agree...you do have to find a Bell replacement though. Someone that is either a very good blocker, or that has high football IQ that isn't afraid to make a few tough catches each game until they have the luxury of targeting a guy in the 1st rnd within a few yrs. I like Gray, but without a true #1 WR, they will struggle a bit on 3rd and in the Red Zone.

... and if Harrison and Mahomes end up being the next great QB WR duo in NFL history, you have succeeded multiple entire drafts. If you don't think that Noah Gray, Rashee Rice and Isaiah Pacheco are re-creatable then I can't help you. Eventually, just like with Mahomes, you need to take a risk.

lol...no, it's not easy. Only a handful of orgs do it on a fairly consistent basis, the Chiefs being about as good as any. The point is, it can be done...of course they are the exception, but that's life when you host the AFC Champiosnhip every year. When you draft at the bottom, you can't trade the whole draft for one guy...(A) there are better trade partners than you (B) you only have 5 picks (so far), you're better off trading down a few and acquiring more picks so you can find a Puka Nacua (the current #6).

I’m not saying we draft Legette in the first. All I’m saying is any other years he’s first round talent but is likely there for us in the late 1st/2nd if we want him.

I’ve seen mocks where Worthy is taken by us picking 31/32. Any other year he’s gone top 20.

There’s just so many talented receivers in this class with real first round grades on guys that end up being taken in the 2nd. That and there’s a plethora of talented QBs coming out that teams will be spending early round picks on.

That would be a great, hall of fame, record setting combo, no doubt, but how's the rest of the team? Dick Vermeil's defenses? It's hard to find that perfect balance in the cap era, I get it. I just think the biggest flaw is assuming a team drafting at 2 or 3 is going to trade with a team drafting at 28-32, even if its 5 picks...I think they will have a better value offer from one of many franchises that have desperately selected an iffy QB (NE, GB, Carolina, Pitt, Tenn, NYG) but think a WR will solve the prob.

No. You don't go full Ricky Williams, and that's about what it would take. You absolutely don't do that when you have a championship caliber football team at every other position group but half of your defense is up for a new contract and you're low on cap space.

Exactly what I'm hoping...some team will be desperate for a QB even at 28-32, that they will trade down a few spots and pick up a 2nd or strong 3rd...Franklin, Polk, Egbuka, Legette, Mitchell/Worthy, and maybe a few emerging names will still be available.

I like either of the Texas guys. I worry a little about Worthy as an outside receiver in the NFL just because I don't know how he'll do against press-man being smaller. He can fly, though. But I'd rather not HAVE to manufacture clean releases for him.

Yep. Andy likes his WRs with slimmer hips.

Legette just gives me the heeby-jeebies.

Zero production for four years and then explodes as a 5th year senior? With that size and speed? Something ain't right there. I really don't think I'd spend a premium pick for him.

I’m a Kansas State fan as well and Mitchell carved up our secondary for nearly 150 yards and going against a corner who I think will get a look at the NFL. He’s tall but physical for his frame, has great downfield catching ability, and like I said, runs like a gazelle.

He would come in and easily be the best WR on this roster, which I know isn’t saying much.

Too high to trade up - if you're going to trade up go up and get someone like Odunze in the teens

I’m not saying we spend our first on him but his production this year is very impressive, and if he indeed runs a 4.3 at the combine with that 6’3” 227 Ibs frame he will be tough for teams to pass on.

DK Metcalf never had a season in college going over 650 yards. In fact, his senior numbers dropped off some from his junior year.

Again, not saying we spend that pick on him but we’ll have some options in the late 1st/2nd if we want him or some others in this class.

I agree we'll have a shot at a talented WR, I'm just not sure I want to take a shot on that one.

Mitchell, Worthy, Franklin are my early guys I like so far, but I've not really been diving deep.

Trade that first to the 9ers for Aiyuk and be done with it.

We would have to give up far too much for Harrison Jr. to be an option.

Keon Coleman and Malik Nabers, though? Absolutely.

I think the great news is that this year's WR class is far stronger than it has been in the past several years from top to bottom.

If I'm the Chiefs, I'm doing whatever I can to get into a slot where Nabers or Coleman are on the board. They aren't Harrison Jr, but they're still slam dunks IMO.

Time to start planting drugs on his ass.

People seemed to be grossed out by that Will Levis mayonnaise in coffee thing, too. Maybe float some rumors out there? He likes mustard in his diet coke?

Good news is that this is a really really strong WR class, we're discussing them on the draft sub-forum here:https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthre...350534&page=13

Cost is the issue there.

Can't trade multiple picks to get Harrison Jr., as great as that sounds.



Pivot: what's the deal with Brenden Rice? Runs a 4.38, a 10.7sec 100, 6'3", 205-lbs. Passer Rating of 127 when targeted.

Projected to go in the 3rd?

Always been a fan of his dad, so I've watched him a little bit. Looks a lot like his dad on the field.

Giving up years of drafts for Harrison? That is whack.

Those draft picks are essential to us, way more than most teams. Mahomes is on a maxed out contract now. Other positions will need to be cheap.

Without those draft picks we have no chance to compete in coming years.

Malik Nabors at LSU is getting a lot of love for early first round but I think his team mate is not getting enough love. Brian Thomas is 6'4" 205 lbs and fast. For 2023 he has 55 receptions, 1,021 yards (18.6 yds/catch) and 14 TDs. I could see him getting into the back end of round one where we'll be picking. He could be a poor man's Marvin Harrison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cCP27uR9ds

Rice and Toney are coming back next year bc they are cheap. As much as I don't like Skyy, he'll get the CEH treatment and be back. Also think Watson will return bc Mahomes trusts him, he's cheap and he's a good complimentary WR like he was last year.

