dumb enough to say Veach should try and get him, for whatever the cost.

In the basement reviewing tape and arguing on this internet bulletin board while his kids play catch with the wife’s bf.

Rent free still I see. Holy **** you're obsessed. Get help weirdo.

Waiting at your keyboard in the stale air of your basement, poised for someone to respond to your shitty takes so you can pop a blood vessel and go off on another angry rant… misspell free.

The irony when you always pop into threads when I'm arguing with somebody else to try and team up like the little cheerleading bundle of sticks that you are.

You don't even have anything to contribute to the discussion. This is all because I hurt your feels one day.

I don't give a single shit about you, but you're obsessed with me.

Aiyuk is so much better than Deebo. McDuffie handles Deebo so easily in the SB.

He’s really just a YAC player. Aiyuk is a much better route runner and downfield threat.

My argument is clear. Meanwhile you’re saying shit like this:

No one in this thread agrees with that. Not one front office rep would agree with that. Not one of the 9ers 53-man roster would agree with that.

Your opinion is trash and you are clearly blind. Your “eye test” is stricken from the record.

You give so few shits that you make all the extra clicks to send me queer little messages through the ancient reputation system.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...ition-rankings

LMAO

You are so ****ing clueless that it's cute.

This has nothing to do with the eye test. May argument is very clear. Aiyuk is their WR1, not Deebo. You don't pay your WR2 more than your WR1 because he's "versatile".

This entire argument of how the 49ers performed without him is dumb too. We never saw them without Aiyuk. Of course a team with a pumpkin needs all their playmakers to be a great offense, especially a guy that they depend on in the run and passing game to scheme easy touches.

Stuck behind a paywall

Execs, coaches, and scouts rank Aiyuk top 10. Deebo is HM.

I also posted a 49ers insider saying the 49ers would value Aiyuk more because he's the better receiver (obvious).

You're so ****ing clueless and you don't know what you don't know.

It’s hilarious when stalor is so fired up he hammers out a quick post, submits it, thinks about it, gets even more worked up, and then comes back to edit more garbage material into the original post.

Post the full article here for me to read

Are you going to contribute to the discussion or are you going to continue to try to make it all about me, your obsession?

90% of your posts in this thread are you going after one specific person. You made your comment about Aiyuk staying in San Francisco this year and were quiet (thankfully, for the rest of us) until your personal obsession posted his opinion. It’s been downhill since - especially for your blood pressure.

**** no. That shit is a pain in the ass, as you can't just copy and paste it all at once, at least from mobile. Do you think I'm lying or something?

With 2024 NFL training camps on the horizon, the league's true insiders made their voices heard. ESPN surveyed league executives, coaches and scouts to help us rank the top 10 players at 11 different positions, from quarterback to cornerback and all positions in between. This was the fifth edition of these rankings, and as usual, several players moved up or fell off last year's lists.

A reminder of the rankings process: Voters gave us their best 10 players at a position, then we compiled the results and ranked candidates based on number of top-10 votes, composite average and dozens of interviews, with research and film study help from ESPN NFL analyst Matt Bowen. In total, nearly 80 voters submitted a ballot on at least one position, and in many cases all positions. Additional voting and follow-up calls with those surveyed helped us break any ties.

And like I said Aiyuk was 10th after breaking a tie with Kupp. Deebo got HM as well. This easily disrpoves your stupid ****ing claim.

Adding Kamara to Pacheco would be great, but it’s just not realistic. I don’t think we would be able to afford him. And even if we could, I don’t think he would be good value for what we would have to pay him. Just before the season starts some team with good depth at running back will cut someone that will help us out. I don’t know who. But there’s so many teams with better depth at RB than us that I’m pretty sure that’s likely scenario.

Deebo, CM, and Kittle are all top 61 in the NFL top 100, but I didn’t see Aiyuk in there.

LMAO

Yea, because the players know better than coaches, execs, and scouts.

This is why I wanted you to attempt to get into the discussion. I knew you had jack shit.

Pretty sure San Francisco will be able to keep both of them this year, but next year when they have to pay Purdy, they will have to make a choice. I expect they’ll choose Debo. Ayuk is a better pure “wide receiver” but Debo is more valuable. It will also be easier for them to draft another WR who’s probably about as good as Ayuk. There are a lot of guys you could argue are in the same class as him. He is definitely not one of the elite receivers. I don’t think they’re going to draft somebody who provides what Debo does. He’s kind of a unicorn but that assumes he doesn’t go back into getting injured.

