Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16444538)

OK, the threads that we have on the 2022 KC roster are buried and this thread is about the Chiefs and is active. Let me ask some quick questions.

What the Hell is currently going on with the KC roster?

We heard that Elijah Lee was going to be on the Practice Squad but that was only temporary. He would soon be on the 53.

We heard that Blake Bell was going on IR so he could heal. Are they waiting on doctor reports on him?

Some speculated that Malik Herring was going on IR. After all the Chiefs kept 6 DEs. If so, do they bring back DT Danny Shelton?

Some have speculated that a free agent was still in the works.

Andy Reid said they were going to practice a week and then they were going to take some time off. It seems like Brett's office has closed down too.

It seems like the Chiefs also need to renegotiate some contracts. Overthecap.com shows the Chiefs with the 5th worst cap space with only $1,622,040.

Sorry if I sidetrack this thread for a couple of posts, but what is going on and why the delay?

Damn It! I am ready for some football and want to know who is on this team.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444630)

That entire list of roster shit is so hilariously nothing to worry about. We're lucky.

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444429)

Imagine sitting around listening to podcasts all day so you can find one that says we won't be good.

What's the use of that kind of fandom if you aren't optimistic about a team that has been to the AFC championship four years in a row coached by Reid and helmed by Mahomes?

Because you anticipate injuries???? Seriously? That's some world class pessimism, GTFO with that nonsense.

Nobody wants to read this shit. Go cry into your wet blanket alone in the basement.

Originally Posted by threebag (Post 16444458)

Good, I was wondering if you would know I was talking to you. Maybe she’ll let me punt that pussy like she’s 17

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 16444484)

Ceiling 12-5 because the schedule is so tough.

Floor 9-8 because although we are young, we still have a roster that’s got plenty of talent.

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16444335)

e past two years, you see a renewed charge by KC players to win.

The Chiefs need to know that the NFL is after them and they better be ready for it. The Chiefs need that type of player effort because that's what other teams will be throwing at us.

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16444538)

OK, the threads that we have on the 2022 KC roster are buried and this thread is about the Chiefs and is active. Let me ask some quick questions.

What the Hell is currently going on with the KC roster?

We heard that Elijah Lee was going to be on the Practice Squad but that was only temporary. He would soon be on the 53.

We heard that Blake Bell was going on IR so he could heal. Are they waiting on doctor reports on him?

Some speculated that Malik Herring was going on IR. After all the Chiefs kept 6 DEs. If so, do they bring back DT Danny Shelton?

Some have speculated that a free agent was still in the works.

Andy Reid said they were going to practice a week and then they were going to take some time off. It seems like Brett's office has closed down too.

It seems like the Chiefs also need to renegotiate some contracts. Overthecap.com shows the Chiefs with the 5th worst cap space with only $1,622,040.

Sorry if I sidetrack this thread for a couple of posts, but what is going on and why the delay?

Damn It! I am ready for some football and want to know who is on this team.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16444178)

The first thing to pop up on my reddit feed was an NFL bold prediction thread, and the OP's bold prediction is the Chiefs don't make the playoffs, heh.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444140)

I think it's 50/50 we make it to the AFCCG.

Mahomes on a mission is hard to bet against, but even if we're clicking on all cylinders, goddamn the Chargers/Bills/Bengals look good.

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16444534)

Definitely foresee some struggles from both the offense and defense to start the season. Not surprising what with all the new faces, particularly all the rookies that are on the roster.

On defense and offense all these new guys and young players are going to have to get comfortable with the playbooks and each other. This was the case in 2019 as well as 2020? Whatever. It took some time, but eventually they got in the groove and their play dramatically improved.

No real reason to think history won't repeat itself to some extent this season. The defense will be up and down through the first half of the season or so, and they'll be playing an abbreviated playbook until everyone gets on the same page. Ditto the offense. It just should click quicker for the offense this time around, with the overall higher quality of the skill players.

But add in the fact that KC is playing 5(?) playoff teams from last season in the first 7 weeks, including four teams that last season owned a top-10 offense last season, and it could be tough sledding for the Chiefs until the bye.

