I actually thought mecole looked really good in much of the role we want toney to play. I don’t know why we don’t just put mecole in on punts and to be our gadget guy. That is likely where he’ll immediately jump in and he doesn’t need a ton of time to learn that.

You really think that Toney is going to come in and do anything like that? With all of the guys that are here? lol whatever

These guys seem to fair better on Championship caliber teams.

Andy and Mahomes can make chicken salad out of the stinkiest of shit. Not worried about this at all.

Not really... a rookie WR would take a while to learn the system. This gives him a running start for 2023.

They flipped a comp pick for him...this move is for next year. Hardman is a goner..

Chiefs have a strong veteran locker room we’ll be fine. Oh, and winning and catching balls from Patrick Mahomes cures all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zxx" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/3jWNbjuLIR">pic.twitter.com/3jWNbjuLIR</a></p>&mdash; Patrick Mahomes II (@PatrickMahomes) <a href="https://twitter.com/PatrickMahomes/status/1585674458597040132?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Indeed it is.

As I said to you in April when you said you didn't like the deal: No risk it, no biscuit.

Scared money don't make money.

This is the kind of deal that could pay ENORMOUS dividends. I don't think some recognize just how electric this kid is. Probably the best player in space in that entire draft class. And he can ****ing fly.

And if it doesn't work out - okay, you lost a 3rd. {shrug} We had a spare one. And an extra 4th. Those have value but not immeasurably so. Your best case scenario with most 3rd round picks is a flyer at a position of importance (like, y'know, Kadarius Toney) or a more reliable pick at a position of LESS importance.

Well right now we have most of the second tier positions locked down pretty well for the foreseeable future. So in all probability, we'd be gambling on boom/bust guys with that pick anyway. And very possibly a WR at that.

This is a GREAT gamble.

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Toney can do everything Mecole can do and more and he'll be much cheaper over the next 2-3 years.

Thought we already had Justyn Ross as our uber talented injury prone WR.

Now, what does this say about Skyy Moore?

I hope you guys are right and it works out. I was just hoping we would add an impact player to the defense.

That was my guess.

Burning question: does he returned punts?

:bravo:

****ing nothing. Jesus Christ. Not everything has to be about Moore.

The Giants (or any team not named the Texans) aren't just going to give us a great player for peanuts.

If you want to wind up with a great player, you either have to pay out the ass or try to find a guy when his stock is low.

We're rolling the dice. Taking a risk. Whatever euphemism you want to use. Some of you who have been demanding Veach be more aggressive towards the end of the trade deadline are shirking at the draft pick we're giving up.

Let Veach do his thing. Toney might continue being a broke dick with a poor attitude. Or he might be productive. Either way, Veach is doing what ya'll wanted.

We still can.

You do realize the Chiefs still can make moves, yeah? You're not one and done at the trade deadline.

Goddamn I keep getting ponied.

Would rather have used that 3rd for a DE tbh

Fine. Hope he gets healthy.

Yeah - something tells me that Kadarius Toney isn't going to poison a locker room that has Kelce, Mahomes, Thuney and JuJu. Hell, by all accounts, OBJ is HIGHLY respected in the lockerroom.

This is a very very stable offensive group. I'm not even a little worried about adding a volatile personality to it (which is why I think the Pickens character concerns are overblown).

Might his personality prevent him from excelling in his own right? Yup - that's the risk.

But is his personality gonna detonate the lockerroom? Pft...Patrick Mahomes ain't Daniel Jones fellas. We're gonna be fine.

But what does that post say about 493rd?

I wonder if some of this is also a play to nudge hardman out. Really doubt the chiefs will sign him because someone will pay him way more than what he’s worth. It may be just as much a play for next year as it is this year. Toney has a dirt cheap contract for 2 more years.

How does this impact the cap?

Nah he good! LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney after being traded to the Chiefs 😂 <a href="https://t.co/Z5cY5eq5qz">pic.twitter.com/Z5cY5eq5qz</a></p>&mdash; #RingerNFL (@ringernfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/ringernfl/status/1585673538492563456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nothing really because Moore is under contract for 3 more years after this one.

If it says anything, it says they're not sold on keeping Hardman around.

Nothing great.

Yes.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney is under contract through 2024 with a 2025 team option available. <br><br>His salary and cap hit for the next 3 years is: <br>2022: $784K<br>2023: $1.907M<br>2024: $2.531M<br><br>Availability has been a problem for Toney (12 games missed already), but a value if healthy and right.</p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1585672882948038657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, MVS was nothing in GB and now he's doing well. JuJu didnt have great numbers last year and now he is doing well. Hardman has stepped up recently. We got two TD's out of Watson who is a Brady cast off. Moore is still learning a lot and probably in the dog house a little. Why did they trade him and why do we want him? Not sure but he does catch well and run well. Another bigger body for Mahomes and some depth. he may turn out to be a steal in December. I always hated our lack of size at WR but we have reversed that this year and it's awsome. Big Boddies matter in the red zone especially in the cold weather.

LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And yes, Kadarius Toney could be a factor later this season on special teams as a potential returner.</p>&mdash; Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor/status/1585675770395082755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fully expecting this to already be posted in the time it took me to post it.

Let's freaking goo!!!

Yeah no kidding.

And so what if he IS being locker room cancery? It didn't seem to affect the goddamn Giants.

One in his short NFL career. But he returned several in college.

Exactly, if anything, this just makes me feel really good about having 2 young talented WRs on rookie deals.

