Sounds like you are coming to the realization that your previous statements against this ballot initiative have no logical basis. LMAO

Oh sure that's what's happening here.

You remind me of BEP. You guys discuss matters in a similar manner.

Explain why are you against keeping the same 3/8-cent sales tax in place.

Because you hate John Sherman?

Sounds like a short-sighted dumb reason. Especially since you would be voting no to the Chiefs as well.

Some of the internal polling I have seen makes it look neck and neck I imagine the yes votes win out but in a close one.

A lot of people who live and spend a lot of time around downtown were pretty unhappy with the plan closing Oak St.

Now they come around and say they can do it without closing Oak but I have no idea how. And its them changing the entire thing a few days before the vote and after early voting folks have already cast a ballot.

It is such a mess.

It is also shitty because that east village area has been sitting waiting for this. One of the reasons there is so much open land there is because it was an open secret the Royals were going to make a home there so when they made this last second audible it really sucked because we could have done things with that area.

There's real backlash out there for pushing the Crossroads site last minute that hurt them dramatically.

The Royals would still get shit on being an awful organization, but if they had made this proposal for the East Village site (an ugly pimple that needs revitalization) it passes something like 65/35 instead of going 53/47.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am team YES on the stadium vote, but I have no idea how they&#39;re going to design this thing to keep Oak St. open. <br><br>Here are scale overlays of Busch Stadium, Oriole Park, and Coors. All downtown stadiums. <br><br>The renderings you have seen will be SIGNIFICANTLY impacted by this. <a href="https://t.co/qAyhW4yZ7B">pic.twitter.com/qAyhW4yZ7B</a></p>&mdash; Josh Chavis (@JoshChavis65) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshChavis65/status/1773415043578597516?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's the biggest gripe people that work/live/play in KC have as far as I can tell.

I can sit here and blabber about the royals being long time losers with an owner that's looking to build and sell. And while that's all true, the site being forced into the Crossroads is a sticking point for more people than you'd think.

That area sucked forever and it finally gets built up to be a focal part for the city, and the big bad royals abandon plans to revitalize an eyesore just to cash in and ultimately destroy something that was built organically.

If it doesn't pass it has everything to do with the Chiefs. This is a vote to basically keep a tax in place that means we extend Arrowhead for 25 years. The Chiefs aren't there for "support", they want a long term deal.

Does keeping Oak St open change anything with the way the South Loop Park project is incorporated from your understanding?

Not to my understanding, no.

I think they will have no choice but to reroute the street, which will still end up doing what residents were concerned about: displacing businesses and razing buildings.

Look at A&T Park in San Francisco and Target Field in Minneapolis

Did.

Don't fit.

Isn’t it obvious? They will shrink the field to better fit the typical Royals roster power numbers thereby improving the team’s scoring while keeping the street. Win win.

So did Sneed.

Ok.

I can certainly find things to like about this stadium location should it pass. That integration of the south loop park is a major win for walkability and will just plain look cool as hell.

I’d like to change my vote to “no”

Looks like someone is still bitter.

This is who Team No is associating themselves with… a degenerate crook.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TBT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TBT</a>: Opening Day 2023<br><br>A lot can happen in a year… <br><br>… From friend and Royals Hall of Famer to an “unpopular and desperate politician.”<br><br>So, what’s the best bar in Jackson County to watch today’s game? <a href="https://t.co/mtfPYftWB6">pic.twitter.com/mtfPYftWB6</a></p>&mdash; Frank White (@JCEFrankWhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCEFrankWhite/status/1773397579285336350?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Frank White **** your dad or something?

He's the same guy who thinks the moon landing was staged. Idk who lets these DC tards out of their cage

You are unaware that Frank White is a despicable human being?

Seriously?

Without specifics it was already a 'no' for me. But add that JACO residents, because we're funding the team's future with taxes, should not have any games blacked out, and should be given tickets (season or individual games) at half price. You know, because the new stadium is going to be SOOOOOO successful...

EDIT: And the owner has to commit to adding $10M a year to the player's spending limit each until we're a .666 team. Yeah, put your money where your dream are there Mr. Owner...

Can't you guys rig this voting like Luv's?

Is blackmailing/threatening (to move) the citizens seven years before a contract up rigging?

.

I figured zero people were surprised he hates a black person, but that probably just means the little bit of DC I read is still too much.

wtf lolol

I've tried to stay out of this thing, if for no other reason than I don't live in Jackson County.

I was very underwhelmed by the Chiefs plan for TSC.

And I'm just kinda curious... If the sales tax vote gets extended, why hasn't there been any type of proposal for when Kauffman gets torn down, to begin building a new Arrowhead at that site and having all new for both teams?

Jackson county voters in this thread are really splitting at 13 to 12.

But it seems the folks outside of the county would certainly vote this thing through if they could at 45 to 19. Why the dramatic disparity?

No skin in the game.

Most of the people probably don't live around here so they don't see the shit roads, the crime, or has a major increase on their property tax

Yes will get at least 55% of the vote next week... and that is a conservative estimate.

It could very well be above 60% yes.

I am voting this thing through because I don't live there and I want the Royals to stay in KC.

Thank you!

And keeping an existing 3/8-cent sales tax in place has exactly what impact on that?

LMAO

Can i vote half yes just for the Chiefs?

Yeah but I feel like you're probably wrong about most things in life. So maybe you need to take the other side if you want to see this thing win.

You think it won't pass?

