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Chiefnj2 10-03-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16505884)
Nobody ever gets sacks game in and game out. It's rare even for the best.

Sacks usually come in bunches. Karlaftis could easily have only 4 or 5 games where he gets a sack and still get 8-10.

The amount of pressure he's getting is encouraging. He'll eventually get some sacks.

Do you have his numbers from the last two weeks? Pressures and hits?

Rain Man 10-03-2022 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge (Post 16505214)
I'll have to go back to look to verify myself, but I was certain it went through one set of hands and then hit MVS right in the bread basket. It was an unfortunate drop, one I bet MVS wishes he had back as well.

The second drop even Andy was visibly upset. Which is a rarity. He better learn from it. The whole thing was weird. Kelce was upset. Mahomes had to pull him off the field. Who knows what was going on there.

I wasn't sure what was going on with Kelce there, and I was worried about it. The camera seemed to show Mahomes yelling at Kelce, and then Kelce walked off the field like he was at a funeral. I want Mahomes and Kelce to be happy.

And yeah, you never see Andy Reid react like that. It was a shocker. I also want Andy Reid to be happy.

Abba-Dabba 10-03-2022 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16505768)
Considering the tag next year would net a 20% increase in guaranteed money ON TOP of the top 5 salary he's already making this year, I would say the answer is "no".

We'll just have to see where the year plays out. Maybe he wants to come back on an even cheaper bet on yourself contract.

I haven't looked at the left tackle market to see what is available next year. So I don't know for sure if there is any viable replacement in FA or any OT that could be drafted and play LT day 1.

htismaqe 10-03-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16505981)
Do you have his numbers from the last two weeks? Pressures and hits?

Pressures/hurries are difficult to track because they are somewhat subjective (and usually behind a paywall to boot).

The best I can do is show you this:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...e_advanced.htm

Karlaftis ranks right behind Chris Jones, tied for 2nd in hurries.

Abba-Dabba 10-03-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16506005)
I wasn't sure what was going on with Kelce there, and I was worried about it. The camera seemed to show Mahomes yelling at Kelce, and then Kelce walked off the field like he was at a funeral. I want Mahomes and Kelce to be happy.

And yeah, you never see Andy Reid react like that. It was a shocker. I also want Andy Reid to be happy.

Watching the play as it happened on DVR, not the replay in the booth. It definitely looked like to me that Kelce turned to MVS and just screamed in frustration in his direction. Mahomes I think noticed Kelce was visibly frustrated and was trying to get Kelce off the field. If you watch it again, you see as Mahomes put his arm around Kelce he is motioning to the sidelines, like let's handle it on the sidelines.

htismaqe 10-03-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge (Post 16506008)
We'll just have to see where the year plays out. Maybe he wants to come back on an even cheaper bet on yourself contract.

I just don't think there's any way we can go from him wanting to be the highest paid LT in football to him getting a team-friendly middling contract. I don't think he'll do it.

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge (Post 16506008)
I haven't looked at the left tackle market to see what is available next year. So I don't know for sure if there is any viable replacement in FA or any OT that could be drafted and play LT day 1.

Given the presumptive price tag, I'm not sure it matters who his replacement is. You could get similar "adequate" play out of a decent free agent who makes HALF as much. And then you could draft a developmental player as your long-term solution.

I mean, even if OBJ plays like he did yesterday for the rest of the year, he's good but he's not THAT good. Not $20-25M per good.

Abba-Dabba 10-03-2022 03:47 PM

Could be that Kelce ran the wrong route, was bumped off his route. Who knows. Just a little interesting is all it was.

Abba-Dabba 10-03-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16506014)
I just don't think there's any way we can go from him wanting to be the highest paid LT in football to him getting a team-friendly middling contract. I don't think he'll do it.



Given the presumptive price tag, I'm not sure it matters who his replacement is. You could get similar "adequate" play out of a decent free agent who makes HALF as much. And then you could draft a developmental player as your long-term solution.

I mean, even if OBJ plays like he did yesterday for the rest of the year, he's good but he's not THAT good. Not $20-25M per good.


It might be his best opportunity.

So who do you think they go after to get on an adequate contract?

Gary Cooper 10-03-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DTHOF (Post 16505924)
They went to college together and Wylie has shut out Crosby at least three times that I can remember.

Oh yeah. Forgot about that story. Maybe Crosby will avoid him to line up against OBJ.

Easy 6 10-03-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16505884)
Nobody ever gets sacks game in and game out. It's rare even for the best.

Sacks usually come in bunches. Karlaftis could easily have only 4 or 5 games where he gets a sack and still get 8-10.

The amount of pressure he's getting is encouraging. He'll eventually get some sacks.