Oh shit, I forgot your input is always right and anyone attempting conversation with you is better off diving into a trash compactor.

I suppose guys like Scott Pioli or other ‘execs’ and college scouts know what makes a better, more valuable player than other NFL players.

Odd. In 2023, Aiyuk was 7th in total receiving yards with 1,342, 2nd in avg/yds per catch with 17.9, 3rd overall in plays over 20 yards with 28, 9th in avg yds per game with 83.9, and 8th overall in First Downs with 61. He probably should be on that list.

This logic is flawed.

A WR1 is still more "valuable" than a WR2 that can play RB too.

I think so many of you are missing this aspect of team building and roster construction. It's not debatable, Aiyuk is 100% their WR1, and you don't choose your WR2 over your WR1 all things even. If Deebo is the significantly cheaper option, then that's a reason, but not "versatility".

So you're really going to try and argue that the players know better?

LMAO

There's not a single exec, coach, or scout that would've ever preferred Lamar over Pat at any time. There were many players, and probably even some that still would. Players have absolutely no ****ing clue in comparison to execs, coaches, and scouts.

You think Kadarius Toney's opinion matters more than Veach and Reid? LMAO

Probably should be on the list somewhere. I think it probably points to how the player is valued by peers more than just ‘is this guy a prototypical position player?’

I mean, who knows how players think? Or any of these guys. Maybe it's just a function of how much primetime they get.

Amon-Ra should've easily made the Pro-Bowl but wasn't selected. Only the AP paid enough attention to select him to the All-Pro first team offense.


A few years ago, iirc, Mike Evans said in a presser that Jameis Winston was an elite QB.


Stuff like that makes me seriously question just how discerning most players really are.

Neither players or management are infallible. Just like you and me. You think any of the executives, coaches, or scouts really do some soul searching for an espn survey? Like they’ve got some big board and are debating whether copper kupp is 1% worse than Aiyuk?

Your opinion is Aiyuk is more valuable than Deebo. Nice, that’s great - don’t be such a **** about it.

Could be a little bit of that. I don’t know if the media knows what makes a better player than other players or coaches or scouts. Might be a better unbiased ranking for that season’s performance. There needs to be some kind of metacritic score that piles it all together. Except for the fans opinions.

That's not the argument. Coaches, execs, and scouts still have a much better idea of where those guys rank than players. That's just a fact.

Also, Virus literally said that not a single exec would choose Aiyuk over Deebo. That's why I posted that. Keep up.

Decades ago, I believed that a lot of the sports journalists out there were decent evaluators of player talent. These days not so much. But they do have the benefit of not having a real stake in the players, which you can't say about their teammates.


I would tend to think that GMs and scouts would have a better idea of who is better than who though. They should, you would think anyway.

Well it’s difficult to debate an argument I can’t even read but if you say it, I suppose I stand corrected.

.. though I do find that absurd. Who would put Aiyuk in their top 10 by any metric?

Tyreek Hill
Justin Jefferson
Amon-Ra St Brown
AJ Brown
Ceedee Lamb
Jamarr Chase
Davante Adams

I don’t think anyone would argue that these guys are automatically better than Aiyuk.

Nico Collins, DJ Moore, and Puka Nacua all outproduced Aiyuk with worse QBs on worse offense with fewer weapons. They’re mostly younger than Aiyuk as well.

Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, Stefon Diggs and Amari Cooper are all older than Aiyuk but had near-enough production despite sometimes having worse QB situations.

DK Metcalf, Terry Mclaurin, Chris Olave, George Pickens, Cooper Kupp.. hell, is Aiyuk any better than Chris Godwin? Lol.

Having him top 10 is crazy to me.

I like Pittman.

I wanted the Chiefs to trade for him.


But under even the best rankings of any kind he falls somewhere between 25 and 30 of all NFL receivers.

Your definition of "alpha" is what is hilarious. The **** does that mean, catch a lot of passes? So was Michael Thomas the alpha you wanted?


It's such a dumb, arbitrary term. An alpha just means WR1, out here changing whole games with his play. That's Ja'marr Chase first and foremost. That's what an 'alpha' is, if forced to use that idiotic term.

I agree Debo will come cheaper than Aiyuk and that’s one of the reasons I think SF if they have to choose, will keep Debo.

I think this is a good discussion, but it’s a little unclear what we’re debating.

I think there’s a general consensus. Debo is more important.