LMAO Kind of forgot the Giants ate a bunch of the $$$. If he's productive that's actually reeruned value.

At the very least I’d expect him to immediately be our punt returner. So he’ll contribute right away.

Andy does have the ability to turn problem children into stars.....

Hes actually not a small WR. Hes 6'0

Resign JuJu and we will have a pretty good trio of receivers next year.

So going into next year we have three young talented WR prospects. Moore, Ross and Toney. And maybe an electric PR from Toney this year.

Interdasting, dude dances a lot but it's typically good results. Had a couple of Demarcus first downs lost but hey he's shifty.

Bart loves him some former 1st rounders. Still good trade and Chiefs have the locker room too.

Of course it doesn’t but it’s worth asking. Sorry you disagree bud.

Toney is also your Hardman replacement going forward as the gadget guy. Hardman hasn’t been what we were hoping for, but definitely does have a role with us

Of course it does.

Chiefs used a 2nd round pick on a WR that people were just saying will get more touches after the bye. Now the Chiefs trade picks for another young WR that will be competing with him for playing time and touches.

Like it or not, there is a connection.

Thanks

You aren’t allowed to say that here, especially after his 3 TD performance last week.

My other initial thought. This is a long-term move, given the escalating price of WRs.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">10.7% of Kadarius Toney’s targets were on passes 20+ yards.<br><br>Toney graded 99.6 with a perfect 158.3 passer rating when targeted on these routes. <a href="https://t.co/qRjZOJl7jq">pic.twitter.com/qRjZOJl7jq</a></p>&mdash; PFF NY Giants (@PFF_Giants) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_Giants/status/1409945176865452032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honestly, this is a lot more in line with the offseason than a move for a guy like OBJ.

The Chiefs are thinking about the next 2-3 years, not this year.

a third round pick

what in the **** why

So who is going to get cut? Rojo?

This is correct,

He can do all the same jet sweeps etc. He does look like a more natural catcher of the ball tho./

He doesn't play big at all.

He's not short, but he's not 'big'. He has a very slight build.

Again, this guy is VERY much a Mecole Hardman sort of player. Very good with the ball in his hands and excellent on sweeps, etc... Very fast (but better quick twitch burst and change of direction, IMO). Tall but lean and angular.

He's no more a red zone 'big body' than Hardman is. And like I said, if he shows anything at all, he very probably spells the end of Hardman in KC long-term.

No, it really doesn't.

Moore and Toney can both be a big part of this offense after this year.

Wiley. Then we can move OBJ to RT and sign Fisher. Gotta protect Mahomes so he has time to get the ball to all these receivers.

Yup, not wanting to pay him the large number he might receive.

We're getting the crazy-speed WR that typically goes higher than he should in the draft for a 3rd comp.

Did we make a trade for another one I missed?

Honestly if anyone can get him to live up to his potential it is Reid and Mahomes. Not a bad trade all things considered.

Just yesterday I was bitching to DJ about how Hardman is good on scheduled manufactured touches but struggles to actually run routes consistently and play WR and there are speed options to replace what he brings without paying that mother****er.

And wouldn’t you know…24 hours later we trade a pick not even in the top 100 of the draft for a guy to do just that…and he’s cheap for 4 more years LMAO

Man life comes at you fast.

You take the deals as they happen.....this fell in their lap.

A 6 foot WR that runs a 4.3 and was the 20th overall pick? A WR who will cost a grand total of like $5M for the next 3 years and has a 5th year option as well?

The real question is "why not?"

You're right, Moore has no talent. Might as well just write him off completely!

Hopefully Clyde

Also that pick is basically a 4th. It’s not a pick in the top 100

Yeah, I mean… it seems we just figured out how to best use hardman against SF. But we’re at a point where we can’t overpay role players. I like hardman but I can’t imagine a scenario where the chiefs pay him next year unless he takes way below what he’ll be offered elsewhere.

FWIW, a lot of Giants fans on reddit are saying his attitude problems are overblown.

Waited for an interesting time to do this considering Hardman just had his best game as a Chief, but I get it.

Ultimately I think we'll probably end up washing out on the comp pick formula since we'll have some cap space to get sign some guys.

But if we don't and Hardman ends up netting a 2nd day comp pick, you're recapturing not some of the pick value, but gaining significant cap room in the process.

I like Hardman and think his role here is far more important than most will acknowledge. But if Toney hits, he's an obvious Hardman replacement long-term.

Small risk for potential reward. I’m glad Burt is at least trying to make some moves.

Physical freak ,fast shifty some of the reason she hasn’t played were injury but mostly the coaching staff weren’t fans, the game he was healthy I think he go only 2 carries. I’m hoping they were using injury as an excuse to not play him.

Now that he's a Chief I'm picking up huge Deebo Samual meets Marvin Harrison vibes.

Good news is Toney might be able to learn the offense quicker than usual since Kafka is the OC for the Giants.

More like a move for 2023 probably. Hardman and Ju Ju are FA's but I think we keep Ju Ju. Just a gut feeling he will want to stay with Mahomes and take a fair contract.

That's actually a really great point.

I'm sure somebody has spoken to Kafka about him.

Yeah, I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of the Giants fanbase here, but I'm betting they're upset to lose a former top 20 pick with a lot of team control and obvious talent for a pick around 100 in the draft.

Hardman is going to get paid by someone...not top-tier $$ but more than he's worth...Chiefs know this.