AZ had a top-10 offense last year, and while I'm very optimistic about the defense going into this season, in recent memory the Chiefs have been pretty not good against mobile QBs, and Kyler is among the elite in that category.

Then we get LAC, now with another elite pass rusher in Khalil. And Herbert's no slouch in either passing or running either. Keenan Allen's coming off a career-type year, Ekeler looks to be healthy, M. Williams set a personal best in several categories in 2021.

Then the only cakewalk game is vs. IND, followed by the Bucs (beat us in the SB last we met), LAR with D. Adams, the Bills (that would've beaten us in the playoffs last season except for a coin flip), and the 49ers, that were in the process of beating KC in the SB, until the last 7 minutes happened.

Realistically, if the Chiefs can get to the bye 4-3, even 3-4, I do like our chances down the stretch. The schedule does ease up a bit what with TEN, JAX, HOU and SEA as a bit of a cushion. 11-6 or 12-5 seems pretty doable.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16444811)

Biggest concerns with the team:
1. An injury to a staring OL. The team has virtually no depth on the line.
2. Big play % will go way down without Hill making shootouts much harder.
3. This ties into #2, young secondary will have growing pains leading to some shootouts.
4. Pass rush.
5. Juju’s health.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16444906)

Does any team in the NFL have great proven OL depth? Or is it all young guys and/or washed ups?

It's really rare to go through a season with LDT as your backup G. You don't see that often. What the Chiefs have right now is about normal in terms of OL depth.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444118)

Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL:DR:

Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 16445127)

KC Chiefs will win Super Bowl

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16444906)

Does any team in the NFL have great proven OL depth? Or is it all young guys and/or washed ups?

It's really rare to go through a season with LDT as your backup G. You don't see that often. What the Chiefs have right now is about normal in terms of OL depth.

Originally Posted by Best22 (Post 16444821)

Tennessee and Indianapolis are not cakewalks

That’s just how tough our schedule is. We have Seattle, Houston, and Jacksonville as our only “gimmes”

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16445163)

Correct

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16445250)

exhausting.


...just enjoy the ride in the Ferrari while you can.

I mean, it wasn't really that long ago when we were riding around in a Pinto wagon with a rod knock..

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 16444811)

Biggest concerns with the team:
1. An injury to a staring OL. The team has virtually no depth on the line.
2. Big play % will go way down without Hill making shootouts much harder.
3. This ties into #2, young secondary will have growing pains leading to some shootouts.
4. Pass rush.
5. Juju’s health.

Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 16445250)

exhausting.


...just enjoy the ride in the Ferrari while you can.

I mean, it wasn't really that long ago when we were riding around in a Pinto wagon with a rod knock..

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444118)

Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL:DR:

Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16445779)

Big plays were already way down due to the cover 2 shells. I think this offense is actually MORE explosive than last year.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16445779)

Big plays were already way down due to the cover 2 shells. I think this offense is actually MORE explosive than last year.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16445855)

I’ll have to look for the stat but cover 2 is now the primary defensive formation in the NFL. QB’s across the league did not do well against it.

Fortunately Mahomes had experience against it last year and overcame it. Now that he’s got an entire offseason to review it and the team had decent (at worst) players throughout our WR corps it’s will really help.

I think we’re gonna see Patrick destroying 2nd and 3rd corners this year in the middle of the field.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16445917)

I don't understand the anxious wailing of "the schedule, it's this it's that"

THey play a tough schedule. They always do. When you win, it's what happens.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16445918)

The tough schedule has a silver lining, too.

They're going to be fully tested by the time the playoffs roll around.

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 16445946)

I remember all the growing pains we experienced with drafting a gunslinger with no footwork. Remember all the dumb picks he threw in his first year starting?

Jesus, it was awful.

New guys coming in, simply cannot do the job at a high level guys.

You cant just turn over a defensive roster in one offseason and win a superbowl. Wait....did that happen?

