The odd thing about Johnson and Karlaftis is you would definitely think Johnson has more ceiling, but at the same time, he’ll be 24 year old rookie, while Karlaftis just turned 21.

I think that was more of a factor than we realize, and Veach took a lot of young guys in a draft full of old ones.

James Jones said Skyy Moore will be rookie of the year

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3a47355f6e.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Not sure I agree with that. Losing Tyreek is a huge hit to the overall talent level of this team. I think this might be the deepest team we’ve had in a while though. The only position that lacks depth is the DL.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6. Chiefs<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> Average = 8.68<br>Highest RAS Leon Chenal 9.99<br>Lowest RAS Darian Kinnard 5.32 <a href="https://t.co/X86qS9YDD0">pic.twitter.com/X86qS9YDD0</a></p>&mdash; Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1520545082302152704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


RAS is kinda silly, but the Chiefs draft class was the 6th highest. Skyy Moore’s height and Kinnard were the only things holding us down a bit.

I would have liked to addressed the de more but hard to complain. Lots of great tacklers. But edge was my focus in this draft. I love the value of skyy where we got him and with a trade back. His route running & hands are gonna help him contribute immediately.

I think if you could have gotten Drake Jackson at 62 over Cook….it would be an easy A+.

And I like Cook and can see why they took him.

Yeah they couldn't have thought the Chiefs were going to take a CB. I'd love to be in their war room when we took McDuffie.

Creed had the highest RAS ever for a center.

B.

I hated the McDuffie pick for a few reasons.

1) Jermaine Johnson was there. He's the best pass rusher in the draft IMO and a legit top 10 type pick. Elite Pass rushers are harder to find than CBs, and you rarely have a chance to nab the best one.

2) Veach and the coaching staff have shown they don't need the best corners to have a good pass defense. Instead, they find diamonds with late-round picks or trades and make coach them up.

3) it forces you to make a less than desirable decision at 30...

I was not a fan of Karlaftis either. They could have drafted their DE at 21 and went Booth or Elam (probably would have been there) if they wanted CB, Daxton Hill/Pitrie if they wanted S, Logan Hall/Ebiketie/Mafe/Paschal Ojabo if they wanted to double up on DE, Watson/etc if they wanted WR or even traded back a few spots because there were takers allegedly.

I'm not a fan of Skyy Moore when they could have had Pickens or Pierce at 50 who I like a heckuva lot better. They still have a major hole at WR that they will need to fill in 23 (they need a #1). Moore to me is a nice complementary WR.

I'm not a fan of the Cook pick either, especially with Nik Bonitto going 2 picks later. The Chiefs still need a pure pass rusher and Bonitto is one of the best ones in the draft. Safety is a much easier position to fill in FA IMO and not a huge need and a slight reach.


I LOVE the Leo Chenal pick. There is no way he should have been there at 103. This pick accomplishes two things. 1, it provides them a legitimate stud at the SAM position and allows Gay to play the weak side, which he's a better fit IMO. The potential from blitz packages gets me excited. Also, this provides a backup to Bolten at MLB and maybe quietly a better prospect athletically at the position.

I like the Joshua Williams pick because this is what I look for in a typical veach/spags CB draft pick. He will likely become a good player in the Chiefs defense.

I love the Kinnard pick. He's going to be the RT at some point maybe even this season. Not sure how he fell this far but he's the best OT in the SEC with 3 elite seasons. Admittedly, I wanted Zyon McCollum CB with this pick.


I'm intrigued by Pacheco. We desperately need a home run hitter at RB.

So I gave it a B. It was a good draft but I would have just went a different direction with some picks. They know best so I hope I'm wrong about Karlaftis, Moore and the players I thought the Chiefs should have got instead.

The ONLY position we didn't address in this draft is TE.

Curious how that will be addressed. Unless Veach feels we already have it. :hmmm:

A.

I think Chanel #5 could be our Micah Parsons. Spags will add him as a blitzer in the middle with CJ, which will get us the pressure we need to augment a fading Clark and a promising rookie. Look at the kid's ease at getting sacks as a SAM LB, as well as being a stout run stuffer.

I do think we paid a high price to trade up to #21, but I am certain BUF would have taken McDuffie, so I'm okay with it. We got great value at positions of great need and we still have cap space to sign a free agent or two.

I liked the draft. What's interesting to me is that pre-draft I think you could have split CP v roughly between those who thought we desperately needed multiple WRs and those who thought we needed multiple DL guys...and we kinda got neither and everyone seems pretty happy. A.lot of people who've been saying "don't invest at CB, there's no value" now seem ecstatic that we've done just that.

Personally I quite like the build from the back approach, i just didn't see that being a Spags approach. His scheme seems to thrive on pressure up front. I'm thinking Chenal is going to be involved a LOT here.