Yeah man, its hard to believe some people are already becoming "disappointed"

This kids motor is going to pay dividends sooner than later

Chiefnj2 10-03-2022 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16506011)
Pressures/hurries are difficult to track because they are somewhat subjective (and usually behind a paywall to boot).

The best I can do is show you this:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...e_advanced.htm

Karlaftis ranks right behind Chris Jones, tied for 2nd in hurries.

Thanks for the link. I read he had 6 pressures in the Cards game. They have him with 7 pressures now, which would mean 1 in the last 3 games.

scho63 10-03-2022 05:11 PM

We pasted nearly 200 yards of rushing on the TOP rushing D in the NFL.

They had all their weapons so no excuses, unlike our Oline in the Super Bowl.

htismaqe 10-03-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16506113)
Thanks for the link. I read he had 6 pressures in the Cards game. They have him with 7 pressures now, which would mean 1 in the last 3 games.

I will probably go back and watch the all 22 at some point. I honestly don’t know of another way. It’s really hard to find pressure stats.

Megatron96 10-03-2022 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16506201)
I will probably go back and watch the all 22 at some point. I honestly don’t know of another way. It’s really hard to find pressure stats.

As you mentioned earlier, it's incredibly arbitrary.

A couple seasons ago i remember a play vs. LAC where Clark strip-sacked Rivers and the ball hit Nnadi (I think) right in the stomach. The play went down in the books as an INT instead. Clark didn't get credit for anything, even though he was clearly the one who hit Rivers' hand knocking the ball out of Philip's hand and into Nnadi's stomach.

ToxSocks 10-03-2022 06:03 PM

I've never really done the random thought thing but here goes:

1. Jaylen Watson kinda reminds me of Sneed. When he does get beat, he's just so damn close to making the play.

2. DL didn't do a whole lot in terms of pressure. It may have been Karlaftis' worst game so far. None of our DE's were getting close. The most impactful hits on Brady came from DB blitzes and our pressure seemed to mostly come from the interior.

3. That Frank Clark tackle attempt in the 1st quarter when Fournette broke his only run....that was pathetic. He didn't even attempt to wrap. He literally just threw his shoulder at him. WTF.

4. Trey Smith may have had his best game of the season so far.

5. Skyy Moore looks like he has some sticky hands. He just snatched that ball out in front of him.

6. Pacheco looked great (no shit), but he ran harder than we've seen him run at any point thus far. He was amped up. I don't think the Chiefs need to rush him into #1 back duties. CEH has looked great in his own right, and i'd rather Pacheco have fresh legs going into the winter months.

7. I think we see why Reid doesn't use CEH in the passing game. I've seen enough now to realize his hands aren't great. He has a very small catch radius and he's dropped more missed more opportunities than he should. Leads one to believe he's simply not that good at it.

8. Anyone else notice that shots of Beinemy on the sideline were damn near non-existent last night?

Marcellus 10-03-2022 07:01 PM

I would have to watch it again to be certain but on the pass Mahomes didn’t see Hardman I think presnap he had already decided where he was going with the ball. It was snap drop and throw.

Just didn’t work out.

Easy 6 10-03-2022 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16506220)
I've never really done the random thought thing but here goes:

1. Jaylen Watson kinda reminds me of Sneed. When he does get beat, he's just so damn close to making the play.

2. DL didn't do a whole lot in terms of pressure. It may have been Karlaftis' worst game so far. None of our DE's were getting close. The most impactful hits on Brady came from DB blitzes and our pressure seemed to mostly come from the interior.

3. That Frank Clark tackle attempt in the 1st quarter when Fournette broke his only run....that was pathetic. He didn't even attempt to wrap. He literally just threw his shoulder at him. WTF.

4. Trey Smith may have had his best game of the season so far.

5. Skyy Moore looks like he has some sticky hands. He just snatched that ball out in front of him.

6. Pacheco looked great (no shit), but he ran harder than we've seen him run at any point thus far. He was amped up. I don't think the Chiefs need to rush him into #1 back duties. CEH has looked great in his own right, and i'd rather Pacheco have fresh legs going into the winter months.

7. I think we see why Reid doesn't use CEH in the passing game. I've seen enough now to realize his hands aren't great. He has a very small catch radius and he's dropped more missed more opportunities than he should. Leads one to believe he's simply not that good at it.

8. Anyone else notice that shots of Beinemy on the sideline were damn near non-existent last night?

#4 is a lock, his ankle is back in fighting shape

chiefzilla1501 10-03-2022 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16506220)
I've never really done the random thought thing but here goes:

1. Jaylen Watson kinda reminds me of Sneed. When he does get beat, he's just so damn close to making the play.

2. DL didn't do a whole lot in terms of pressure. It may have been Karlaftis' worst game so far. None of our DE's were getting close. The most impactful hits on Brady came from DB blitzes and our pressure seemed to mostly come from the interior.