You cant just get better across the board at receiver with that gimmicky backyard football flash in the pan gunslinger and win a superbowl. Yeah. Thats it.

Cuz new guy growing pains.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16445865)

Direckshun, do you think the win totals for the Donkeys and Bolts are reasonable? Considering that they are unproven and have not achieved those win totals in years? The Chiefs have proven they can win with a tough schedule, and have done so repeatedly.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446348)

Least popular opinion on this board: I think the Chargers are built for us and have a damn good shot at sweeping us this year. Meeting Mahomes in the playoffs is a different beast, but in the regular season they may get us. I'm very high on that team.

The Broncos are going to be what most every Russell Wilson team is: dynamic and intimidating for the first half of the season before collapsing the last month and a half.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16446552)

So you have more faith in an unproven Chargers and Donkeys team than you do in the team that has hosted 4 straight AFC title games. Got it.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446348)

The Broncos are going to be what most every Russell Wilson team is: dynamic

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16446647)

Brandon Staley attempting to hatch another cunning plan to win the AFC West this year:

https://c.tenor.com/IGl690rxkbEAAAAM...nes-coyote.gif

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444127)

All I see is 17-0

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446348)

Least popular opinion on this board: I think the Chargers are built for us and have a damn good shot at sweeping us this year. Meeting Mahomes in the playoffs is a different beast, but in the regular season they may get us. I'm very high on that team.

The Broncos are going to be what most every Russell Wilson team is: dynamic and intimidating for the first half of the season before collapsing the last month and a half.

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16446552)

So you have more faith in an unproven Chargers and Donkeys team than you do in the team that has hosted 4 straight AFC title games. Got it.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16446555)

A Chargers team that, without fail, underperforms every year. Let's not forget that.

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16446602)

Lol wut

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16446719)

This thread brought to you by the guy that told us McDuffie wasn't ready because he went to 1 practice and didn't like what he saw in 1 on 1s.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16446859)

How shocking to see a Direckshun thread where he proclaims that nearl everyone is wrong but him.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446934)

Necessary Disclaimers #2 and #3 in the OP.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446923)

I have a ton of faith in the Chargers, yes. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with what I said about the Broncos. Are you lying, seriously? It's a football message board. Get your act together.

As for the Chargers, where are we vastly superior to them, exactly? Herbert is fantastic, though he's not Mahomes he gets you most of the way there. Their run game and weapons are superior to ours. Their DL and secondary are superior.

We've got them at QB, we crush them at LB, and we've got a solid advantage at OL. This is a team that played us straight up last year and got better, albeit entirely on a short-term basis.

I think if you're going to build a team that has to beat the Chiefs, it looks an awful lot like this Chargers team.

Originally Posted by Willie Lanier (Post 16446957)

Do you know who posts multiple disclaimers on public message boards?

People absolutely no better than the media hypocrites they're describing...

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16446960)

Why are their weapons better than the Chiefs? KC has the best TE to ever put on a pair of cleats and a stable of capable WRs. KC also has the best offensive mind in the game in coach Reid.

You really are a soft bitch almost all the time. Sack up, dipshit, Mahomes and Co. are on a mission.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16446923)

I have a ton of faith in the Chargers, yes. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with what I said about the Broncos. Are you lying, seriously? It's a football message board. Get your act together.

As for the Chargers, where are we vastly superior to them, exactly? Herbert is fantastic, though he's not Mahomes he gets you most of the way there. Their run game and weapons are superior to ours. Their DL and secondary are superior.

We've got them at QB, we crush them at LB, and we've got a solid advantage at OL. This is a team that played us straight up last year and got better, albeit entirely on a short-term basis.

I think if you're going to build a team that has to beat the Chiefs, it looks an awful lot like this Chargers team.

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16447003)

Experience, consistency, and as already mentioned, coaching, and probably leadership.

FFS, Herbert's never even won more than 9 games in a season, much less played in a playoff game or won a playoff game, or won a really tough playoff game.