LMAO

You keep proving again and again you are not informed on the issue. You realize we don't know who will pay for the demolition of the K, the 5+ acres that are not covered by the tax you keep talking about, why the tax 3/8 tax you keep mentioning is being changed to a parks tax, keeping oak street among many things isn't even legally binding.

You don't live here. You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Go back to DC and talk about migrants squatting properties

Man... this is quite a pissing match. I really feel like we've all really accomplished something today. Well done!

I think the Chiefs are avoiding the argument that's bound to happen when the dome/no-dome fight happens again.

Well if you read what I've stated and actually bothered looking into it you'll see the the things I've brought up aren't addressed by this vote. Another thing Donovan's comments about the concrete at Royals stadium were proven false by a study done by Burns & McDonnell. The loop project was brought up in this thread, the original capping doesn't even cover that part of downtown so that would be additional and is covered by the state. What happens if the state says no? This vote doesn't mean the Royals would move Sherman has even said as much. It would bring them back to the table and actually address these issues instead of rushing it to a vote

It wasn't a personal attack. Just stating the obvious. Lot of back and forth jabs, insults and points made by people with differing opinions.

Another reason why I've tried to stay out of this.

None taken

I really don't think he plans on selling. I really think he wants to own an MLB club. He's already got plenty of money. Once they have his kind of money, then they want things that only few people have and there are only 30 MLB clubs. That's more exclusive than being a billionaire, since there are over 3000 of those.

No way he sells, because he is absolutely set.

It doesn't mean anything if you are living in Jackson County other than that you are tired of this bullshit of expecting the public to pay for more ineptness.

Also how can anyone believe anything shyster Sherman shits out of his pig head mouth. That dude needs to be called pig head that's what he looks like. Every time he tries to make a point I think to myself that will do pig.

Sadly too few people are willing to call his bluff even one time. Nobody in government will ask the pig if he's going to ensure games aren't blacked-out for JACO residences and businesses, or what kind of JACO-specific ticket pricing structure he plans to offer those who are footing the bill.

Why, because he intends to **** JACO residents and the city officials are more than happy to let it happen.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> Head Coach Andy Reid after voting YES in Jackson County. <a href="https://twitter.com/KSHB41?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KSHB41</a> <a href="https://t.co/Uy4afV0mRZ">pic.twitter.com/Uy4afV0mRZ</a></p>&mdash; Taylor Hemness 📺 (@taylorhemness) <a href="https://twitter.com/taylorhemness/status/1775139453037633614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Very weird the loudest voice for "Yes" on here is some Mexican dude in Miami lol

I'm shocked a team employee would vote yes.

It's easy to play with money that isn't yours.

Voted no today.

They need to come back to us with a better plan than this.

And if they don't? **** em.

You are going to take your guidance from Degenerate Frank White… or Andy Reid?

Gotta love KC Wolf nodding along, LIKE THE COMPANY STOOGE IT IS.

Should you be taking your advice from any sports figure?

"How KC Wolf is morally bankrupt MY COLUMN:"

Ironically being interviewed on Oak St (and 52nd)

Stop spamming the thread, dipshit... for the 20th time, you hate Frank White. Got it.

What time do the polls close there?

I had no idea Frank White butt ****ed his mom in 1983.

SportingKC is supporting the Yes vote.

And some of the jizz trickled down into her vag. And Kcchiefs fan 50/50 was born a short nine months later

He butt ****ed his own mom? He was a freak with those gold gloves.

It's baseball with the ROYALS(in Shawshank Iowa)

7

What will a can of beer cost at the new Arrowhead? $30?

This is where I'm at

I voted Yes.

The Royals might come back with a different plan, but 'better?' Color me skeptical that it will be better when there is more competition than just Jackson County.

I voted yes by mail from my home in Ohio (twice).

That “better” plan will be in Nashville.

But at least people in Jackson County will “save” on paying a 3/8-cent sales tax after 2030.

RIGGED

https://scontent.fmkc1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...bw&oe=661226B8

No, commie.

**** you.

You will lose.

lol that story sounds completely real and not fabricated at all

Figures the “No” Reeruns have to cheat… turning people away wearing Chiefs/Royals clothing is weak.

I read if they were wearing a red political hat and a chiefs shirt they turned them away double hard!

Nashville has been thrown around here, so I googled and the first article had a headline "Long on promises and short on details" regarding a new stadium plan... who knows, maybe that suddenly wouldn't matter if the Royals give no shits about moving, but they're either half-baking another proposal for money somewhere else or putting effort towards addressing concerns with their current plan.

I feel like if the latter is completely off the table while they rush to take money from OP or Nashville or wherever, then I'd kind of lean towards '**** 'em', personally.

Hey that is fine they can go find their fortunes somewhere else.

I think they are going to run into a similar problem elsewhere and I think they have overplayed this particular hand but fairplay go on and leave.

I don't give a shit.

My man, do you think I make every life decision according to teams I watch?

Your posts in this thread are weird as hell. I have never liked you and that is fine that is no big deal totally putting that aside your posts in this thread make you look like a person that has tied their self worth to sports teams and probably needs some help.

Are you ok?

Are you like a gimmick poster?

I'm sure Nashville that is paying billions for a new Titans stadium is just going to hand the Royals billions at the same time.

I think it is a bluff and am happy to call it in advocacy for my community but if they pack up and leave come what may. Life is made of decisions they have made the playoffs like twice in my lifetime.