The fact the animated series laid the groundwork for them to Days of Futures Past the sequel trilogy makes that my head canon for what happens to the sequels until proven otherwise.

Imagine having Thrawn and the original cast in your hands and fumbling the ball at the one yard line while doing a celebration. Jesus, Disney. They have other problems, though. Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac have all said they never want to return to the franchise. So not only did they create three refried ass movies, they also alienated their main stars in the process - something the prequels and George never, ever did.

So does Disney actually want to build up to three awful movies they can’t actually build from in the future? Time will tell.

By a large margin.

It somewhat pisses me off that they are capable of greatness on this level, yet have given us so much dross.

Yet, I am thankful for this series.

It's the writing, direction, and cinematography we all expected from Kenobi. But Disney in their infinite wisdom opted to put the top brass from Trolls: The Beat Goes On on that writing staff instead.

They were the stars of the movies that completed the ruination of Star Wars. So, unless they get offered an insane amount of money (and maybe even then), why would they want to return to that?

Wrong. Mandalorian still sits at the top of the TV hill.

Rogue One once it gets to Scarif is the best "Star Wars" ever put on film.

First 7 episodes of Andor > First 7 Episodes of Mando

Mando is great - but Andor with it's tight plotting, world building of the empire, Game of Thrones and House of Cards quality small council/political intrigue, is building up an immersive world that could set a new standard for Star Wars. It's not only the writing - the acting (remember how wooden acting was just a requirement for Star Wars?) is incredible - even down to the bit parts, and so far all of Andor has been done with complete and utter respect for the overall canon.

That isn't a criticism of Mando. Mando was super important. It reignited Star Wars for a new generation. My students LOVE Star Wars now at a level that the sequel trilogy did not even touch. It created the magic of Star Wars at the level that the original trilogy once did and was huge for a franchise that had lost its way in the sequel trilogy. However, it's monster of the week (where in the world is Grogu?) style in Season 1 just isn't at the level (nor does it try to be) as Andor is right now. That is okay.

However, Andor still has to stick the landing. Episode 6 was the first test, imo, and they nailed it. But, as hard as it is to create an immersive and compelling universe, it's just as hard to stick the landing. Mando absolutely did in Season 2, we'll see if Andor can pull it off, too.

Apples and oranges.

I don't enjoy Andor as much as Mando.

I appreciate Andor more because it gives us something we haven't ever had.

My main concern with Andor is it is TOO slow, because it's only supposed to be two seasons? We could get 4-5 seasons out of this easy.

A very fair concern, imo. Why limit the overall reach of this show? Even a third season would make me feel a lot better.

As far as Mando vs Andor, I’d be surprised if Andor has a moment that tops the sheer elation of badass green saber Luke appearing and decimating his way to Grogu - but part of what makes Andor new territory is that it isn’t relying on traditional Star Wars tropes to tell its story (Skywalkers, Jedi, Tatooine, etc).

But as for your apples and oranges comment - what is Chiefsplanet without hot takes? Chiefsplanet threads are built on burst!

We are getting the equivalent of 3 seasons because it is 12 episode seasons.

Andor is doing things the way it used to be done. No jumping around for quick payback BS for short attention span mopes. Character building and real arc being created. it is fantastic. Easily my favorite Star Wars series thus far, and I love Mando.

Another quality episode.



This series is way way better than anything yet in the Star Wars Universe.

^^ agree!

"Aww, we're going to be smelling that all night!"

Brutal

the prison...****ing fascinating

we're getting to explore a side of star wars we've never seen

guess the death star was pretty lax on their prisons LMAO

that prison seems like it's unbreakable, BUT based on the hand signals across the chasm between the lines of prisoners, there's going to be a riot or something that presents an opportunity

i'm also gonna guess one of the imps fries on that floor before cassian takes his blaster/prod

What are the prisoners building in there?

Looked like TIE fighter wing parts, the spokes lead me to this idea.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/Xbr...ghter_wing.jpg

A big chunk of the security system is based on bare feet. Huge weakness.

yes, but then there's the implant that literally brings you to your knees, and then there's the fact they're in the ****ing water with whirpools around the prison LMAO

he's gonna have to fly outta there, unless they have a submersible

I don't think that was an implant, it was the floor. The guards weren't affected by it because they were wearing those special shoes.

OH! Well, yes, that is a security flaw then. LMAO

Go back and watch the part where they first entered the prison. They put a lot of visual emphasis on the feet of the prisoners and the guards. They make it really obvious.

Kids of the late 70s / 80s owned those too, Moonboots.

https://di2ponv0v5otw.cloudfront.net...bcaddf2023.jpg

Why only two seasons?

Since these seem to run in three episode arcs, I'm going to hold off and watch the last one and the next one on Wednesday.

Loving this show. It also feels like it has more budget than Mando and Boba

hope everyone has watched the tales of the jedi shorts...they are amazing and flesh out the end of the phantom menace and attack of the clones big time

Watched them over the weekend, & I agree they were very good.

