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kccrow 03-16-2023 04:21 PM

Sign Jalen Guyton (6'1" 212, 4.39). Speed guy that has a couple of decent years of production in the NFL in 2020 and 2021 with the Chargers.

Sign Marquez Callaway (6'2" 205, 4.55). Possession type that runs great routes and makes tough catches away from his frame with good production in 2021 with the Saints.

Draft Jahmyr Gibbs, Alabama (5'9" 199, 4.36). Speed and agility jack of all trades to fill a hybrid Slot/McKinnon role.

Profit.

The core competition to whittle to 6:
K. Toney
M. Valdes-Scantling
S. Moore
J. Gibbs
J. Guyton
M. Callaway
J. Ross
I. Smith-Marsette

Stryker 03-16-2023 07:50 PM

Stay as far away from OBJ and DeHOP as you can! These are brands in the likes of A.J. Green, Julio Jones and the likes. Move forward with youth and draft the likes of Mingo, Mims or Perry. Keep the youth movement going! :thumb:

Iconic 03-16-2023 11:12 PM

One of Chark/Thielen/Pringle + Day 2 or better pick at WR should do it tbh.

I'd be okay with bringing back Hardman but I think a stupid team will price us out of the running.

Chief Pagan 03-16-2023 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16859815)
Dhop has pulled ahead in the poll! Schefter should be reporting this.

Dhop has pulled ahead.

It means only one thing.

Vurt Beach curve ball incoming!

1COOLDOG 03-17-2023 02:05 AM

In the unforgettable words of BTO:
"Let It Ride"

Couch-Potato 03-17-2023 02:57 AM

Hmmm... Why not DJ Chark?

6-4, 205 lbs & Fast

26 yrs old

Made $6m last year and needs a career boost similar to JuJu.

Could probably produce similarly to JuJu.

FloridaMan88 03-17-2023 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 16860130)
Stay as far away from OBJ and DeHOP as you can! These are brands in the likes of A.J. Green, Julio Jones and the likes. Move forward with youth and draft the likes of Mingo, Mims or Perry. Keep the youth movement going! :thumb:

Hopkins is 30 years old… not ancient.

And while Veach emphasizes getting younger players, he’s also had recent success with signing older veterans… especially at DE.

He can do the same now at WR.

Rainbarrel 03-17-2023 04:46 AM

In theory is never wrong!

CupidStunt 03-17-2023 05:59 AM

Some people are so far off on Hopkins it's insane. Just like Jawaan Taylor. It can only be where those guys play, and how little attention people are apparently paying.

Last year he paced for 120 catches and 1350 yards with absolute gutter trash QB play.

Yes, he's older and no, we shouldn't trade a fortune for him, but that's not gonna happen. For the right price, for a couple years, he'd absolutely be a legit go-to WR for Pat.

Chances are we won't get him, and I won't lose any sleep - there are other options I like and Pat's gonna make whatever he has work. But if we do get him it'll be a damn exciting prospect.

Couch-Potato 03-17-2023 09:32 AM

I'd say...

Option 1: DJ Chark under $10m
Option 2: OBJ under $15m
Option 3: Hopkins Trade = Pick + Absorb his $20m Contact

I like all three options, can't miss! Let's go!

Abba-Dabba 03-17-2023 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16860742)
I'd say...

Option 1: DJ Chark under $10m
Option 2: OBJ under $15m
Option 3: Hopkins Trade = Pick + Absorb his $20m Contact

I like all three options, can't miss! Let's go!

You'll get Cornell Powell and a draft pick and you'll like it.

Couch-Potato 03-17-2023 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16860761)
You'll get Cornell Powell and a draft pick and you'll like it.

lol I spit out my coffee

Perfect response.

Bowser 03-17-2023 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16857639)
I think they trade for Hopkins and draft a WR somewhere in the first 2 rounds.

Fixed it. I think our first two rounds will go receiver/EDGE, or vice versa.

