the offensive pass interference penalties kelce is drawing now have never happened before, either

he is running on fumes

Ravens defense and offense both rank better than us.

Sorry, that's the world we live in. This is not last year anymore.

they won't make the playoffs

As if that hasn't been the case for the entire run. Both Cinci games, Buffalo 2021, Cleveland 2020. The NE loss. We are way down compared to last year, but where's the dominant team outside of SF? There isn't one.

I've been firmly in the WR are crap all year long but I think the SB race on the AFC side is wide open.

Yes, the Ravens look good but their playoff track record is bad. KC has traditionally done well against Lamar.

Miami has done nothing against good teams.

Kelce, Pacheco, and an ever improving Rice should be enough to make KC competitive in any AFC game in the playoffs.

Are they a shoo-in to make it? No, but I'm not sure there is a team I would pick over them.

As far as facing the NFC winner in the SB? Well, worry about that if they get there.

We may see Bills again first round

The Browns have the same record as the Chiefs.

We shouldn't be making fun of anyone right now.

Force it to Rice.

I'm fine with drawing Buffalo again. Their dink and dunk offense won't do much if we cover the outlets early and we just need to score 24 when it is win or go home.

Yes, and that's true of the other team as well. The AFC is wide open.

problem is…it’s week 14 and they same shit is happening that’s been happening all season. it’s not going to all of a sudden just click

I'm not disagreeing with that part. I'm just also aware who their QB is.

The Chiefs will have to flip the coin 3 times.

That lessens the chances.

That would be a coin flip.

Who is making fun of the Browns? Just pointing out that the Ravens aren't anywhere near unbeatable if a team without a QB can beat them.

Fair point, but he's playing better than Patrick right now.

Everything is hard for Patrick right now. Everything.

Lamar looks like he is having fun, even without Andrews.

Yes, but the Ravens decided to try to change their prior flame outs but adding weapons to give Lamar a chance.

Whether it works we will see but at least they tried to improve it.

If you don't get to Lamar fast he will have 4-5 guys that can get open and he can buy time himself.

I've seen Lamar play really well in the regular season before too. I wonder what happened in those seasons at the end.

You're kinda manufacturing your own argument there my dude.

Nobody declared the Ravens world beaters. They are statistically the best AFC team today.

Get over yourself.

But can he make the throws under pressure when it matters?

I wonder what past evidence would tell us on that point.

My guy, you called the Ravens clearly the best team in the AFC right now. They aren't clearly the best anything at all and you'd know that if you spent any time watching that shitshow of a game they played today against the Rams.

I truly hope you're right.

All he has to do is score more than the other team. So far this year it is working a lot better than our formula of giving Mahomes no professional WR's to throw to.

They are just like the Bills. Good enough to beat anyone but absolutely not good enough to win four playoff games in a row. I think that’s the disconnect people have. It’s hard to say they can’t make the Super Bowl against this level of competition because of their pedigree, but the chances they don’t have a carbon copy game to any of their four similar losses are zero.

We knew how 2018 was going to end, even with Patrick being Patrick.

Deep down, we knew.

The Chiefs ended that regular season very inconsistently, too.

You know now.

This is a team that lacks focus and discipline. It has all season.

Now they're yelling at coaches and calling out officials for not giving them mulligans on clear penalties.

They need to be humbled. Badly. Players and staff. Superstars and depth guys; coaches and executives. They need their dicks knocked into the dirt in the worst way.

Is it too early to look to 2024? No, not at all. And frankly I'm looking forward to it.

I hope so but right now we don't look like contenders.

I don't think the Chiefs coasting through large portions of the regular season is anything that has just been restricted to just this year. It's been going on for several seasons now.

This latest stretch is a pretty bad one though. They haven't even bothered to show up in the 1st quarter of a game in about a month now.

It's fine to coast and win.

This is wayyyy different.

I agree.

I'm tired of them going down 14-0 every week and getting out played every single 4th quarter.

This team is used to winning close games in November and December. Darn near every game. This year, it's the other way around.

For a team full of SB winners, they're playing like a team that's never been in a big game under the spotlight. Like a bunch of freakin' amateurs. Slow starts, stupid mistakes, backbreaking plays, etc.

Where's the clutch gene we've seen from prior Chiefs teams?

Well their previous Mahomes teams were good enough to coast and win. This team will hopefully be coming to the realization now that they can't do that.

You simply can't spot desperate teams like the Bills 14 point leads with no real effort/focus for an entire quarter and expect to win in this league.

You can create a wish list, but there are still four regular season games and most likely the playoffs.

It is what is is. We have the greatest QB I have ever seen in his prime with a loaded roster but for some reason they wanted to see what he could do without real WR's.

Didn't work. Learn the lesson and fix it.

We should be grateful for that, because it will help us to make decisions on who should stick around in 2024.