I think there’s a general consensus Aiyuk is a better WR, but if Debo ever has a season like he has several years ago, that would be a hard argument to sustain.

There are split views on who they would choose to keep if they have to make that choice.

And then there are different perspectives on what the word “value “means. But I think that’s too subjective to really matter.

To me the key issue is, who will they choose if they have to choose. And I think the split views will continue on that. And clearly it’s a very hard choice. Both of them are great players and key components of the San Francisco offense.

I read a few pages from yesterday. I'm with Staylor Aiyuk is more valuable and should be prioritized. I'm surprised there's even an argument for deebo. He's just a high end gadget.

Uh, think you got some of your math and your QB evaluations wrong here.

First of all, pretty much everyone on your list above had significantly more targets than Aiyuk.

In Tyreek's/CeeDee Lamb's/Nacua's/AJ Brown's/Keenan Allen's and J. Chase's cases, they all saw anywhere from 45-75 more targets than Aiyuk last season.

And yet, only five of them had more total receiving yards.


Only G. Pickens had a higher Y/A.

Only Tyreek and Lamb had more receiving plays over 20 yards. They both had 29, Aiyuk had 28. So big diff there.

And not for nothing, but just exactly how did Nico Collins out-perform Aiyuk? He had nearly 50 fewer yards, a lower Yards per catch average, fewer big plays and fewer 1st downs. Please shed some light on this one.


And how are you evaluating QBs these days? Case in point, just how on God's green Earth do you put Purdy above Matt Stafford? Purdy above Stroud? I mean, I get Purdy had a really good year statistically (echoes of Alex Smith's 2017 season), but I doubt any scout/GM would say that Purdy was a better QB than Stafford.

That's just silly. And don't give me the "Purdy was statistically better," BS. If that's your premise, then by that reasoning, Purdy is better than Mahomes. Which is just ridiculous. Obviously.


As for this line:


No to DK (didn't outperform Aiyuk in any meaningful way), no to Terry, just lol to Olave and Pickens, Kupp may not ever get to his former HoF self (but I'm a Kupp fan so I'll give you this one) and Godwin?

I like Godwin, but just lol, no. Godwin is average to maybe a bit above average outside; he's a slot receiver. That's where he's always been at his best, where the vast bulk of his production has come from over his entire career, and last season when Canales tried to put him outside the experiment was a near-complete failure by all TB accounts.

In fact, it was during that losing streak TB had mid-season when Canales tried to put Godwin outside. Check his gamelogs, it wasn't great.

And their winning streak to finish the season came at the same time Godwin was put back in the slot.


Anyway, I look forward to reading your counter at this point. Especially about the QBs.

This is exactly what people used to say about Hill.

But hill became a top end receiver. Deebo never has. He’s still basically who he’s always been. Aiyuk has become what you hope receivers become when you use a high pick on them.

I was aware of that fact when I made my post. Aiyuk has a luxury that none of these other guys have and that’s being the FOURTH option in his own offense. Everyone else you mentioned is the guy in their respective offense. That’s the only reason Aiyuk was able to be so efficient with his targets if we’re being honest.

Yards per reception is such a volatile, variable stat that I don’t think it matters much. Aiyuk’s YPR last year was more than 3 yards higher than his career average. It’s most likely an extreme statistical outlier and that’ll be proven within the next few years.

Nico had 45 fewer yards and 1 more TD in 1 less game.

If you swapped the two, I think Aiyuk would struggle to match his numbers, while Collins would find it easier to do so being on such a star studded offense.

IMO, the season Collins had given the circumstances was more impressive that Aiyuk’s.

Did I put Purdy above Stafford and Stroud? I don’t remember saying that.

Maybe you’re confused from where I said “despite SOMETIMES having worse QB situations”. I mean, that should speak for itself. Purdy was 100% better last year than Baker, Watson/Flacco, Geno Smith, Derek Carr, Sam Howell, Pickett, etc.

Godwin may have been a stretch. As you can see, I included him at the very end as he is a step below any of the other names I mentioned.

But DK I think is a better, more talented WR than Aiyuk. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.

No to Terry and lol at Olave? Have you watched these dudes play. They’re dawgs. You put any of them on that SF offense with Deebo, CMC and Kittle drawing coverage away and they’d all go crazy.

Right. If you think Deebo is just a gadget guy, you don’t really watch the 9ers play.