I really like Count Dooku. I imagine I'd be a lot like him if I was a Jedi...fed up with all of the BS and assholes

Three episodes in. It's good, but still maintains this strange sterile feeling I get from watching The Mandalorian. I assume it's going to get much better.

Stick with it, its much better than The Mandalorian IMO.

Another boss episode. Watching the old guy deteriorate was excruciating,

The tension in this is fantastic, a true vision of a dystopian nightmare.

The one thing that has me preferring Mandalorian to Andor is that, while Andor is almost certainly a 'better' show - I really have to pay attention to it.

I can sorta watch The Mandalorian while I'm doing something else; making dinner or catching up on sports news here or there. I can have it on without intently watching it and not lose track of anything.

With Andor, I find myself having to read recaps fairly frequently to get myself back up to speed on stuff I didn't pick up in real time.

Again - that doesn't make Andor worse; it probably makes it better. It just makes me prefer Mandalorian to it because it's less involved viewing.

I'm the same way. In fact, I've turned on the closed captioning because I've been missing key details in conversations. I'm not able to multitask by listening while checking sports score on my iPad.

I agree 100%.

This is higher quality, but the Mandalorian is also just more fun and enjoyable.

They're both great though, and in the same category as the original trilogy and Rogue One.

It depends on the mood I'm in. I am enjoying this I think as much as Mando, but you're right it is an intense watch.

I do hope they continue to churn out this type of content. I posted before that this is the first production in Star Wars history that isn't at some level made with kids in mind.

And it's ****ing heavy. And ****ing bleak.

I hope it doesn't turn people off and the suits shy away from future stuff.

i love this show just for the camera shot when she put the torture headphones on, cutting away to the floor outside the room as a booted imp walked by LMAO

DIRECTLY out of A New Hope when Princess Leia gets the mind probe

Mando is way more fun. This is way too slow and developing its story too slow. Why do we have to spend 1/4 of a season about workings of a prison?

They are wasting time. When we get to the end, it’ll be rushed. Aka GoT.

It is well made. That has a value into itself. I enjoy watching well made TV because it’s so rare to see these days.

It isn't wasted time at all to me. It is taking the time to depict the actual impact of the Empire on regular citizens and the genesis of the Rebellion (as well as Andor's motivation for joining it).

Now this show isn't exactly what I would describe "Star Wars" traditionally but there is room for this kind of depiction too in the SW universe.

Yeah these were excellent, particularly for giving more depth to Dooku.

Yeah. I noticed. She’s been in a ton of stuff

I disagree. Showing the Empire's sausage making is fascinating.

The earlier vignettes in the show moved in a similarly slow fashion, and the conclusion of each was quite good.

I'd rather die trying to take them down than die giving them what they want. That is good shit.

Its just a cheap change from what Francis Scott Key Heard from General George Washington " American Christian apart from all other people in the world is he will die on his feet before he will live on his knees."

WOW

Yeah, that was good shit.

**** me. That makes me of all people want to get up and fight the man.

Well done.

And for ****s sake, I could listen to Stellan Skarsgard read the phone book and be compelled. My god man.

And **** Andy Serkis was good. This shit is fire.

I didn't really know him before this series. But, holy shit if he isn't an incredible actor. Especially the way he's essentially playing 2 different parts with his secret identity.

You don't know Stellan Skarsgard? He's good in everything I've ever done, but you have to have seen him in the MCU.

But if you haven't seen Chernobyl, do it now. Right now. It is fantastic. And I think you would dig it.

He's also really ****ing good in Good Will Hunting, which I'm sure you've seen.

But yeah, he's awesome in this. I was skeptical that his character would be compelling early on because he was pretty much a dick, and that's not interesting, but damn he lights up the screen.

Wow, yeah I have seen both of those, and didn't realize that's who he was. LOL, I feel pretty dumb now. Looking at his imdb list, he's been in a ton of stuff I've seen but just didn't recognize.

LOL It happens. I'm weird about it. I look up a ton of shit. Somehow it is an itch that I need to scratch. Especially if I don't know how I watched movies before IMDB.

I agree on both - although oddly I didn't think Rogue One was that good the first time - but after many re-watches - it's the best or very close to the top.

That episode was one of the best Star Wars-related pieces of content ever made.

Incredible

Finally, a mature grounded Star Wars piece of media. I'm all caught up and it's fantastic.

Amazing episode.

Serkis was such a pleasant surprise in this series.

He's just so goddamn good at this...

If that wasn't the best speech in Star Wars cannon....**** it, it WAS. That guy is remarkable.

Really?

I mean he was hilariously underused in a Wolfgang Puck boiling hot dogs sort of way in the Marvel movies.

But in Midnight in Chernobyl, he was a force. He was really good in one of those Dan Brown movies (I think the second one; it had Ewan McGregor as well, IIRC) - Commander of the Swiss Guard and very typical 'weighty' performance from him.