There's definitely picks i like more than others, roughly


- McDuffie I like, surprised he's a Spags guy but he's excellent either way
- Karlaftis I wasn't high on but great value at 30
- Moore I like, might not have a high ceiling but should be a good slot receiver from day 1 at worst
- Cook. Not a fan of the pick. Good player but i preferred Cross and Kerby Joseph. Also gutted to not get Travis Jones there.
- Chenal. I wasn't keen on a LB here and I wanted a coverage guy, but i like him a lot and i can see the logic with the other picks.
- Kinnard. I was after a pass blocker first and foremost but I love the value
- Williams. Might not have double dipped and I don't know much about him, but looks promising.
- Watson, Pacheco etc. Others i still wanted more but who cares at this point.

I was sold after the 2nd day. Best draft we've had in years.

I know I'm just a guy, but I think our fanbase has been big homers during this draft. I love a lot of what they did on days 2 and 3. I think the Karlaftis pick just holds this whole thing back for me. I gotta go with a B.

TE should be fine. Gray and Fortson both are as good as anyone that we could have grabbed in this draft. Wasn't a great draft for TE. Fortson was looking good until he went down and Gray showed flashes. Looking forward to what they do this season.

I like the draft and would score it higher than B, and I also think outside of CP a lot of pundits have scored it highly too. But...you're not wrong, there's lots of homers.

Our DT position resembles our WR position last year. We have Jones and JAGs, that's it. This draft was clearly weak at that position outside of some good ones from GA in the first. But DT is not a premium position so we'll be fine. Our young stud LB core will cover a lot of blemishes there.

A


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Can we say Superbowl...

Veach had to nail it and he did. Similar feeling to the 2008 draft after the Allen trade, only this time the Chiefs are in a much better position to integrate and develop these guys.

Solid A

Who would you have picked at 30 instead of the Greek Freak? Just curious?

Solid B. I think Pickens (or even Tolbert) would have been the better choice long term - now we'll never know.

If they use Chenal in a Micah Parsons role as IowaHawkeyeChiefs suggests, then B+.

I found the one guy who doesn't like the Chenal pick.

It’ll be an A when you guys are eating crow on Moore :D

Moore could end up being great, won't change my mind that Pickens could have been better.

Really, really like the rest of the picks.

I don’t agree that we will never know who was the better pick.

It’s entirely possible that one guy is clearly better than the other after their rookie deals. One could be an outright bust.

Also, I preferred Pickens as well, but like I was trying to tell people, Moore was always going to be the “fit” in that tier.

I’m kind of glad we didn’t draft Pickens. I wasn’t super high on him like some others were.

I WAS hoping that Metchie would fall to us but I also didn’t see him going before 50. ****ing Texans.

It's impossible to know how Pickens would have done here. You can't base what these guys do on other teams as a stone cold lock they would perform better/same/worse here.

Especially when one of these guys has the best QB in the game delivering him the ball, while the other has Mitchell ****ing Trubisky.

Marcus Peters was a great corner until he would meltdown on the field and do stupid shit.

That's Pickens.

Put some respect on Kenny Pickett’s name!

Disagree. See Terry McLaurin and Mecole Hardman. If one is clearly better than the other, that won’t matter.

Gross.

I caught hell for saying Veach needed to pick up 4-5 starters in this draft. McDuffie, Karlaftis and Moore are day 1 starters. Cook and Chenal are going to have every opportunity to start very early in their career at strong safety and Sam respectively. Hoping we found some diamonds in the rough with the day 3 guys. A+ draft as far as I'm concerned.

How many starters are we going to have on defense that are on rookie contracts?

Karlaftis
Gay
Bolton
Chenal?
McDuffie
Fenton
Sneed
Cook?
Thornhill

Jermaine Johnson at 21 and Lewis Cine at 30.

Or McDuffie at 21, Lewis Cine at 30, and Nik Bonito/Nakobe Dean/Cameron Thomas at 62

Sent from my GM1915 using Tapatalk

That's so funny... Karlaftis is the glue for the whole draft for me.

having a DE who can and WILL be starting from day 1 is what made not going after Day 2 and 3 pass rushers okay.

And I still think we sign a veteran.

Huge

That's how you stay at the top of the heap even after you pay a franchise QB. Likely 60% of the o-line too.

The funny part is that the CB the Bills took in the 6th might be better than the one they took in the 1st. Not even joking.

Ok but your option 1 doesn't give you a starting corner. Option 2 gives you a DE that anyone, even Karlaftis critics would agree is a lesser player, with less upside. Or: no DE at all and instead, a LB or LB/rushbacker.

No I think I'll take Veach's picks and see how it plays out

And imagine how much better that Mahomes deal will look in 2-3 years, since we didn’t panic and restructure.

On initial reaction, I'll give it an A-.

I have been a big fan of Karlaftis paired with a DB in the first round for a while, and they pulled that off (though in reverse order of what I expected).