You can argue that Aiyuk is a better pure WR all day. I don’t necessarily agree with that but I’ll entertain the argument. The issue is, you can’t just hand waive the fact that Deebo is the second most dangerous WR in the NFL with the ball in his hands. That’s part of the package of being an NFL receiver as well and Deebo is a LOT better at it than Aiyuk.

Plus, like others have mentioned, they lost three games in a row without Deebo last year, only scoring 17 PPG during that stretch. I think the proof is in the pudding.

Appanrelty many don't understand who the 49ers WR1 is, and that being versatile doesn't make their WR2 more valuable.

Terrible comparison. Like not even remotely close to the same guy.

Tyreek started off as a gadget guy, but he had some WR qualities you either have or don't have and he developed as a route runner.

Tyreek can run routes and separate consistently. Deebo can't. Tyreek is the Dolphins X WR and runs big boy routes. Aiyuk is the 49ers X, while Deebo gets schemed touches and runs mostly short to intermediate routes.

49ers consistently go to Kittle, Deebo, or CM in crunch time, gotta have five yard situations. That’s value. Throughout the Receiver documentary on Netflix, you get the sense Shannahan trusts those three over anyone else, including Aiyuk.

Funny how you guys are trying to run with this narrative that their leading receiver the last 2 years is their 4th option. 2,357 yards and 15 TDs.

LMAO

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.

Shanahan can say what he wants on a documentary specifically about Kittle and Deebo, but Aiyuk is the guy they value long term 100%.

Could be.

Could also be that SF runs a lot of condensed sets and the goal of those sets is to get the ball out quickly to a receiver running a short route.


Also, let's not forget who's throwing the ball in SF. Purdy is a good QB, but he's not been gifted with a strong arm or great accuracy downfield. So once Aiyuk runs past a certain yard-line, he's probably out of Purdy's effective range, right?


But yeah, in short yardage situations, I agree that the trio of CMC/Kittle/Deebo would be the most likely targets. Hell, I've been saying they aren't targeting Kittle enough for a couple seasons now. Regardless, if I'm the coach and the distance is 5 or less yards, hell yeah I'm throwing the ball to one of those guys over Aiyuk. That's their collective wheelhouse.

I think you summed up pretty well why Deebo is more valuable in the 49ers offense.

Aiyuk has far and away been their number 1 for a couple of seasons now. Some of that is due to injury to Deebo and some is just that he's developed into the better WR. Deebo is a good player and a chain mover but he's not in the same stratosphere as an overall WR as Aiyuk is. Aiyuk threatens all levels of the field.

I'd pay Aiyuk and dump Deebo next offseason if I were them.

I've listened to Middlekauf and Haberman for a long time, both SF guys with some Chiefs ties.

People in this thread are way off on Aiyuk. Deebo is basically a modified RB, he can't get open as a pure WR.

Yes, I know Virus is absolutely clueless.

Guys, without question Aiyuk is a top WR in this league. I’d say he probably makes the top 10, especially if he weren’t in the best offense in the league. Imagine him in a D Adams or C Lamb scenario where they have to force-feed him touches constantly bc he’s pretty much the only option, dude would eat! 1.3k yards in SFs offense, sharing all those balls and with B Purdy under center, that’s impressive. He’d shine even brighter elsewhere, would potentially crack the top 5 if he’s not already close.

“Can’t get open as a pure WR” lol

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I’m about 2 minutes into this highlight reel and I’ve already seen a couple slants, couple deep ins, couple comebacks, couple deep balls, a flag route, a simple screen, a swing pass and a handoff. AND THE VIDEO IS STILL JUST IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON.

I think the mistake people make in this situation is assuming that because his best work is done after the catch, he isn’t good before the catch. That simply isn’t true.

The truth is, when you have a RAC monster like Deebo, you want to get the ball in his hands as quickly as possible. Same concept we employed last year with Rashee. Same reason Tyreek Hill’s average depth of target is shorter than Aiyuk’s.

Even more on that, Deebo averages 9.7 yards per reception AFTER THE CATCH. On average, this ****er is going to give you a 1st down in just RAC every time he catches the ball. I don’t think people understand how incredible that is. Tyreek’s last year in KC, he averaged 11 yards per catch total. Even elite pass catching RBs like CMC and Jamaal Charles don’t average 10 yards of RAC per reception.

The problem is that you don't even understand that you're arguing against something that isn't even debatable.

Aiyuk is the X. Aiyuk is the WR1. Aiyuk is running the big boy routes. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Deebo is the WR2 and WR/RB hybrid that gets a lot of manufactured targets because he's fantastic with the ball in his hands. What he's not is a great route runner or separator.