And you'd probably never pick it up because he was much younger, but he was Tupolev in Hunt for Red October. "We're going to kill a friend, Yvgeni; We're going to kill Ramius..."

I don't know how dynamic an actor he is - but in roles that require real gravitas, he is a slam dunk pick.

Oh, and a reminder fellas - none of this matters.

Diego Luna lives. He helps get the plans. Then he dies. Then the rebels blow up the death star. Then the empire is replaced by another Empire just like 'em but with an Emo Darth while all your heroes live hollow, tragic existences (before they ALSO die in wholly unfulfilling ways) and then some random Mary Sue shows up and saves the day.

Fuuuuuuuck Yooooooouuuuuu Disney. And Rian Johnson/Kathleen Kennedy in particular.

Ugh.

:facepalm:

Why'd you have to remind us?

They should just pretend the newest trilogy doesn't exist. Stick with what's working and go from there. Build on their successes and reboot the future within the universe.

Well hell. That right there just killed my appetite for Star Wars stuff for like the next ten years. Talk about a spoiler, yeesh:spock:

This here. Nothing else matters, because they already killed Star Wars. Everything now is just taking money from the rubes.

You couldn't have done a better job strangling the life out of a franchise on purpose. And it became apparent how little this bothers them when they half-assed Obi-Wan.

At this point you just have to watch it as stand-along entertainment (which Andor delivers) because the throughput is just completely irrelevant. The franchise is a burnt out husk; a boring old brown dwarf star that should've been a supernova.

Give it about a decade and someone will have the balls to try it, imho.


And yeah, the Skywalker Saga ends with a wisp of a fart from Super Saiyan Mary Sue-Ku, but I will happily support efforts like this just from quality alone if nothing else. Adult Star Wars >>> Kidtastic Lightsaber/Mega Space Battle Star Wars (even if I do love both).

They've bungled out a giant portion of the potential of the show. However, I try to enjoy the bits that work and disregard the ones that don't. I'm not really sure how I'm getting that done. Maybe it's because I've been able to keep out some of the cheese all the way back to the 70s.

Even as much as they didn't give a shit about Obi Wan, there were some compelling moments, because Ewan is really good. To throw the whole series away in your mind is to lose the good parts. And I think we're all invested enough to not lose the good parts.

Same with Andor, we know where it's going, but that's not to say we can't appreciate the minutia and good performances.

Wow. The Hunt for Red October one blows my mind. Thanks.

**** that. The sequel trilogy does not exist in the real Star Wars universe. That is in some dystopian alternate universe KK shat out.

I feel ****ing terrible for andy's character LMAO

that speech was ****ing badass, and i loved the setting...i'm hoping we see Dodonna, Rieekan or Crix Madine in this, they were all imperial defectors

skarsgard is all over the place

https://dunenewsnet.com/wp-content/u...m-1024x484.jpg

if you want to see his most ****ed up role, watch nymphomaniac

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Skarsgard was pretty ****ing crazy in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

When I first saw Stephen Skarsgard’s casting news I had the incredibly foolish take that there was a good chance they’d waste his talents like Marvel did. Like putting Patrick Mahomes on an arena football team.

But my goodness did the writers deliver an iconic scene that Skarsgard lifted into one of the greatest Star Wars moments in the franchise’s history. In one scene was he able to crystallize the entire rebellion that made Star Wars a cultural revelation in the 1970’s.

That episode was the first piece of Star Wars media I have seen that surpassed Empire Strikes Back.

Agrees that they crafted a scene worthy of a top shelf actor and let him do his thing.

And from our history books we know what he said was true. Most of the leaders of rebellions never think they will see their oppressor's overthrown and will die before they achieve victory.

Disagree on the best, Still think Rogue one, once the 2rd act starts and they get to Scariff, is the best "Star Wars" ever put on film.

Imagine a world where Disney had the guts to make a sequel trilogy with the gravitas of Andor.

I thought they were developing Kenobi to do just that. Hell, the opportunity was there on a silver platter.

But instead they hired a writer for 1/3rd of their episodes that was the showrunner on Trolls: The Beat Goes On.

In contrast, Andor hired the writer who was the showrunner for House of Cards and one of my favorite political dramas ever, The Ides of March.

And yeah, you can tell the difference.

I won't argue against Rogue One, especially that this is now enriching that release.

WHHAAAAAAT?


The Prison episodes were fantastic.

Gilroy is really F'ing good.

If you're interested, The Watch podcast had him on and it was really fascinating to listen to him talk (casually) about what it took to get the thing made.

Found the Gilroy Interview

https://www.theringer.com/2022/9/21/...en-waiting-for

Apparently they did another one with him after E10. I haven't listened to it yet. But I will. You and I should listen because it is interesting. Everybody in the industry should listen because they can learn shit. He's very good at what he does.

https://www.theringer.com/2022/11/9/...dor-episode-10