I really like the Skyy Moore + Darrian Kennard combination for #50. That's great value, even though Moore was not my favorite option. I hadn't thought about the possibility of Kenard starting, which makes this even juicier, until hearing things yesterday/today.

I would have liked to see another DE in place of ONE of Cook/Chenal. There were guys in that range that would have made sense. Even though I really like Cook, those feel a bit more like luxury picks to me. I need to see the plan for these two.

I love the swings on DB athleticism and size at the end of the draft. Really good stuff there.

IMO and per most rankings, Chenal was a steal where we got him. Cook was a bit of a reach.

I really like Cook too, but I wonder if we could’ve traded down a few spots there and picked up another 5th or 6th. I guess some other team has to want to move up there, but that would make me feel a lot better about it.

Cook’s role will be a bit limited, so hopefully he makes the Sorensen big plays without the Sorensen bad plays. If so, it’s a good pick.

If the Chiefs scouts and Bert see it on film you have to trust they know what they're doing.

I'm just going with B; they traded with the Patriots which has been bad news for the Chiefs in the past.

I didn't expect them to replace Tyreek and from where they were in the draft, didn't really have the capital to move up.

They just signed Justyn Ross A+++ for me

LMAO :facepalm:

**** OFFICIAL Chiefs 2022 Draft Grade Thread ****
 

Kiper not a fan of the Chiefs draft.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...3ae9ec2c28.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Kiper’s entire reasoning for giving us a B is that we didn’t go WR earlier.

Literally Andy and Bill have traded picks every year going back from his days in Philly, I've said it before the Pats trade was made that would be our trade partner. So one way or another i think the trades have worked out well considering we have the most wins in the last 5 years and a Super Bowl Lombardi. I want to know what bad news it was for Chiefs in the past?

What a tool.

Does anyone really care what Dark Helmet thinks?

He gave us a C+ for drafting Mahomes so that's really all you need to say

A²+

Let's see...

Matt Cassell? Scott Pioli?

While our recent trades haven't been as bad, I have a hard time believing we are getting the better end of the deal.

A+++ Draft Grade.

Trading back 4 slots and getting Skyy and then an extra 5th where we drafted a Beast for Right Tackle was brilliant.

I think the Chiefs were as tired of seeing the defense miss tackles as the fans were. We drafted some heavy hitters.

We have 9 Tight Ends right now and will only carry 4 max. We only use Kelce to catch passes and Bell to block.

So 9 guys for basically 2 legit spots.

You’re a ****ing idiot

I think I'm nearly in lock-step with you, just a slight bit more agitated by the 2nd round than you are.

So I was at B/B+

And while I think I like the trade-up for McDuffie, I still have some concerns there. I mean....McDuffie really does have T-Rex arms. And for all the bright line rules people like to throw around, dudes with arms like his just don't typically succeed at this level. And we could've grabbed someone like Myjai Sanders with that pick at 93. 125 could've been Ezukanma or Austin

Kyler Gordon/George Karlaftis/Myjai Sanders/Erik Ezukanma - That's looks awfully good to me.

But man, some of his tape looks so good. I can't recall seeing many guys who can mirror a route like he does. That ability to stay in a guys hip on one of those comeback routes is so rare but he gears down and then changes direction so so well.

But yeah, you said most of what I would say. A couple of luxury picks (though like I said, I loved the Chenal pick) and I think too much emphasis on floor over ceiling across the board to go with too much confidence in a DL that still looks like a big ol' pile of smashed assholes.

It's a good draft - and it SHOULD be given the capital we brought in. But there were some rough edges to it, IMO, so I wouldn't go all the way to an A.

On paper, this is my favorite draft in 20+ years. This team is trying to build an identity that combines offensive skill and big play ability with physicality and nastiness and every player fits that bill. The defensive and trench guys are just monsters. Should be a blast to watch once guys get their feet wet. This LB group is special.

I can’t put it ahead of the ‘08 draft yet.

Dorsey, Albert, flowers, Charles and Carr is a MONSTER haul. Even that puss a Barry Richardson had a productive season and I think Cottam would have been decent if he didn’t have the neck injury.

And of course the elation of the Mahomes pick will likely never be topped.

Think I agree with most of this but I'd have gone with different options at the Cook pick. I'd have been very happy with T. Jones.

I actually quite liked the emphasis on floor in the earlier rounds and ceiling in the latter. It's definitely possible this ends with McDuffie's micro arms being a huge hindrance alongside Karlaftis' lack of bend. But their production had been so high you have to hope ar least one of them makes it. I'd be far less confident that someone like Mafe adds immediate value.

Moore wasn’t my top choice, but the more I’ve read, the more it makes sense.

I think just about every pick has solid potential. I could even see Pacheco having a nice career in our offense.

To me, Cook and Chenal are great picks. I could see one or even both starting soon. I can envision Chenal crushing Allen when he takes off on a designed run.