There's a chance he will be, yes.

I'll be disappointed if he's not. Even if he didn't know the whole playbook you can still manufacture some plays for him like the 49ers did with McCaffrey. And you don't really need to know a playbook to return kicks.

He needs to be active if only as a return man.

And hell, just putting him in the huddle and having him run guys off as a decoy has plenty of value if you aren't confident throwing him the football yet. You pair up him and MVS on a smash concept and you HAVE to respect him underneath, so you have him run a curl and the safety will have to monitor him due to his YAC ability.

You could just send him out there to free up MVS or Hardman on a shot play if you wanted to. And honestly, he's demonstrated such good feel for space that I think he'd be really valuable in a scramble drill as well.

He should get some time. Maybe 10-15 snaps on the offense and a dedicated presence as the primary returner.

If he's not active, I think you can assume it might be a hamstring thing more than a playbook/experience/skill thing, no?

I really wanna test out our shiny new toy though...

He insists he's healthy.

I'll be curious what the practice reports indicate. If he's limited today, that usually means he's a no-go for Andy. Gotta get a full week of practice in coming off injury before Andy will play guys with soft-tissue injuries.

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I’m also wondering if he starts at kick returner and pacheco gets more touches as an rb?

He's going to play against the Titans. It may only be a few snaps but he's going to play.

Oh yeah! Let's get this shit in motion

So I was watching a Chiefs podcast last night, and apparently Toney may or may not be a good punt/kick returner. He's only returned something like 16 punts/kicks between college and the NFL. And he had some drops doing it in college.

Now Toub is the best ST coach ever, so maybe it's just a question of coaching him up properly. No question the Chiefs coaching staff is the best he's ever been around, so there's plenty to be optimistic about, but Toney may not be our answer this season as a returner. Just saying.

But it also means Toney may not be returning kicks/punts right now.

He can't be any worse than "can't find the ball in the" Skyy Moore. Like someone else said a few days ago...I think returning punts is killing Skyy's confidence as a WR.

I guess we'll see. i don't know; I've only seen him return kicks/punts in his highlights reels, so of course there isn't any of him muffing one.

But considering his injury history, I doubt he's ever going to be a long-term returner. I think he'll be more of a situational returner.

so this guy currently has 2 bum hamstrings correct? When were they saying he MAY be ready to play?

Seems like this was a move more so for next season or to keep for trade bait and what not.

Both Andy Reid and Toney himself said he's 100% healthy and ready to go.

All the news says he's healthy and ready to play. There was something weird going on in NYG concerning his health. I've heard more than a couple of NY reporters say that management decided that Toney wasn't healthy when he said he was. And vice versa. It's confusing, but the bottom line is that the NYG and K. Toney disagreed about his status.

But yeah, the more I look into t, the more it seems like acquiring Toney was more about next season than this one. Which I guess means we're still looking for another offensive weapon for this season?

You think Toub is the beat ST coach ever? Even after watching KC trot Moore out there and muffing kicks?

If you look at the advanced analytics, he's one of the best ever, yes.

What he said.

Helps things if you do your homework.

Nm

How reliable are these so-called advanced analytics for ST coaches, though? Are they baseball WAR reliable or like, PFF QB rankings reliable? I'm not familiar with them at all, but based on how often Toub's teams seem to **** up, I'm deeply skeptical.

Homework doesn't help much if the teacher is drunk all the time...

They're more like PFF QB rankings. But all that means is that individually, you have to take them with a grain of salt. It's when ALL of them agree on something that really means something.

This is the key. Dave Toub's reputation as a ST coach is unanimous among all analysts, and among all NFL coaches. And has been for more than a decade.

The only people that question Toub's excellence as a ST coach is the occasional ignorant fan.

I dont really know if its possible to assign certain NFL positions for players a WAR like they do for baseball. Just so many variables and not every play is of equal value. Great QBs are great because they move the sticks on 3rd down. And can make crazy plays when their team is losing and they have to.

I'd give him KR & PR duties immediately, and develop a sweep and pass play for him his first week. Let him know he's got a place on this team and we've got him in mind.

I want this guy to be good so bad.

Be skeptical all you want.

Even better, watch just about any other team's ST play for 4 weeks. It's mostly a shitshow out there in the NFL. And nearly every team in the league would love to have Toub on their staff.

I think everyone does.

The nice part is that if he turns out to be a bust, we're not out anything of significance. It's like getting a free bet.

At first I was like there is no way Toney is returning punts and kickoffs because he had 1 punt return in NY, but he returned kickoffs and punts every year in college. Pacheco hadnt returned kicks since his freshmen year and they didn't have a problem letting him return kicks.

So will they have him returning kicks, because if he doesn't I think that means they think he might actually contribute on offense and want him focusing on the playbook.

Yeah, kinda weird for someone to bitch about the ST Coordinator because of a couple muffed punts.

All I know is absolutely nothing about analyzing specials teams, so I'll defer to the vast vast vast majority of people that say he's the best special teams coach in the league.

All depends on how he performs in practice. But I read somewhere that Toney has just one more return than Skyy or something like that.