I think Veach will solve this problem immediately in FA by getting a talented veteran WR. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a 2nd fairly priced vet WR like DJ Chark.

Then another WR in the first 2 rounds

Trading a fortune to draft Harrison, Jr. only to have him play on like 50% of the offensive snaps (see Rice’s usage).

Andy makes it almost impossible for rookie WR’s to have an immediate impact.

Billay told me that he plans to film and leak a sex tape with him.

I told him that was a hell of commitment to tank Harrison’s draft stock.

Billay replied, “Draft stock?”.

Never go full Balto.

Chris Jones and a #1 to jump up. You either get a stud or you better draft 3 WRs and hope you have an A, B and C WR once done.

The Chiefs have an abysmal record of drafting a WR. So logic says bundle multiple picks together to draft one. Logic escapes me

That trade won the Cowboys multiple super bowls.

I had to look up the Ricky Williams trade and might have won the other team a title too if it weren't Washington. Washington did get Champ Bailey out of it but traded him for Clinton Portis. They also got LaVar Arrington, but used the rest of the picks on guys like Cade McNown, DWayne Bates, and Lloyd Harrison.

Throw in a couple more picks and have multi trade getting Justin Jefferson and Watt too

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Murray is a crybaby who refuses to be a student of the game and Harrison will get neutered because of that I am afraid.

I swear, most of CP wants to treat Mahomes like Green Bay treated Rodgers.

If Marvin Harrison Jr. goes to a team with even a mediocre QB, he will be better in 5 years than any combination of players we draft in the first two rounds of the next 3 drafts.

Superstar Wide Receiver vs a handful of potential draft busts/booms. It's not a hard choice.

Yup, there's either trading at least 3 1's and 2 2's to move up in the draft and get Harrison OR there's not surrounding Mahomes with any weapons like GB did with Rodgers. There is no middle ground at all. Nice to have that cleared up.

You're being silly in what a team would have to give up.

Right, because Karlaftis, McDuffie, Cook, FAU, and Rice haven't helped the team at all. Moore is not doing well but still, that is a lot of talent with those picks. We did not pick a player in the 1st in 2021 but we drafted Bolton and Creed with the two 2cd rounders we did have.
Yeah, it would be a good decision to give up all or most of those players for one WR.

Not really. Moving up to a top 5 pick from 30+ is going to take more capital than we even have on the table. For reference, in 2021 the 49ers traded up from 12 to 3 and gave up three firsts and a third. It would be absurd.

Correct. Moving up from the end of the first to the beginning of the first would cost a ridiculous amount of picks.

The Panthers moved from 9 to 1, and it cost them 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and DJ Moore.

And those are the Panthers’ picks, which are far more valuable than the Chiefs’ picks.

I would never give that much up so yeah, I would not do it for that. I want talent but not risky souch you can't recover for years.

Harrison is very good but nothing is guaranteed. As mentioned previously, this is a loaded WR class, and I think there’s guys in this draft class that will ultimately prove to be better than him when all is said and done.

The most aggressive move would be using our first 2 picks at WR without fleecing the farm. If we do that we still likely get what would be top 20 value at WR even in the 2nd given how deep this class is.

We've already done more than GB did with Rodgers because we've given Mahomes some high round offensive weapons. CEH, Toney, Rice, Skyy. But even then, if you draft well Harrison will not be better than any combo of players you draft with multiple picks. There are always WRs and TEs who are successful in rounds 2, 3, 4. You just have to pick them.

I really don't think you'd need to move up this year for a WR to be honest. Should be a couple of quality guys right there at 32.

Walk me through the math that a team projected at 32 needs to do to move up to 3 in a draft heavy on QBs.

Because we ain't moving up for a QB.

Who was the last team and year to give up exactly what you stated in the draft to move up?

Exactly what I stated?

The 49ers traded 3 1’s and a 3 the following year to move from 12 to 3.

Go look at the standard JJ draft value chart. If we were just dealing with this year’s picks, it would need to be at least 3 1’s and 2 2’s. And those picks in future years will be discounted.

No, we’re not moving up for a QB, but in a draft where a premium position like QB is highlighted at the top, all of those top picks are worth more.

You’re tremendously off base here.

Arguing with scho about the draft is pointless. He knows dick about it.

Well you do know about dick so good advice.

Weapons.

ROFL

ROFL

How much will it take to move up and take the kid from South Carolina?

Veach should look at Legette. He can do everything our receivers can't. Legette can get open, outrun defenders, leap for contested balls, jet sweeps, and my favorite "hold on to the ball."

Well, let me ask you this-

Why didn't he do literally anything at all for four years, and suddenly, as a fifth year senior is a world beater? Does that give you pause?

Because it gives me pause.

I'm not on this bandwagon either. But SC did have a new OC this season. Their old one was the OC for the Huskers this year. :hmmm:

A one year wonder WR doesn't scare me if they're like...a junior. and/or at like Ohio State, where the roster is stacked.

But four years of nothing, and all the sudden, they're Megatron?

I don't know, man.

I'm not in on this guy either. I just made a poor attempt at some humor regarding the Huskers offense this season. :)

I'm curious about this guy too, but we can prob get him where we're at.

Metcalf went #64, and I'm not sure anyone's saying this kids better than him just that they're similar.