Hopkins seems the most logical choice right now, especially if you can get him for a 4 and 6 and he doesn't demand more money. I'm a fan of Thielen and would take it, but he just doesn't have the wheels anymore. I was on the Chark bandwagon, but Pest pointed out we already have him with MVS. Brandin Cooks would be fun to watch in this offense. All the rest of the FA guys are a solid "meh" to me.

Hopkins and a Trey Flowers type would get me all tingly.

The Franchise 03-17-2023 10:13 AM

Trade for Hopkins. Draft Tyler Scott.

O.city 03-17-2023 10:14 AM

If they traded for Hopkins, I'd not draft one til the 4th or later.

They need more talent infusion on the DL IMO.

Bowser 03-17-2023 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16860835)
If they traded for Hopkins, I'd not draft one til the 4th or later.

They need more talent infusion on the DL IMO.

Disagree. An impact rook to go with Hopkins would be the route to go, otherwise just roll with Justyn Ross and Cornell Powell. I say that knowing there are always hidden gems to be found in the mid to late rounds, and Veach has shown the ability to find them, but this WR corps needs as much talent infusion as the defensive line does.

ToxSocks 03-17-2023 01:45 PM

You look at the list of remaining F/A WR's and we're getting real close to the point where we're simply better off starting Skyy Moore.

ROYC75 03-17-2023 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16859807)
We are almost certainly going to sign *someone* before the draft.

Campbell and Slayton are off the board. Chark is visiting the Panthers tomorrow.

- OBJ?
- Trade for Hopkins?
- Trade for Brandin Cooks?
- Adam Thielen?
- Mecole Hardman?
- Mack Hollins?
- Jarvis Landry?
- Nelson Agholor?

Would a 2 & a 5 be too much to give the Texans?

ToxSocks 03-17-2023 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 16861294)
Would a 2 & a 5 be too much to give the Texans?

Why do that for Cooks when you can just do that for Hopkins. Contractually they're pretty similar too.

Hoover 03-17-2023 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 16861294)
Would a 2 & a 5 be too much to give the Texans?

Yes.

That Cooks contract is not something I'd trade for. I'd seriously rather spend hat to hey Hopkins.

duncan_idaho 03-17-2023 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16861289)
You look at the list of remaining F/A WR's and we're getting real close to the point where we're simply better off starting Skyy Moore.

Which may be a sign of what the team thinks about Skyy Moore and his readiness for a major role.

ToxSocks 03-17-2023 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16860742)
I'd say...

Option 1: DJ Chark under $10m
Option 2: OBJ under $15m
Option 3: Hopkins Trade = Pick + Absorb his $20m Contact

I like all three options, can't miss! Let's go!

Both those guys may come in well under the number you listed and the Chiefs still may not be interested.

I dont think they wanna pay OBJ 10+ let alone 15.

ToxSocks 03-17-2023 05:05 PM

Here's where we're at now:

Jakobi Meyers, Patriots (sigmed by Raiders for 3 years, $33 million)
JuJu Smith-Schuster, Chiefs (signed by Patriots for 3 years, $25.5 million)
Allen Lazard, Packers (signed by Jets for 4 years, $44 million)
D.J. Chark, Lions
Parris Campbell, Colts (signed by Giants for 1 year, $3 million)
Adam Thielen, Vikings
Mecole Hardman, Chiefs
Richie James, Giants
Julio Jones, Buccaneers
Marvin Jones Jr., Jaguars
Demarcus Robinson, Ravens
DeAndre Carter, Chargers
Mack Hollins, Raiders
Jarvis Landry, Saints
Odell Beckham Jr., street
Robert Woods, Titans (signed by Texans for 2 years, $15.25 million)
Darius Slayton, Giants (re-signed for 2 years, $12 million)
Trent Sherfield, Dolphins
Byron Pringle, Bears
Chris Moore, Texans
Nelson Agholor, Patriots
Isaiah McKenzie, Bills
Randall Cobb, Packers
Marquise Goodwin, Seahawks
Marquez Callaway, Saints
Damiere Byrd, Falcons
Noah Brown, Cowboys (signed with Texans)
Sammy Watkins, Ravens
Sterling Shepard, Giants (re-signed for 1 year)
T.Y. Hilton, Cowboys
Jamison Crowder, Bills
Braxton Berrios, Jets (signed by Dolphins for 1 year)
Chosen Anderson, Cardinals

Couch-Potato 03-17-2023 07:35 PM

DJ Chark would fit our trend of affordable depth signings of young players with low floors and quality upside, he'd be very similar to the JuJu signing and come for less than $10m

Easy 6 03-17-2023 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16860761)
You'll get Cornell Powell and a draft pick and you'll like it.