I think a similar argument between the two would be Lamar Jackson vs Dak Prescott. In this situation, Lamar is Deebo and Dak is Aiyuk.

Is Dak a better pure passer than Lamar? Almost certainly. Due to that, is Dak’s playstyle more likely to lend itself to longevity and make him a safer financial investment? Yep, definitely.

Is Dak Prescott a better football player than Lamar Jackson? Absolutely ****ing not.

And neither is Aiyuk a better football player than Deebo.

I’m sorry. It’s just science.

What a stupid ****ing comparison and false equivalence.

Deebo and Aiyuk are on the same team, and the WR1/X is not Deebo. It's been this way for the last 2 years.

This argument just reinforces what an incredibly talented team San Francisco has. They have top 10 and even top 5 players in so many positions. Definitely CB, LB, DL, OT, TE, RB and 1 or maybe even 2 at WR. And I think you can make a case Purdy is a top 10 quarterback.

And yet they lost to us, should have lost to Detroit other than that fluke Ayuik touchdown, and got destroyed by the ravens. Hard to know what gives.

It’s great to be a Chiefs fan. We are so lucky. It must be so frustrating to be a San Francisco fan.

You keep saying this like it means that Aiyuk is better than Deebo when in reality it’s because Aiyuk can’t do the things Deebo can. Shanahan is an offensive guru. He knows it’d make no sense to make Deebo strictly an X and make Aiyuk the Z, which is the more vertatile position.

Was Tyreek even an X in KC?

Aiyuk isn't just the X, he's also the teams leading WR the last 2 years, and I know Deebo missed a lot of time, but he also had more YPG as well. He's their WR1 100%.

Again, you're trying to argue against facts. This isn't an opinion.

Here's the overwhelming majority of 49ers fans on Reddit acknowledging who their WR1 is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/49ers/comme...eebo_as_the_1/

Also, saying "Aiyuk can't do the things Deebo can" while not acknowledging that 100% goes both way proves how either disingenuous or clueless you actually are.

Deebo can't run routes or separate like Aiyuk, you know, two of the most important qualities in a WR.

Well, yeah. I said from the beginning that Deebo is more critical to the efficiency of the SF offense than Aiyuk.

The separate question is whether or not Aiyuk is a top-10 WR, which I believe he is. Statistically, it's not even a question. He's easily top-10 based off of his 2023 stats.

Great talent but they need that money for the QB next year after paying CMC and deebo.

Of course they can pay him probably but lose other pieces.

Wise thing is trade for 1sts and use that money.

But if they do pay and have to get rid of people next year. Kittle can form a great te tandem with Kelce here for a couple years.

Doesn’t really matter. You keep harping on who’s the X like it matters in this day and age.

Aiyuk is the X because it suits his skillset. He is closer to the prototypical X. He’s 6’ with a 6’8” (which is ****ing absurd, by the way lol).

Deebo was never suited for that role given his body type and skill set. And contrary to the picture you’re trying to paint, that doesn’t mean Aiyuk is better than Deebo. Hell, Aiyuk was the X in 2021 when Deebo went off for 1400 receiving yards.

Tyreek is the best WR this franchise has ever seen even though he wasn’t a traditional X. It really means nothing.

Deebo is better at running routes and playing the stereotypical WR role than Aiyuk is at playing the multipurpose gadget role.

You wouldn’t dispute that, would you? Aiyuk had 1350 receiving yards and only 380 were RAC. He is effectively ineffective with the ball in his hands.

Lol, that would be insane.

JFC the entire point of that post you quoted was me explaining to you that he's not just the X, he's also the WR1 and has led the team in receiving the last 2 years (and YPG for the injury excuse), and you completely ignore that part to tell me why him being the X is irrelevant.

AGAIN, he's not just the X. He's their WR1. This isn't debatable, and as I showed you, the majority of 49ers fans recognize this as does the team let the insider I quoted. In no way is a WR2 better than a WR1 because he's more versatile and can play RB. This is the point I've been making and you refuse to address it.

Aiyuk runs routes and separates better. Deebo is more versatile and is better after the catch because of his running ability.

Which skill set is more valuable? There's a reason WRs make a shit ton more than RBs. CMC is the most "important" player on that offense, still doesn't mean he's getting paid more than their WRs.

The one the team goes 0-3 without.

Suck my balls, bitch lol