There's no other point to these games though.

We know how this story ends.

Lin Elliot gave us warning signs in '95 too.

LMAO

You’re reallly throwing in the towel, Clayster

Yep. They'll have an early exit this year. Fix it, get a real WR or two, and become legit contenders again next year.

We are the barbarians. Full of zeal until an enemy with superior tactics and weapons comes along.

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The difference in speed and energy from the defense in the 3rd and 4th quarters was startling. It made you realize how ****ing lazy they played in the first half.

And the offense - shit, what more can be said. None of them are playing well. Literally not a single guy on offense is playing at even 80% of what he's capable of.

They need to be embarrassed.

I'd say the Broncos knocking them out of the playoffs should cover it.

It wouldn't bother me a bit.

In Miami...

Seriously, they chose this WR room. It is what it is now.

This would be really hard to take.

I almost feel like we'd have to give the rings back.

I'd take hosting another AFCCG and overtime loss at this point... the NFL expecting to finally be free of the Arrowhead Invitational for a year just to say **** it, we're going in dry. That's far better than whimpering out in the WC or divisional round.

We could probably play significantly WORSE than we have been and still get in. This last slate of games is incredibly weak.

That's really what it is. We're resting on our laurels.

Bengals will be a problem.

There's still a quarter of the season to go. We have not been the #1 seed every year with Mahomes, we've just been able to have the games go in a way that gave us every game in Arrowhead. I wonder if today makes them go harder after someone like Ertz. Rice keeps improving. The AFC is more wide open than it's ever been. Plenty of work to do but it's not over.

You noticed that difference too, eh? It was laughable how hard they were playing in the 4th quarter especially compared to the 1st half. That's just unacceptable for this kind of rivalry game against a very motivated Bills team, but it tells you where this team is at mentally.

And I would hope the last month has been enough embarrassment to not have to go through your scenario, but we'll see.

I still have seen nothing that would deter me from the idea that this team's ceiling is still good enough to win a SB, particularly in a league with as few elite QBs as this one has right now. Will they reach it consistently in the playoffs for 4 games? Probably not. But I'd rather give the best QB in the league the chance.

They'll get all the calls just like the Bills and Packers. They're desperate and the league says it's for business for the Chiefs to lose to bubble teams.

You never give up on a season when you are a playoff team in a conference without a dominant team.

There is a chance the Chiefs lose Jones and Sneed and all of a sudden the D isn’t very good. Kelce is already slowing down and they are contractually stuck with an overpriced RT. There is no guarantee next year will be better.

I don't even disagree.

The problem is that the players and coaches realize it as well.

But I don't think this is a team that can flip a switch. Again - they're not as good as they think they are.

I think they'll make the playoffs. But I genuinely wonder if they wouldn't be better served missing them. They're gonna sneak in, hit the nitrous button in the post-season and be surprised to find that they're still just a running a stick Civic out there.

This year is different. This Chiefs team is not a legit contender. They'll make the playoffs but wont get far. They are who they are and they have been since week 1.

Thanks.

We have the best QB and a top 10 defense. We 100% have a chance.

Good Lord. Not you too..

Yeah, I'm trying to remember which drive it was specifically but it was completely inescapable at that point. I think it was when we got to 17-14. It was alarming. Night and day shit.

I'd have been less annoyed had they continued to coast.

All they did was prove how little they gave a shit prior to that point.

Problems do not get magically fixed in the postseason.

They get exposed.

The Broncos would be brutal. But reality is we have a really good chance of losing to a terrible QB such as a backup, Flacco, or Wilson in the first round. I’m just hoping we get past round one so our inevitable loss is at least somewhat respectable.

Who is your pick to win the AFC then? Let's hear it. Call your shot.

I've been telling myself it's execution and they'll get it cleaned up.

It's not. Its desire. It's focus. It's coaching.

They don't have it, man. They're not going to just clean that up. They're going to keep doing this same shit. They aren't hungry enough.

The only time I remember it lately was the Raiders game and it flipped in a big way... it was like Mahomes and Kelce told each other, **** it, we're doing this and immediately got on the same page, Mahomes started flinging it like days of old (uh, last year), Rice ended with 100 yards.

And I thought, sweet... yeah, it's just the Raiders, but if that's what they can look like, they can flip that switch come playoff time (and was figuring they'd do it today, too).

Besides the Mahomes-Kelce connection, it obviously doesn't seme like they're cohesive enough to **** around and then confidently strut into the playoffs and do their thing. They only needed one warmup game last year heading into the playoffs, and that made sense.

They should probably use the rest of the month this year.

Baltimore.

They’re a team on a mission.

The winner of MIA-BAL.

Today proved plus talent at WR can give the Ravens defense a lot of problems.

Whoever wins that game, goes to Las Vegas.

To get curb stomped.