ROFL

ToxSocks 03-17-2023 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 16862101)
DJ Chark would fit our trend of affordable depth signings of young players with low floors and quality upside, he'd be very similar to the JuJu signing and come for less than $10m

And yet for 2 straight offseasons now there hasn't been even a whisper about the Chiefs having interest. Curious as to why.

Abba-Dabba 03-18-2023 10:01 AM

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Wilson8 03-18-2023 12:40 PM

I don't think that we overpay for Mecole Hardman. He comes back on a one-year deal to improve his ability to get a better multi-year deal.

KC also drafts a WR.

Dante84 03-19-2023 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16859807)
We are almost certainly going to sign *someone* before the draft.

Campbell and Slayton are off the board. Chark is visiting the Panthers tomorrow.

- OBJ?
- Trade for Hopkins?
- Trade for Brandin Cooks?
- Adam Thielen?
- Mecole Hardman?
- Mack Hollins?
- Jarvis Landry?
- Nelson Agholor?

Cook, Hollins, Thielen all gone.

The Franchise 03-19-2023 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 16865252)
Cook, Hopkins, Thielen all gone.

So is Hollins

Dante84 03-19-2023 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865266)
So is Hollins

I’ve been texting Hopkins so much that Hollins Auto-Corrected

Bump 03-19-2023 08:22 PM

Brandin Cooks is the most traded player ever


Who was that other receiver that was pretty similar? Had the nice smile for the camera catch when he played for the Patriots. Forget his name.


They seem like good quality wide receivers, must be their attitude or something?

smithandrew051 03-19-2023 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 16865269)
Brandin Cooks is the most traded player ever


Who was that other receiver that was pretty similar? Had the nice smile for the camera catch when he played for the Patriots. Forget his name.


They seem like good quality wide receivers, must be their attitude or something?

Deion Branch?

Bump 03-19-2023 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16865270)
Deion Branch?

brandon lloyd

Bump 03-19-2023 08:27 PM

But maybe, just maybe. Veech and Reid are so impressed with the undrafted rookie that went to IR, Ross. Is so damn impressive and awesome and they've been keeping that shit secret to surprise everyone week 1 and expect him to be the 2nd coming of randy moss? And that's why they aren't so quick to spend cash on a receiver just yet.

Archie Bunker 03-19-2023 08:34 PM

I think if you’re counting on a miracle, you’re looking at the wrong Ross.

Abba-Dabba 03-19-2023 10:00 PM

Hollins would have been workable for 2.5. But he is kind of weird. Not sure his vibe, would have vibed.

Megatron96 03-19-2023 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abba-Dabba (Post 16865395)
Hollins would have been workable for 2.5. But he is kind of weird. Not sure his vibe, would have vibed.

Don't know a thing about him other than watching him play a few games. What's weird about him?

Abba-Dabba 03-19-2023 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16865402)
Don't know a thing about him other than watching him play a few games. What's weird about him?

Maybe more eccentric than the average is the better way of saying it. He's not a bad guy from my understanding. More of a walk with no shoes type of fella.

He was Raider so I'd sleep with one eye open around him just to be safe.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-19-2023 10:24 PM

Great poll. Let it ride I say. We already have our starters. Kelce, Toney, Skyy, and MVS. We need young developmental depth. Not to mention some interesting camp guys in the likes of Justyn and John Ross.

We have 10 selections in this draft. There will be some nice options on day three. We're talking WR's 4, 5, and 6.

The Franchise 03-20-2023 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16865431)
Great poll. Let it ride I say. We already have our starters. Kelce, Toney, Skyy, and MVS. We need young developmental depth. Not to mention some interesting camp guys in the likes of Justyn and John Ross.