I'm sure you remember the Chiefs being shutout at home in their first AFCCG in decades, or being down 24-0 the following postseason... the Chargers haven't even gotten to the point of shitting down their leg in the first quarter of postseason game (besides losing to the Raiders last season).... not sure why anyone would have a ton of faith in them until they actually prove they aren't just the Ravens or Titans or another one of these pretenders (and I know you didn't specifically mention the playoffs, but I'm just assuming you don't have a "ton of faith" that they would win 13 games and then immediately flame out).

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16447013)

I've joined the chorus for years that the Chargers are overhyped and will never be as good as the talent on that team suggests it should be.

But I've left the chorus this year, perhaps to my peril. I just can't look at this Chargers roster and say "this team is going to flame out." I think they're a top 3 team in the NFL with the talent on this roster.

Honestly I felt they had a better squad than us last year, and we eked out a win from them by simply having the best players in the world make some of the best plays we've ever seen. Mahomes has done that a couple times to them. He has a bottomless magician's hat.

I just... I think this is the year it clicks for the Chargers. They have a great passrush, a great secondary, a great quarterback, great skill positions, and they're solid everywhere else (except linebacker). And I like Staley's coaching, though clearly it is not on Reid's level.

They have everything I think it takes to be an amazing football team and a Super Bowl contender (except experience). I simply can't look at all of these factors and say it's going to all collapse again for them somehow. It feels unreasonable to conclude that.

We also all believe in Mahomes, but the things you need to beat him are almost all there for the Chargers. The only thing they really lack to beat him are a clock-chewing run game, but they go for it on 4th so much they may be able to supplement that.

I want to stress that this is the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs, and even with my concerns, I love that duo so much they deserve a 50% expectation to reach the AFCCG.

And to add to that, I don't know how to feel about the Chargers in the playoffs yet. I think the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals have that pedigree, but the Chargers haven't proven it yet. But they have everything you need to do a ton of damage in the regular season, including to us.

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16447013)

I've joined the chorus for years that the Chargers are overhyped and will never be as good as the talent on that team suggests it should be.

But I've left the chorus this year, perhaps to my peril. I just can't look at this Chargers roster and say "this team is going to flame out." I think they're a top 3 team in the NFL with the talent on this roster.

Honestly I felt they had a better squad than us last year, and we eked out a win from them by simply having the best players in the world make some of the best plays we've ever seen. Mahomes has done that a couple times to them. He has a bottomless magician's hat.

I just... I think this is the year it clicks for the Chargers. They have a great passrush, a great secondary, a great quarterback, great skill positions, and they're solid everywhere else (except linebacker). And I like Staley's coaching, though clearly it is not on Reid's level.

They have everything I think it takes to be an amazing football team and a Super Bowl contender (except experience). I simply can't look at all of these factors and say it's going to all collapse again for them somehow. It feels unreasonable to conclude that.

We also all believe in Mahomes, but the things you need to beat him are almost all there for the Chargers. The only thing they really lack to beat him are a clock-chewing run game, but they go for it on 4th so much they may be able to supplement that.

I want to stress that this is the Reid-Mahomes Chiefs, and even with my concerns, I love that duo so much they deserve a 50% expectation to reach the AFCCG.

And to add to that, I don't know how to feel about the Chargers in the playoffs yet. I think the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals have that pedigree, but the Chargers haven't proven it yet. But they have everything you need to do a ton of damage in the regular season, including to us.

Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic (Post 16447077)

You can’t seriously be impressed with the Chargers coaching. Staley is the one that is holding them back. He single handily lost the game for the Chargers against us with his dumbass 4th down or bust mentality.

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 16447092)

We kind of handed them the first game last year. 4 turnovers to none. And an ending that included a very questionable officiating decision that had a huge impct on the final result.

That being said, I agree that the Bolts have a legit team. The next 8 days go a long ways to how the West might play out. We need a good start at Arizona. And follow that up by defending home turf on Thursday night vs the Chargers.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16447183)

I do agree that the Chargers are very formidable on paper.

But they're starting the year without Jc Jackson apparently for 2 division games.

They could very easily be 0-2 by next Friday with 2 division losses.