Too many players seem to have gotten complacent after getting a ring. This is a huge reason why it’s so hard to repeat as SB Champions.

It's reality people held out as long as the could but the proof is in the pudding when teams of the past came thru in these situations this team doesn't have that. Also no one is stepping up being a leader and getting into players asses!!! Some one needs to coach or player!!! Players need to be benched if they are not getting it done bottom line!!! If you keep doing the same thing you get the same results and that is insane!!!

Dolphins.

We emptied the tank defensively on them and still had to hang on like grim death to win that game after getting a massive lead.

Miami will beat us by 17 if we play them again.

From the opening snap last year this team looked like it had something to prove. They had a fire in them that showed through the year. They were hungry and had the right demeanor. A team on a mission.

This year they look like they got cocky. They are eating too much of their own shit and things got out of hand. The HC who is notoriously out of the loop starts doing more commercials, Taylor Swift comes to town.

The leaders of this team haven't been as focused this season. They'll still win this division IMO and they'll likely win the first WC game but they'll play the Jags or Dolphins in the divisional rd and get beat. And they'll deserve it.

Look, Veach has some work to do.

Chris Jones is gone.
MVS is gone.

Skyy Moore and Toney are nothing more than WRs 3 4 or 5. We can't expect those guys to bee dependable WRs. Especially knowing that they are going to get minimal targets.

Miami???

This Miami team...

The combined winning percentage of teams defeated by the Dolphins this season is .303, which is the lowest rate in the AFC and the third-lowest mark in the league
They've yet to defeat a team with a winning record
Their three losses have all come against high-quality AFC contenders
Their overall strength of schedule has been the easiest in the entire league

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...f=upstract.com

Won't matter if we get Diggs and Toney can't identify a line of scrimmage...

Let's face it folks, it's almost a blessing this is happening.

None of us can stomach getting another 31-9 sphincter wrench in the big one.

And today guaranteed we won't be doing the walk of sadness through the Truman Sports Complex in 5 degree weather, which I've done three times now and it never gets easier.

We'll get a nice consolation WC prize, a little playoff experience for the rookies, and watch the Chiefs get eliminated in Baltimore or Miami in front of our TVs, warm in our robes, draft guide at the ready.

Good show, Chiefs. You played hard. You got as far as you deserved and didn't embarrass yourselves that much.

We'll more than likely still be able to laugh at Philly, Tyreek, Buffalo and/or Cincy.

It's better this way.

This feels like the type of season where we finally play a road playoff game, against a perceived lesser team, and lose. The offense isn’t good enough to overcome miscues like in years past, and the defense, despite being mostly good, can’t be expected to continuously stop the opposing team, especially when gifted a short field.

It’s been said all year that the offense would get better, the drops cleaned up, the penalties reduced, and the turnovers eliminated. But the fact remains that every one of those things continues to define the 2023 Chiefs week-to-week. With 4 regular season games remaining it seems like a huge stretch to believe it will change, especially given the personnel involved.

Tua with zero career playoff wins and who we were up on 21-0 on a neutral field? I'm sorry but you are being an absolute bitch.

Its never as bad as it seems and never as good as it seems. If Toney steps 1 foot back and our defense closes out that game with 1 minute left the perception of this team is completely different.

The AFC is wide open. Having to go on the road could very well be a good thing for this team.

And their defense is getting better as we approach the playoffs.

Miami ain't it for me. I'd have more faith in the Bengals if they got in than Miami. Those guys are still hungry as hell after the last few years and the team is a force even without Burrow.

I like the Bills talent too but they are so poorly coached (they had no business even being in a close game today the way they outplayed us and gave us multiple chances to come back to win) that I can't trust them.

Unfortunately, this team currently isn't winning 4 in a row against the top echelon teams.

Miami has much to prove.

They have two pretty good cracks at it before the playoffs.

I'd lean BAL but MIA has so much speed anything can happen.

I also know the Chiefs have zero chance to prove anything in the same time frame. They're expected to win all four games, and if they don't win all four easily, we'll all be feeling our sphincters tighten on that first third down in the wild card.

Keep trusting Tua and that Dolphins squad full of prima donnas. Andy Reid was coaching Favre in Green Bay while Mike McDaniel was in diapers. Ill take Reid/Mahomes over Tua/McDaniel with everything on the line EVERY.****ING.TIME!

We just lost to a guy who complains about his offensive linemen wearing tennis shoes in walk throughs.

I think this is about right. By some miraculous stretch if this team were to win the AFC do you really think they wouldn’t get carved up by that 49ers team? It would be another 31-9 ass kicking. I’d rather lose a close game in the WC then get smoked in the SB again.

LMAO

The 1 seed isn’t even out of play yet and you’re giving up on a team with Mahomes/Kelce/Reid and a top 5-10 defense. Pitiful.