3. That Frank Clark tackle attempt in the 1st quarter when Fournette broke his only run....that was pathetic. He didn't even attempt to wrap. He literally just threw his shoulder at him. WTF.

4. Trey Smith may have had his best game of the season so far.

5. Skyy Moore looks like he has some sticky hands. He just snatched that ball out in front of him.

6. Pacheco looked great (no shit), but he ran harder than we've seen him run at any point thus far. He was amped up. I don't think the Chiefs need to rush him into #1 back duties. CEH has looked great in his own right, and i'd rather Pacheco have fresh legs going into the winter months.

7. I think we see why Reid doesn't use CEH in the passing game. I've seen enough now to realize his hands aren't great. He has a very small catch radius and he's dropped more missed more opportunities than he should. Leads one to believe he's simply not that good at it.

8. Anyone else notice that shots of Beinemy on the sideline were damn near non-existent last night?

Definitely on bieniemy. You can just read the body language that his abrasive mess is starting to rub people the wrong way. Also encouraging for mahomes to sit down with a clipboard with Nagy. Not just to discuss strategy but to keep an open line with someone capable of adjusting to the coverages. Somethjng sorely missing the past few games prior.

Karlaftis needs to learn he can’t just overpower his blockers. That’s fine. It’s early and this is a great lesson for him.

Also believe our pressure issues will be solved as our coverage progresses. Quick throw qbs like brady are always a challenge for pass rushes. We need guys like McDuffie and for our young DBs to develop, which they will. If we play Tampa again, crazy to think about how much our team will have grown by then.

ToxSocks 10-03-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16506317)
Definitely on bieniemy. You can just read the body language that his abrasive mess is starting to rub people the wrong way. Also encouraging for mahomes to sit down with a clipboard with Nagy. Not just to discuss strategy but to keep an open line with someone capable of adjusting to the coverages. Somethjng sorely missing the past few games prior.

Karlaftis needs to learn he can’t just overpower his blockers. That’s fine. It’s early and this is a great lesson for him.

Also believe our pressure issues will be solved as our coverage progresses. Quick throw qbs like brady are always a challenge for pass rushes. We need guys like McDuffie and for our young DBs to develop, which they will. If we play Tampa again, crazy to think about how much our team will have grown by then.

Heh. Just finished the Simms podcast and he thought Reid was calling the plays last night. Said he thought the playcalling had more rhythm.

And when McDuffie comes back it makes you wonder who should sit. I think Watson has made a case for himself. Not every wr is going to be Williams and Evans to where they can use their big frames to out position you. Nor will they have Brady and Herbert throwing strikes. So while he's given up plays, he's been in position seemingly every time.

I think the initial reaction is to say sit Fenton, but I just love the way that guy plays. He's been holding up well out there too. He can get a little grabby at times and he's a bit under sized, but I think he brings some fire to the secondary.

It'll be interesting to see what the Chiefs do there, though I expect them to just take their time with McDuffie and then sit Watson when he's back.

Rain Man 10-03-2022 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16506364)
Heh. Just finished the Simms podcast and he thought Reid was calling the plays last night. Said he thought the playcalling had more rhythm.

And when McDuffie comes back it makes you wonder who should sit. I think Watson has made a case for himself. Not every wr is going to be Williams and Evans to where they can use their big frames to out position you. Nor will they have Brady and Herbert throwing strikes. So while he's given up plays, he's been in position seemingly every time.

I think the initial reaction is to say sit Fenton, but I just love the way that guy plays. He's been holding up well out there too. He can get a little grabby at times and he's a bit under sized, but I think he brings some fire to the secondary.

It'll be interesting to see what the Chiefs do there, though I expect them to just take their time with McDuffie and then sit Watson till he's back,


Yeah, McDuffie's a mystery to me right now, but based on his optimistic reports I feel like we have four starting-caliber cornerbacks. That's one of the top ten elements of happiness.

Rasputin 10-03-2022 09:18 PM

OBJ may have done Blanch a solid by not signing a long term contract now we have options in the offseason.

JPH83 10-03-2022 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16505884)
Nobody ever gets sacks game in and game out. It's rare even for the best.

Sacks usually come in bunches. Karlaftis could easily have only 4 or 5 games where he gets a sack and still get 8-10.

The amount of pressure he's getting is encouraging. He'll eventually get some sacks.

Yeah I think he'll have better days and get his sacks, but I'd be surprised if he got near 10. Too early but I've tried to focus on him and there's definitely areas of play where he's been very average. He gets washed out a fair bit on run plays and is just miles from the action,and there's a lot of snaps where he doesn't seem to have an idea after the OT deals with his power.