Like I said earlier, some guys just can't reliably catch a kick.

CP needs something to bitch about. Probably nothing more complicated than that.

Heck, just the few pieces of primetime games I've seen this season tells you that we're pretty buttoned up on ST vs. the rest of the league. The only team with a better kicker situation than KC is BAL, and that's only because they have Tucker. Outside of Tucker, they don't do anything better than KC does ST-wise.

And every other special-teams unit in the league is far below KC's, year in and year out. Basically, our ST unit is boring. They do their jobs every game. We've had a couple miscues this season and a bit last season, but we've also had a little merry-go-round with our returners during the same period. We got spoiled because for awhile there Tyreek was our returner and the whole time he was doing it he only made like two mistakes, and otherwise he did something special every other time he caught it. After that it was a carousel of rookies, including Hardman, so of course CP went nuclear every time Hardman didn't run one back for a TD (as if Hill did, but rose-colored glasses). Heck, one game I remember a couple years back people were upset with Hardman because he waved for a fair catch maybe a smidge early.

Mostly CP is populated with some good to great football minds, but sometimes CP gets pretty stupid about dumb shit as well.

Lol - I heard December

Role ??? To be a Tyreek type of decoy with a few plays here and there and be another great return guy.

Yes. One or two well timed offensive plays that maximize his skills set and KR/PR

What I was getting at is Toney had a lot of returns in college. As a senior he had 7 kick returns and 11 punt returns. Moore and Pacheco didn't have hardly any in college. Moore with 1 punt return and 3 kick returns in his 3 years of college. Moore sucks shit at punt returning and they keep running him out there. Pacheco hadn't returned any kicks since his freshmen year.

Originally I thought there was a very small chance of him returning kicks or punts based on him having 1 return while with the Giants.

Moore has 12 punt returns for 84 yards. His 7 yards per return is like 35th in the league. His long of 15 is also 35th in the league. On top of being awful at it he's had 1 costly fumble and the other easily could have ****ed us over.

So with Moore being atrocious and a liability, then that definitely increases the chances of Toney returning punts for us. Add in the fact that Toney returned a bunch of kicks in college and it should be a no brainer.

Ah, gotcha.

Sunday stat prediction

20 yds on PR
15 yards rushing
25 yards receiving

I was off by one week. But he will get more touches as the weeks roll on.

11 yds on PR
33 yds rushing
57 yds recieving

Still think he could easily make these #s.

I really hope JJSS is okay. But that was a bad concussion, so I won't be surprised if hes out a couple weeks.

That said, Kad is probably going to get a lot more playing time and targets if JJSS doesn't suit up next week. Going to need his particular skills vs. that LAC pass rush.

So Spidey looks and acts a little eccentric.

Who gives a shit.* Dude is a gamer and seems like a good teammate.

*CP eugenicists, obvi.

He appears to be ahead of schedule.

GREAT!

Well, this whole Toney thing escalated quickly.

If he was more articulate in pressers he'd play better.

Well, I'm impressed. His usage today was a lot more than I expected to see from him this year. Looks like a steal.

Calling Chris Meck. Still feel like he won't do anything this year?

Riiiiight. It appears I live more in reality than you.

I'm shocked at how much run he got today

If his trajectory continues like this... WOOO

So far in 2 games (8 more to go)

6 receptions on 7 targets 69 yards 1 TD
2 rushing attempts for 33 yards.
2 punt returns for 11 yards.

At that pace he will have 340 yards recieving 5 TDS, 160 yds rushing

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:bravo:

:arrow::rockon::arrow::rockon::arrow::rockon::arrow::rockon::arrow:

He’s on his way!!!

Looked pretty solid today!

Glad they are getting him involved. You can see the talent and the passion from him. Doing it week in and week out and staying healthy may be the challenges, but for now the sky’s the limit

toney really is a cheat code

that jump ball on the sluggo LMAO

I knew he would be featured more today with Micole out.

He’s a 23 year old football player, not a $1,000/hour criminal defense attorney.

Doesn’t take an enigma machine to analyze the objections here.

bro

https://i.imgur.com/nSm8FLa.gif

https://i.imgur.com/Qq5FPz8.gif

That is definitely high pointing a caught ball. Amazing.

These two have an INSTANT connection, Pat laying it up there on that jump ball done sold me

How good would our WR room look next year with JuJu, MVS, Toney, Watson, and Moore with another year in the system.

Just ****ing sick.

How much better would they be if Andy got them all enunciation lessons? :D

Elocution.

https://youtu.be/i9K3NCMpDO8

I love having Toney. He is made for this offense.

Noah Gray is doing okay too but would like to get someone to replace Travis Kelce.

Gray has made a 2nd year leap for sure.

All hail our Caesar Bart Vatch.

He brings a new attitude to the WR corp. What a steal from the Giants. He plays like a 1st round pick.

Ah, right. Whatever. That would help our WRs play better. Lol, I knew that was from My Fair Lady before i even clicked it.

Nice call. Didn’t see this before.

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