We have 10 selections in this draft. There will be some nice options on day three. We're talking WR's 4, 5, and 6.

Good ****ing luck next year then. Holy shit.

You're counting on Kelce who is another year older, Toney who has never been able to stay healthy, MVS who is inconsistent as **** and Moore.

You can sit here and say "Yeah but look at what we did this last year" but that's not sustainable by any ****ing means.

Megatron96 03-20-2023 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16865431)
Great poll. Let it ride I say. We already have our starters. Kelce, Toney, Skyy, and MVS. We need young developmental depth. Not to mention some interesting camp guys in the likes of Justyn and John Ross.

We have 10 selections in this draft. There will be some nice options on day three. We're talking WR's 4, 5, and 6.

Almost no chance we stand pat on the WR group as is. Veach will sign a vet (probably possession-type) WR.

AdolfOliverBush 03-20-2023 12:52 PM

I'll trust Veach, but I'm hoping the approach doesn't involve Hopkins or OBJ.

Ideally, we get our guy(s) via the draft.

FloridaMan88 03-20-2023 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16865431)
Great poll. Let it ride I say. We already have our starters. Kelce, Toney, Skyy, and MVS. We need young developmental depth. Not to mention some interesting camp guys in the likes of Justyn and John Ross.

We have 10 selections in this draft. There will be some nice options on day three. We're talking WR's 4, 5, and 6.

That strategy would be a disaster.

At the very least the Chiefs have to replace JJSS with another veteran, starting caliber WR. The only two realistically available guys who fit that description are OBJ and Hopkins.

Mecca 03-20-2023 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 16865431)
Great poll. Let it ride I say. We already have our starters. Kelce, Toney, Skyy, and MVS. We need young developmental depth. Not to mention some interesting camp guys in the likes of Justyn and John Ross.

We have 10 selections in this draft. There will be some nice options on day three. We're talking WR's 4, 5, and 6.

Yea that has the makings of absolute disaster all over it, good call.

Dante84 03-20-2023 04:38 PM

Okay, so, here we go.

This is the first legitimate whiff of Hopkins to KC smoke outside of people just "thinking" its a good fit.

The OBJ smoke has been there.


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Rainbarrel 03-20-2023 06:24 PM

Five AFC Championship Games has been awesome. Selling out for #6 is dumb AF

Megatron96 03-20-2023 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 16866707)
Five AFC Championship Games has been awesome. Selling out for #6 is dumb AF

What would 'selling out' look like exactly?

Rainbarrel 03-20-2023 06:33 PM

Kelce is #1 receiver. Being second fiddle to a TE requires too high a cost

Bump 03-20-2023 06:34 PM

is TO still training for a comeback?

TribalElder 03-20-2023 06:45 PM

mahomes liked tweets

emaw1979 03-20-2023 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 16866723)
Kelce is #1 receiver. Being second fiddle to a TE requires too high a cost

Kelce is great, but he's cleared lost a step or two. He will be 34 in October.

I don't like trading away assets so give me OBJ or Chark or hit it in the draft.

Bump 03-20-2023 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emaw1979 (Post 16866749)
Kelce is great, but he's cleared lost a step or two. He will be 34 in October.

I don't like trading away assets so give me OBJ or Chark or hit it in the draft.

:spock:

REDHOTGTO 03-20-2023 07:08 PM

DO NOT want OBJ, drama queen and outside of one terrific catch whats he got that we aint got now ?
draft a hungry kid thats fast

Titty Meat 03-20-2023 07:11 PM

If Moore takes the next step Kelce/Toney/Moore/MVS is fine Pacheco will have a big role in the offense as well

Megatron96 03-20-2023 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDHOTGTO (Post 16866757)
DO NOT want OBJ, drama queen and outside of one terrific catch whats he got that we aint got now ?
draft a hungry kid thats fast

uh, wut? I don't want OBJ, but let's not be stupid. If he were signed, he'd be the best WR in the building, by a metric ton. And no rook is going to be better than OBJ in their first year.


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