He's probably been the most underwhelming rookie after the preseason hype. But it doesn't concern me as it's mainly just testament to how good the rest have looked.

JPH83 10-03-2022 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16506220)
I've never really done the random thought thing but here goes:

1. Jaylen Watson kinda reminds me of Sneed. When he does get beat, he's just so damn close to making the play.

2. DL didn't do a whole lot in terms of pressure. It may have been Karlaftis' worst game so far. None of our DE's were getting close. The most impactful hits on Brady came from DB blitzes and our pressure seemed to mostly come from the interior.

3. That Frank Clark tackle attempt in the 1st quarter when Fournette broke his only run....that was pathetic. He didn't even attempt to wrap. He literally just threw his shoulder at him. WTF.

4. Trey Smith may have had his best game of the season so far.

5. Skyy Moore looks like he has some sticky hands. He just snatched that ball out in front of him.

6. Pacheco looked great (no shit), but he ran harder than we've seen him run at any point thus far. He was amped up. I don't think the Chiefs need to rush him into #1 back duties. CEH has looked great in his own right, and i'd rather Pacheco have fresh legs going into the winter months.

7. I think we see why Reid doesn't use CEH in the passing game. I've seen enough now to realize his hands aren't great. He has a very small catch radius and he's dropped more missed more opportunities than he should. Leads one to believe he's simply not that good at it.

8. Anyone else notice that shots of Beinemy on the sideline were damn near non-existent last night?

Not sure I'm quite there on 1 but agree with all the rest.

The DL outside of Jones is really struggling to rush. We may have the least effective DEs in the NFL and I'm surprised to find myself missing Danna. I think Nnadi is probably gone next year. Saunders is infuriatingly up and down. That said it's amazing how effective our blitzing continues to be.

Thought it was Thornhill's worst game this year after a really fast start, Bolton's too in coverage. BUT, it was Cook's best game which was encouraging. That pass break up was top level.

oldman 10-04-2022 07:10 AM

I re-watched the game last night and noticed a few things some of you mentioned.

The play calls seemed to come in much faster and there was more rhythm in the drives.

Karlaftis is going to be just fine. He's playing with his hand in the dirt a lot more than he did in college, so his technique needs to change. He doesn't have that extra step or 2 to get his bull rush on. Does anyone have his snap counts for the 1st 4 games? I think he was in a lot more Sundays night. Let's see what he does against other QBs that have a slower release.

I don't think Kelce was pissed at MVS so much as he was for some of the mugging that was taking place downfield. It'd be pretty weak sauce to call out MVS for a tough catch when he missed a couple.

Maybe CEH is running harder because a 7th rounder is taking some of his carries.

htismaqe 10-04-2022 07:12 AM

Karlaftis has been playing more snaps than anybody not named Chris Jones.

htismaqe 10-04-2022 07:24 AM

I went back and watched that play a couple of times.

I don't think Kelce is upset about the drop. I think MVS ran his route too short. It looks to me like he was supposed to set a pick on Kelce's guy.

RunKC 10-04-2022 07:34 AM

Karlaftis had a tough matchup this week. Wirfs is the best RT in the league IMO and Smith is quite good as well.

Brady also get the ball out quickly.

suzzer99 10-04-2022 09:17 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Expected and Actual yards per carry given defender position at time of handoff<br><br>Going to go out on a limb and say that the James Conner and, especially, Chase Edmonds deals have already not aged well <a href="https://t.co/gRgoxjItiO">pic.twitter.com/gRgoxjItiO</a></p>&mdash; Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1577306815104180228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Supposedly CEH and Pacheco are both gaining well above the expected yards.

Otter 10-04-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 16504871)
That was probably the most disappointing thing to me last night. Our front 4 just couldn’t generate much. Clark is such a non-factor right now. It’s pretty painful to watch him play.


Why the Chiefs kept Clark over Charvarius Ward is the 'how many licks to get to the center of a tootsie roll lollipop' question.

ptlyon 10-04-2022 12:58 PM

That answer has always been 3

Imon Yourside 10-04-2022 12:59 PM

Just saw JuJu at Sams club at 95th street in OP. :)

I didn't tell him CP thinks he sucks lolz

Rain Man 10-04-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16506832)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Expected and Actual yards per carry given defender position at time of handoff<br><br>Going to go out on a limb and say that the James Conner and, especially, Chase Edmonds deals have already not aged well <a href="https://t.co/gRgoxjItiO">pic.twitter.com/gRgoxjItiO</a></p>&mdash; Computer Cowboy (@benbbaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1577306815104180228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Supposedly CEH and Pacheco are both gaining well above the expected yards.

How can we have a dominant run-blocking grade while CEH and Pacheco both have miniscule expected yards per carry?


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